Bakemonogatari generic discussion

[Hypernova]

Originally Posted by Daniel E.

Well, I sure as hell don't like it when they resort to images of real people. Can't really say why, though; Just wish they'll stop using them. >_<

Regardless, I am still prety sold on the show and as pretty much everyone has already said, it is so because of the characters.

The subconscious feeling that it defeats the purpose of using animation?

[Sorrow-K]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

I love how a single episode manages to reduce even the most articulate contributors into a quivering mass of gush.

Oh man, did I really come off that way? I had a lot of trouble coming up with something new to say about this ep that hadn't already been posted in this thread, but after a while I just gave up and wrote the first thing that came to mind. Just consider this another vote of confidence for this show.

(It really is a great anime so far).

[monir]

Originally Posted by Sorrow-K

Oh man, did I really come off that way? I had a lot of trouble coming up with something new to say about this ep that hadn't already been posted in this thread, but after a while I just gave up and wrote the first thing that came to mind. Just consider this another vote of confidence for this show.

(It really is a great anime so far).

I've noticed more I like a show, the less I talk about it.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Oh wow I enjoyed this episode a lot more than the previous one, and it was great to have such a nice conclusion for Hachikuji who got promoted (lolwut? XD). But seriously, from her story onto Arararararagi finding out to the conclusion, it was done perfectly. They kept the tension throughout despite the usual gibberish overly complex usage of dialogue and it was even emotional at times...when Hachikuji found her home at last.

The other parts of the episode was done really well too. Arararagi made me laugh at the start when he beat turned into a lolicon for sure. But the finisher of the episode can only be summed up in 3 words...

Spoiler:

"I Love You"

the reason she said it in English is to avoid any misunderstandings. Considering that this show has a lot of word play, using the japanese words could be taken anyway. Using the English phrase removed any possible missunderstanding.

[qwertyman]

Originally Posted by golthin

the reason she said it in English is to avoid any misunderstandings. Considering that this show has a lot of word play, using the japanese words could be taken anyway. Using the English phrase removed any possible missunderstanding.

Hm, I was also somewhat confused by the English confession, and didn't really think about it that way.

I guess I forgot about how specific you need to be in Japanese to express "I love you", at which point saying it in English is more effective and much more succinct.

[Sephiroth_760]

Originally Posted by golthin

the reason she said it in English is to avoid any misunderstandings. Considering that this show has a lot of word play, using the japanese words could be taken anyway. Using the English phrase removed any possible missunderstanding.

yeah you've got a point
I was only thinking "why english lol" xD
but now when u mention it, saying it in japanese could cause a lot of misunderstandings ... like we see in many other animes xD

[felix]

Originally Posted by qwertyman

I guess I forgot about how specific you need to be in Japanese to express "I love you"

Like for example how would a word play on the phrasing sound like?

[Pachael]

Originally Posted by Cats

Like for example how would a word play on the phrasing sound like?

Well, whatever that is, there'd be three pages of comments and replies debating just what that meant, where as 'I love you' is fairly unambiguous

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Cats

Like for example how would a word play on the phrasing sound like?

For one thing, the most common word for love in JP is "Suki". Hence the name of this very website. But it could also mean "like" in a friendship sort of way. Then there is "Ai" which implied some romance, but that's rarely used except for deep love and developed relationships, so I don't see her using that word.

Using English is much more straight forward. Especially since from the Japanese point of view, being Straight-Forward in general is a Westerner cultural trait.

[Daniel E.]

Originally Posted by Hypernova

The subconscious feeling that it defeats the purpose of using animation?

Why yes, you could also say that I honestly believe this show needs not those things. This goes along with some of the other visuals sometimes used, like the whole "they tried to rape me scene" from a few episodes back.

I am sure there are fans of that particular style of presentation, but it just so happens that I am not one of them.

Mind you, I am still very impressed with the show. This, along with S & W 2 are my top watches of the current season.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Using English is much more straight forward. Especially since from the Japanese point of view, being Straight-Forward in general is a Westerner cultural trait.

later Senjougahara actually tells Araragi that she fell in love with him using the most formal form of horeru "惚れる". so it obvious she wants to be straight-forward. you see this word used a lot in works that deal with old time and it also a pear a lot in shows like gintama.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Mentar

I'd say she enjoys smacking others (in particular, Araragi) around with her incredible teasing power. And we're here, cheering her on (at least I am)

When somethings that easy (Senjougahara's Araragi bashing) you tend to do it a lot. However i tend to see some playfulness behind her tongue raping.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by golthin

later Senjougahara actually tells Araragi that she fell in love with him using the most formal form of horeru "惚れる". so it obvious she wants to be straight-forward. you see this word used a lot in works that deal with old time and it also a pear a lot in shows like gintama.

Apparently, the kanji 惚 could also mean "to go into your second childhood" or "to go senile" if it's used in the form, houkeru 惚ける.

So, yes, "I love you" remains the most direct and unambigious way for Senjougahara to say exactly what she means.

[zato_1one]

It's funny that Senjougahara said that in this past two years, Araragi was only one who tried to save her.

I really doubt that normal people, not former vampire like Araragi, would want to help her if she assaulted them with her favorite stapler.

[ickem]

Originally Posted by golthin

later Senjougahara actually tells Araragi that she fell in love with him using the most formal form of horeru "惚れる". so it obvious she wants to be straight-forward. you see this word used a lot in works that deal with old time and it also a pear a lot in shows like gintama.

Spoiler for spoiler from novels:

She also tells him that she loves him using 愛してる in Karen bee, although she said it after she hit him in the back of the head twenty times and kidnapped him. Of course Koyomi uses the same words later in the novel as well so there's no ambiguity in their relationship.

Originally Posted by Sinestra

When somethings that easy (Senjougahara's Araragi bashing) you tend to do it a lot. However i tend to see some playfulness behind her tongue raping.

This is actually addressed later in the series.

Spoiler for spoilers for a later arc:

Hitagi's dad tells him that she divides the people she communicates with into two groups, those that she doesn't care if she is hated by and those she doesn't have to be worried about being hated by. Her dad feels that he is part of the first group while Koyomi is part of the latter.

P.S. Koyomi also almost goes gay for Hitagi's dad so I'm looking forward to who they get to play him.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by ickem

Spoiler for spoiler from novels:

She also tells him that she loves him using 愛してる in Karen bee, although she said it after she hit him in the back of the head twenty times and kidnapped him. Of course Koyomi uses the same words later in the novel as well so there's no ambiguity in their relationship.

This is actually addressed later in the series.

Spoiler for spoilers for a later arc:

Hitagi's dad tells him that she divides the people she communicates with into two groups, those that she doesn't care if she is hated by and those she doesn't have to be worried about being hated by. Her dad feels that he is part of the first group while Koyomi is part of the latter.

P.S. Koyomi also almost goes gay for Hitagi's dad so I'm looking forward to who they get to play him.

ohhh those scenes could prove to be quite hilarious. Im deciding if i should pity him or be jealous i mean Senjougahara cant be the easiest girl in the world to date.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by ickem

Spoiler for spoilers for a later arc:

P.S. Koyomi also almost goes gay for Hitagi's dad so I'm looking forward to who they get to play him.

Ryotaro Okiayu.

C'mon SHAFT, make it happen.

[ickem]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Ryotaro Okiayu.

C'mon SHAFT, make it happen.

Actually I'm thinking more along the lines of Inoue Kazuhiko or Morikawa Toshiyuki, especially since

Spoiler for spoilers for a later arc:

Koyomi thinks how he has such a cool voice.

[Kaoru Chujo]

If anyone's interested, I've done a longish blog post on Saitou Chiwa: Senjougahara Fascination -- Saitou Chiwa in Bakemonogatari.

Originally Posted by Sinestra

...i mean Senjougahara cant be the easiest girl in the world to date.

Understatement of the year, lol.

[Oppius]

I shouldn't made this one up but...

Spoiler: