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Ero-Senn1n · 2011-10-05, 17:20

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Originally Posted by felix

Yeah but remember that chunin or whatever exam and how it was way harder then this. And now, supposedly, she's one tier above that too and did tons of missions. So, age aside, this was kind of weak plot wise...

I blame the pig.

What was harder at the chuunin exams? She never faced such a situation where she has to let an injured person die because it's safer that way. The hard thing is to risk your life, knowing that this can be a trap, but she couldn't just stand there and possibly let die someone. What would you have done? Stand there and watch him bleed out? Sure that way you would find out if it was a Zetsu clone or an ally. The easy thing is to just let him die, but heroes don't do that

felix · 2011-10-05, 17:53

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Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

What would you have done?

Threw a bandage and asked him to suck it up.

Seriously though...

Probably just ordered the guys next to me to attack them since (a) he has no blood on him, which (assuming he's near death) leaves only option (b) he has some borken something, begging the question why the hell did she move him?

Besides even if it was plausible they were legit, just letting them in is stupid. Just throw them a rope with a knot and tell the girl to tighten it as a sort of handcufs on him. Or since we're in the narutouniverse, throw them some explosive tags and tell them to stick them on their stupid face.

And if that's not option, just make a damn clone of yourself and go help them! LOL

(god knows there are 10 other things they could have done other then stare there like idiots)

Ero-Senn1n · 2011-10-05, 18:06

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Originally Posted by felix

Threw a bandage and asked him to suck it up.

Seriously though...

Probably just ordered the guys next to me to attack them since (a) he has no blood on him, which (assuming he's near death) leaves only option (b) he has some borken something, begging the question why the hell did she move him?

Besides even if it was plausible they were legit, just letting them in is stupid. Just throw them a rope with a knot and tell the girl to tighten it as a sort of handcufs on him. Or since we're in the narutouniverse, throw them some explosive tags and tell them to stick them on their stupid face.

And if that's not option, just make a damn clone of yourself and go help them! LOL

(god knows there are 10 other things they could have done other then stare there like idiots)

Instead of doing some kind of House-level medical examination of the situation maybe you should just think of this the way the author wanted you to: the heroine is put into a situation where she has only a few seconds before someone who asked for her help dies, she knows that only she can save his life, she knows he might be trying to kill her, she knows she must make a decision immediately (she doesn't have time to find a 3rd solution).

Suika-Esper · 2011-10-06, 00:28

Chronologically this chapter feels like it was put into the wrong place. Shouldn't this part with the Zetsus have happened a few chapters before while it was overnight and he made the clones, then of course the next day the battle with Nagato and Itachi and then the Raikage, Muu, and the 2nd Mizukage would happen as we've seen?

I wonder what became of Black Zetsu and his battle with the Mizukage. A night has passed since that. Will he never be able to be whole again now that the original white Zetsu is burned to death?

HasuMasu · 2011-10-06, 00:59

^ Assuming the black flames of Amaterasu
are enough to kill Zetsu, which for some reason
I doubt.

yakumo-chan · 2011-10-06, 06:46

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Originally Posted by octaviahawk

whahaha, we NaruHina fans are desperate, desperate people. We will celebrate any time Hinata and Naruto share a frame together.

Also, let's just ignore the fact that Naruto rescued Sakura too...it was all a bad dream...the OTP is NaruHina...XD

hey hey hey!!
this is the first time they have the same panel again after the Pain Arc Event!!!

Hunter · 2011-10-06, 12:35

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Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

Now if he dispells the clones his original body should be multiple times stronger then the clone which did fight kages successfully.

No, Kage Bunshin are perfect copies, they are exactly as strong as the original. The only difference is the amount of chakra they possesses which in Naruto's case has become nearly meaningless since he has taken over the chakra of the Kyubi.

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Originally Posted by haegar

dunno what to make of this chap. Muu is a cool guy so it's not entirely bad he sticks around but considering Naruto should have easily "sensed" him splitting in two given his special abilities and own experience with simmilar tactics via kagebunshin the whole "mehehehe I'm still around and fooled you folks" feels kinda asspull

Naruto doesn't have incredible sensing ability in Kyubi mode, only in Sage mode. And regardless Muu has the ability to erase his presence even to sensor.

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Originally Posted by Suika-Esper

Will he never be able to be whole again now that the original white Zetsu is burned to death?

I find very doubtfull that it was the original. It's more likely that it was a spore clone.

Akashin · 2011-10-06, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Naruto doesn't have incredible sensing ability in Kyubi mode, only in Sage mode. And regardless Muu has the ability to erase his presence even to sensor.

Be that as it may, Naruto does have the ability to sense negative emotions while in Kyubi mode (hence why he's essential to weeding out the Zetsus). Whether or not that bypasses Muu's ability to erase his presence (it might, since it isn't a sensor power as such), he does have sensor-esque abilities.

Ero-Senn1n · 2011-10-06, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Akashin

Be that as it may, Naruto does have the ability to sense negative emotions while in Kyubi mode (hence why he's essential to weeding out the Zetsus). Whether or not that bypasses Muu's ability to erase his presence (it might, since it isn't a sensor power as such), he does have sensor-esque abilities.

In high speed battles when someone has to concentrate on many things, even having such sensory abilities doesn't mean that he cannot be tricked. Such an example is when in sage mode Naruto didn't sense that the chakra-absorbing Pain has been revived, he was concentrating on beating some other pains so he didn't pay attention, that's all.

The other thing is that in this case the evil guy who has to be sensed is Kabuto and not Muu, he is just being controlled by Kabuto and doesn't want anything bad to happen to the alliance (most of the zombies would kill Kabuto right away if they could, these guys might have killed many people but they were loyal to their village, and so they are mostly on the alliance's side now).

Akashin · 2011-10-06, 16:58

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Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

In high speed battles when someone has to concentrate on many things, even having such sensory abilities doesn't mean that he cannot be tricked. Such an example is when in sage mode Naruto didn't sense that the chakra-absorbing Pain has been revived, he was concentrating on beating some other pains so he didn't pay attention, that's all.

The other thing is that in this case the evil guy who has to be sensed is Kabuto and not Muu, he is just being controlled by Kabuto and doesn't want anything bad to happen to the alliance (most of the zombies would kill Kabuto right away if they could, these guys might have killed many people but they were loyal to their village, and so they are mostly on the alliance's side now).

I know all of this (and I thought of the difficulty in sensing the zombies after I finished posting); I was just arguing that Naruto does have sensor abilities beyond Sage Mode, whether it would work or not.

Nintendo · 2011-10-06, 21:10

dont give up faith NaruHina fans, when that guy hit on sakura, she told him she loved somoene and in her mind, it was sasukes image that showed up.

dont stop believin!

octaviahawk · 2011-10-06, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Nintendo

dont give up faith NaruHina fans, when that guy hit on sakura, she told him she loved somoene and in her mind, it was sasukes image that showed up.

dont stop believin!

BELIEVE IT! NARU HINA 4 EVA (whahaha

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Originally Posted by yakumo-chan

hey hey hey!!
this is the first time they have the same panel again after the Pain Arc Event!!!

Seriously, that's why I'm having a frantic fangirl moment...!

Kowai · 2011-10-07, 03:06

And don't forget muu is "the invisible man"

Anyways I found it stupid that muu couldn't remove the seal. What was the reason for that? So he can get beaten by someone later and not look bad because we can all say he was only at 50%?

Basically why can't a kage remove a paper seal. But that's like asking why bother spending x amount of time developing jutsu when exploding tags do more damage than a rasengan or chidori..

Casshern · 2011-10-07, 10:52

Omg lol the chapter is called "kabuto's trump card" and he doesn't even show what it is. He might as well have called it "Kabuto has a trump card. What could it be? Find out next time!"

felix · 2011-10-07, 11:30

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Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

Instead of doing some kind of House-level medical examination of the situation maybe you should just think of this the way the author wanted you to: the heroine is put into a situation where she has only a few seconds before someone who asked for her help dies, she knows that only she can save his life, she knows he might be trying to kill her, she knows she must make a decision immediately (she doesn't have time to find a 3rd solution).

Yes but that situation is suppose to be "business as usual" for a ninja.

I guess we both agree to disagree on this.

ridgezipline · 2011-10-07, 13:35

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Originally Posted by felix

Threw a bandage and asked him to suck it up.

Seriously though...

Probably just ordered the guys next to me to attack them since (a) he has no blood on him, which (assuming he's near death) leaves only option (b) he has some borken something, begging the question why the hell did she move him?

Besides even if it was plausible they were legit, just letting them in is stupid. Just throw them a rope with a knot and tell the girl to tighten it as a sort of handcufs on him. Or since we're in the narutouniverse, throw them some explosive tags and tell them to stick them on their stupid face.

And if that's not option, just make a damn clone of yourself and go help them! LOL

(god knows there are 10 other things they could have done other then stare there like idiots)

i go with ero-sennin on this one. sakura was backed in a corner because the 'man' could be dying anytime soon. she was a medic-nin. that was her dilemma: would she risk disobeying orders to save the man's life? or would she follow the command and let the man die? She chose the former. It turned out wrong but i think it's still a good call from sakura (given she had no idea that it was actually a zetsu and just wanted to help out)

other things:

1) you dont have to be covered with blood to be 'dying'. internal wounds/bleeding are even more fatal.

2) she moved him near the medic tent. it didn't say something was broken. even in emergency cases, people tend to either a) perform first aid on the injured and if they dont know how to, they b) go see/call a doctor or a medic

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Originally Posted by yakumo-chan

hey hey hey!!
this is the first time they have the same panel again after the Pain Arc Event!!!

uhm actually there was a panel when konoha 12 tells naruto that they are out to kill sasuke. but yes it's not as major as this one ^^

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Originally Posted by Casshern

Omg lol the chapter is called "kabuto's trump card" and he doesn't even show what it is. He might as well have called it "Kabuto has a trump card. What could it be? Find out next time!"

true that.

octaviahawk · 2011-10-07, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Casshern

Omg lol the chapter is called "kabuto's trump card" and he doesn't even show what it is. He might as well have called it "Kabuto has a trump card. What could it be? Find out next time!"

Lol, pretty freakin much!

Baragan · 2011-10-07, 15:07

Tsunade always has bad luck just like jiraya said. Thats why naruto is toast. Look at nawaki and dan they are both dead and tsunade bet on both of them being hokage.

Bonta Kun · 2011-10-07, 16:04

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Originally Posted by Baragan

Tsunade always has bad luck just like jiraya said. Thats why naruto is toast. Look at nawaki and dan they are both dead and tsunade bet on both of them being hokage.

Well you know what they say "3rd times a charm"

Shingai-san · 2011-10-09, 01:21

I want Naruto to die. Or maybe just for Madara to win. Like the Konoha 12 go underground and become a sort of freedom fighter movement. Make it much more gory and darker. A sienen. Naruto just might pick up then and be pretty badass. I would read it.

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Kowai Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SURREY Age: 34	And don't forget muu is "the invisible man" Anyways I found it stupid that muu couldn't remove the seal. What was the reason for that? So he can get beaten by someone later and not look bad because we can all say he was only at 50%? Basically why can't a kage remove a paper seal. But that's like asking why bother spending x amount of time developing jutsu when exploding tags do more damage than a rasengan or chidori.. __________________ sharingan is boring... and sasuke is a bish

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Suika-Esper Sage Mode Join Date: Sep 2008	Chronologically this chapter feels like it was put into the wrong place. Shouldn't this part with the Zetsus have happened a few chapters before while it was overnight and he made the clones, then of course the next day the battle with Nagato and Itachi and then the Raikage, Muu, and the 2nd Mizukage would happen as we've seen? I wonder what became of Black Zetsu and his battle with the Mizukage. A night has passed since that. Will he never be able to be whole again now that the original white Zetsu is burned to death?

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Casshern Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Omg lol the chapter is called "kabuto's trump card" and he doesn't even show what it is. He might as well have called it "Kabuto has a trump card. What could it be? Find out next time!"

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Baragan Member Join Date: Feb 2010	Tsunade always has bad luck just like jiraya said. Thats why naruto is toast. Look at nawaki and dan they are both dead and tsunade bet on both of them being hokage.