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View Poll Results: Spice and Wolf II - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 17 | 29.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 26.32% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 18 | 31.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 10.53% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.75% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2009-09-06, 02:48 | Link #61 | ||
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Was thinking that her surprised reaction was along the lines of "I can't believe you think I was serious about it" or "I can't believe you asked me that question". Quote:
I personally wouldn't put forward any guesses based on RL facts/experiences because of that. Also, Abe's proposal threw me off. I didn't get how it was so 'dramatic' |
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2009-09-06, 03:42 | Link #62 | |
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A pack, in the wild, is basically a breeding pair and their offspring. When they reach maturity, the kids leave to form or find their own packs. Since Horo doesn't have a pack of her own now, she probably never had a mate. |
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2009-09-06, 04:02 | Link #63 | |
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rly a matter that can lead to heated debates^^ |
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2009-09-06, 07:32 | Link #64 |
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Windows X, her being a wolf is actually an argument for her being a virgin, rather than not. I think you think of wolves pack just like of any other animal pack, while in reality wolves are much more complex. Don't mix wolves with wild dogs, wolves have a complex social system and mating is not just something that happens come the season like with wild dogs. Its much more socially restricted act than you seem to think.
As Anh_Minh stated the two leader male and female are the ones that are giving birth and mate while others take the role of hunters and nanny's. Since Horo never seemed to be a leading female and have had her own pack it is strongly implied that as a wolf she may be a virgin. It doesn't mean that as a human she is a virgin too though, since humans are much less sexually restricted than wolves after all. |
2009-09-06, 10:02 | Link #65 | |
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If it was "just an innocent game" to get Lawrence upset, then it was pretty distasteful and Lawrence called her bluff very skillfully (and even let her save face). If she sincerely wanted an answer, then she brought out "the big guns" way too early, and Lawrence would probably notice that. My guess is that she intended to get Lawrence thinking about their relationship, by getting him worked up over a topic that would clearly case him to waver. Abe seems to have been watching Lawrence and Horo since they entered town, and seems to realize that Lawrence couldn't "sell" Horo. Based on that, she's probably setting him up somehow. Lawrence just realized that he's gotten himself into trouble again (and possibly Horo as well). |
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2009-09-06, 10:04 | Link #66 | |
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2009-09-06, 10:36 | Link #67 |
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Personally, I'm more interested in the implication that she's "formed a pack" with Lawrence, because it adds a very interesting perspective to the story: does Horo treat Lawrence like her alpha mate, or more like a lower-ranking pack member (ie, the omega)? Just how much is she struggling with her wolf nature?
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2009-09-06, 16:28 | Link #69 | |
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Based on the fansubs, and the fact that she seems to have been watching Horo and Lawrence since they entered town, there are a number of possibilities.. but they are of course all conjecture. If Abe/Eva is being honest, then she has cooked up a scheme by which she can escape her situation by "selling" Horo in some clever way we'll hear about in the next episode. It's hard to believe her, however, given that she's concealed her true identity and keeps questionable company. If Abe/Eva is being dishonest, then it's quite likely she knows Lawrence won't give up Horo. That means she can easily extort Lawrence for money if she can convince him that she's serious. There are two immediate possibilities. Firstly, she has ties to the church, probably through Rigolo. It's fully possible that she knows about Horo (given how careless Horo's been acting). The other possibility is that she's thinking of selling Horo as a slave (which fits the generally dank and depressing feeling of the city). I'm not sure what to think about Rigolo or the old innkeeper yet, but neither of them seem like they are being at all genuine. If they are all working together, then I'm pretty sure Lawrence and Horo are already in trouble. They seem capable of a great deal of mischief. Poor Lawrence, though! He doesn't even have to try anymore, he just has to say hello to a couple of people and danger comes running. |
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2009-09-06, 20:57 | Link #71 | |
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2009-09-06, 21:20 | Link #72 |
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You could also read it to mean that she's worried getting too attached to him because she's already experienced that kind of loss. After all, every human she has cared about is already long dead, and she's having a tough time coping with the fact that her hometown has been destroyed. She even seems to be hesitant about forming happy memories with Lawrence, let alone admitting how much he means to her.
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2009-09-06, 22:29 | Link #73 |
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You could intrepret as that however the lack of that individual in the dream or the fact that she has never mentioned such an individual points more likely to the abscence of one. Also her breakdown a couple of episodes past also points to her having to come to terms with this idea of mortality as it seems she has always been alone.
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2009-09-06, 23:02 | Link #74 |
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I do agree, just felt like keeping the conversation alive
Horo's behavior strongly implies to me that she has little or no experience with the emotions she is facing. She gets too attached to Lawrence too quickly to seem like someone who knows how to distance themselves and avoid repeating that sort of tragedy. |
2009-09-06, 23:39 | Link #75 | |
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2009-09-07, 03:15 | Link #76 |
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i like the direction this is going, but i was afraid of getting verbally pummeled if i said "hey lawrence his most likely her first" even in episode 0 she already decided to go to lawrence instead of going to her pack so none of the wolves in her hometown was THAT important to her
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2009-09-07, 03:41 | Link #77 | |
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However don't you think its cool that we can all have a mature discussion on the internet about this? Also Horo said that Lawrence soul is her color and they havn't had sex before/yet. So even if she was teasing she probably meant significant others/soul mates. __________________________________________________ _________________________\ How about this hypothetical question. If wolf Horo has mated before and human Horo has not than would human Horo be considered a virgin? I think yes she would be. |
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2009-09-07, 08:42 | Link #78 | |
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However, she moves the conversation to sex-partners in a manner that doesn't really seem like she was "just teasing". I think Lawrence did well to let her save face the way he did. It gave her a pretty honest answer, let her off the hook, and didn't give her any real room to continue teasing her. In that case, unless you consider her wolf form and human form "completely separate beings" that doesn't really make sense to me - emotionally she would not be a virgin, no matter what form, unless she undergoes a drastic emotional and personality change during transformation (which I haven't seen any real evidence of). If you mean physically, we get into murky waters. Do female wolves even have a hymen? Can her human form "repair itself" during transformation? |
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2009-09-07, 12:11 | Link #80 |
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For crying out loud, what a shame!
If the creators of this show would have the same funds as i.e. the Suzumiya Haruhi makers, this episode could have been so much better in case of facial expressions and animation. Such important scenes lost a lot of impact (at least for me). *sigh* Otherwise great episode! PS: [sing] Like a wolf-girl.... touched for the very first time.....like a wooooooolf girl... I feel your tail wagging.... next to mine... [/sing] Last edited by FTGT; 2009-09-07 at 12:21. |
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