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Mad Pierrot · 2013-06-23, 14:25

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just wait. remember this is Hunter x Hunter's best arc.

Pretty much this, I mean Isayama of SnK had a great START to his Manga, but he's not a good enough writer yet to keep it going for as long as Togahshi did/does. Isayama is using carrot and stick writting to create "suspense"(i.e. Time while he figures the rest of the story out), wheras Togashi pretty much already had what he wanted to write already laid out without the need for drawn out "suspense"that Isayama of SnK needs.(but was just too lazy to draw it) There is a reason why Togashi is pretty much allowed to do whatever he wants (and take loooong Hiatuses) in JAPAN of all places, where just being late for work by a minute can get you fired (learned through experience) and he takes 2-3 years off, and can come back whenever he feels like it. and STILL make great stories (he took like 1 year hiatus in the middle of this arc, came back and finished it and made it ridiculously good)

Of course SnK is Isayamas first manga. While Togashi also did Yu Yu Hakusho. . . which is the manga that pretty much two of the big three right now have either straight blandly copied or ripped off from (Naruto, Bleach. . .especially bleach wow).

so yeah Isayama has a ways to go to live up to Togashi. . . The only guy that's close to Togashi now is Oda and Toriyama.

Really? I think Hunter X Hunter is far from living up to YuYu Hakusho's sucess. I mean the main cast is already based on YuYu's cast (Kurapica and Kurama, Hiei and Killua, Leorio and Kuwabara) although Gon feels more like Goku's lost brother. Yusuke felt more appealing though. YuYu also gave good conclusions to its arcs while the Genei Ryodan arc was very anticlimatic. Hunter X Hunter even demotes to extra more characters than YuYu too.

Student no.0 · 2013-06-23, 14:30

I really wished that I didn't watch that preview. Biscuit showing up again would've been a huge surprise for me. That's it, no more previews for me.

Kazu-kun · 2013-06-23, 14:45

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They would be stronger than neferpitou. . .but definitely not the King. Chrollo would get destroyed by the King. I mean they had to bring in Netero!

I don't think they are. I don't think even Netero's stronger than Pitou. But he doesn't need to be. This episode makes it plenty clear that raw strength isn't everything.

Hunter x Hunter isn't Dragonball. I think in this arc we'll going to see how our heroes use every possible means to win against much stronger opponents.

Upscaled · 2013-06-23, 15:15

I find Pitou to be a totally different kind of character from Hisoka or Chrollo. Pitou is a combination of wide-eyed innocence and immense power. To describe Pitou as "innocent" might seem a bit odd, since we've seen a clear willingness to kill without hesitation. What I mean is the innocence of a newborn. To Pitou, everything is new, and there seems to be an intense curiosity about how the world works. Whether reading up on how to improvise brain surgery or comparing how strong one can be against a powerful opponent, Pitou is constantly seeking new information.

Funkatron · 2013-06-23, 15:22

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I find Pitou to be a totally different kind of character from Hisoka or Chrollo. Pitou is a combination of wide-eyed innocence and immense power. To describe Pitou as "innocent" might seem a bit odd, since we've seen a clear willingness to kill without hesitation. What I mean is the innocence of a newborn. To Pitou, everything is new, and there seems to be an intense curiosity about how the world works. Whether reading up on how to improvise brain surgery or comparing how strong one can be against a powerful opponent, Pitou is constantly seeking new information.

You could say that cat is curious...

Clarste · 2013-06-23, 15:22

Pitou's a cat. There's the idea of cats "toying with their prey" that's sort of overlayed onto all of Pitou's behavior.

Not sure why some people are judging Pitou an inferior antagonist when s/he's only been in two episodes so far though.

zeniselv · 2013-06-23, 15:32

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Really? I think Hunter X Hunter is far from living up to YuYu Hakusho's sucess. I mean the main cast is already based on YuYu's cast (Kurapica and Kurama, Hiei and Killua, Leorio and Kuwabara) although Gon feels more like Goku's lost brother. Yusuke felt more appealing though. YuYu also gave good conclusions to its arcs while the Genei Ryodan arc was very anticlimatic. Hunter X Hunter even demotes to extra more characters than YuYu too.

at this point hunterx hunter has been more succesful than yu yu hakusho, the formula used for the maincast is something that has been used from a long time ans is still used today, the difference is nowadays instead of an androgynous male you get a woman, about the conclusion of the arcs, this si very subjective, but given how even togashi acknowledged he rushed a lot of the arcs specially the last one giving yu yu hakusho one of the most anticlimatic and unrewarding endings, about the "genei ryodan arc", i supose you refer to the yorkshin arc, and it might not had a satisfying conclussion because it wasn't supposed to, it served its purpose of showing us how nen works and how it can be used, along with displaying the personality, motive and morale of the characters, and it fits quite nicely in the events to follow.

Upscaled · 2013-06-23, 16:19

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Not sure why some people are judging Pitou an inferior antagonist when s/he's only been in two episodes so far though.

I don't think the comparison is fair either. Furthermore, from everything we've seen so far, including that opening animation, the main antagonist of this arc, and the equivalent to a Chrollo, hasn't even been born yet. The question is, if Pitou is such a force of nature, what are the other Royal Guards and what is the King himself going to be like?

Sugetsu · 2013-06-23, 17:16

What an amazing episode this one was.

I got 2 theories regarding Kite's fate:

A) He got really luck with his roll and the weapon he obtained allowed him to create a double while he safely escaped.

B) Kite did die but his body will be "reincarnated" as the king and he will have memories of his past life as a hunter. This would create an interesting dynamic between Gon/Killua and himself.

Student no.0 · 2013-06-23, 17:51

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B) Kite did die but his body will be "reincarnated" as the king and he will have memories of his past life as a hunter. This would create an interesting dynamic between Gon/Killua and himself.

I wonder about this. Still betting that Gyro will be the one that ends up like this. Might be a different story the King carries both of their traits. Either way we both know that they'll be preserving his head for some reason.

ChainLegacy · 2013-06-23, 18:11

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Pitou's a cat. There's the idea of cats "toying with their prey" that's sort of overlayed onto all of Pitou's behavior.

Not sure why some people are judging Pitou an inferior antagonist when s/he's only been in two episodes so far though.

I think I'm the only one who did judging. I don't like his personality. It's not interesting. But we'll see how things play out. Like I said from the start, the other guards and the king might be better.

Guardian Enzo · 2013-06-23, 18:35

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Morel and Knov's trash-talking of Killua really pissed me off. He made the right call. There was nothing he or Gon could do against Pitou, they would have only gotten in Kite's way. Morel and Knov shouldn't act all high and mighty when they have no idea how fearsome the opponent truly is. They don't know what they're talking about. Kite whom we were told in this episode was a top tier hunter thought Killua made the correct decision. I'm looking forward to their reaction when they finally encounter a royal guard.

Morel's approach to nen battles is not wrong, but that only applies if you are not helplessly outmatched, which they were.

I don't think we're supposed to look at that situation and immediately be able to say Killua was right or wrong, Gon was right or wrong, or Morel was right or wrong. It's complicated. That's why Togashi is a writer than puts 99% of mangaka to shame.

FlareKnight · 2013-06-23, 19:18

Those guys could trash talk Killua all they want, but in the end it was his actions that gave him and Gon a chance for a next time. Kind of funny that his assassin training makes him a bit more relateable than most Hunters. Certainly not fighting a battle you are 100% going to lose just makes sense for him. At that point Nen doesn't even matter really. Pitou was just way too fast and powerful to touch at that point.

Really if Morel, Knov, and Netero have never had to retreat in their lives they must be incredibly talented and incredibly lucky to never face something beyond their abilities. In the end Killua is a necessary existence for Gon. One of them have to be rational enough to know when they can win and when they are hopelessly outmatched.

In the end what the right thing to do all depends on perspective. Kite and Killua were on the same page there, while Morel was on another.

Kazu-kun · 2013-06-23, 19:52

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Really if Morel, Knov, and Netero have never had to retreat in their lives they must be incredibly talented and incredibly lucky to never face something beyond their abilities. In the end Killua is a necessary existence for Gon. One of them have to be rational enough to know when they can win and when they are hopelessly outmatched.

Despite what it looks like, I don't think they were trash talking him because he retreated. It's more the way he did it what they don't agree with. He panicked and let his fear overpower him, and a hunter can't be like that.

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In the end what the right thing to do all depends on perspective. Kite and Killua were on the same page there, while Morel was on another.

Whether it was the right thing to do or not doesn't matter. If he wants to fight alongside Gon from now on, he got to learn not to let fear get the better of him. He got to learn how to face enemies who are way stronger than he is, because these ants aren't getting any weaker, and some weeks of training with Biscuit aren't going to change things much.

This is Killua's character development time, and I bet we'll see a significant change in his character during the upcoming training arc. As he is now (psychologically speaking) he can't fight the ants.

HandofFate · 2013-06-23, 20:30

RIP Kite.
This episode was nicely directed. The anime has been doing a very good job of transitioning the pages into animated form and giving everything coherency.

SagaraSouske · 2013-06-23, 21:11

I know Nefe is stronger then Hisoka and Cholleo in terms of raw power, just wondering if they fight, who would win. Wonder why Hisoka never challenged Netero. He obviously think himself stronger then any of the other spiders and there really are few people that he will consider fun to fight. I would have thought he would think Netero just as a juicy a target as Cholleo.

Clarste · 2013-06-23, 21:13

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I know Nefe is stronger then Hisoka and Cholleo in terms of raw power, just wondering if they fight, who would win. Wonder why Hisoka never challenged Netero. He obviously think himself stronger then any of the other spiders and there really are few people that he will consider fun to fight. I would have thought he would think Netero just as a juicy a target as Cholleo.

Depends on who makes a tiny slip-up first, right? That was the whole point of Morel's speech. The outcome is never determined until it's over. Hisoka and Chrollo obvious have more experience than a less-than-a-day old ant, but Pitou's got superhuman instincts. So... who knows?

Archon_Wing · 2013-06-23, 22:11

Ahh, fuck these ants. >.> They really have to call in the biggest of the big guns to stand a chance.

And Killua is definitely a bro for reading what Gon would do. That's what I like HxH, it isn't just that generic formula of protag rage + power up = bs conclusion. Nope, that gets you killed here.

kakakka · 2013-06-23, 22:14

In terms of what happened, I side with Killua's decision. While Morel's logic was sound, it is only good when the players know what they're doing. Neferpitou smash in head on full power and the group was thrown disorganized. Morel was not there, but if he was, he would probably face palmed at what Gon did, not praising him. Gon would have walked right into his death if not for Killua.

Dengar · 2013-06-24, 01:24

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It's complicated.

Finally someone who gets it!

2013-06-23, 17:16	Link #3169
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	What an amazing episode this one was. I got 2 theories regarding Kite's fate: A) He got really luck with his roll and the weapon he obtained allowed him to create a double while he safely escaped. B) Kite did die but his body will be "reincarnated" as the king and he will have memories of his past life as a hunter. This would create an interesting dynamic between Gon/Killua and himself. __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco

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FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Those guys could trash talk Killua all they want, but in the end it was his actions that gave him and Gon a chance for a next time. Kind of funny that his assassin training makes him a bit more relateable than most Hunters. Certainly not fighting a battle you are 100% going to lose just makes sense for him. At that point Nen doesn't even matter really. Pitou was just way too fast and powerful to touch at that point. Really if Morel, Knov, and Netero have never had to retreat in their lives they must be incredibly talented and incredibly lucky to never face something beyond their abilities. In the end Killua is a necessary existence for Gon. One of them have to be rational enough to know when they can win and when they are hopelessly outmatched. In the end what the right thing to do all depends on perspective. Kite and Killua were on the same page there, while Morel was on another. __________________ Anime-Evo

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	RIP Kite. This episode was nicely directed. The anime has been doing a very good job of transitioning the pages into animated form and giving everything coherency. __________________ ...

2013-06-23, 21:11	Link #3176
SagaraSouske Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	I know Nefe is stronger then Hisoka and Cholleo in terms of raw power, just wondering if they fight, who would win. Wonder why Hisoka never challenged Netero. He obviously think himself stronger then any of the other spiders and there really are few people that he will consider fun to fight. I would have thought he would think Netero just as a juicy a target as Cholleo. __________________

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Student no.0 Part-time Warrior Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: First star to the left, you should go there sometime.	I really wished that I didn't watch that preview. Biscuit showing up again would've been a huge surprise for me. That's it, no more previews for me.

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Upscaled Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto	I find Pitou to be a totally different kind of character from Hisoka or Chrollo. Pitou is a combination of wide-eyed innocence and immense power. To describe Pitou as "innocent" might seem a bit odd, since we've seen a clear willingness to kill without hesitation. What I mean is the innocence of a newborn. To Pitou, everything is new, and there seems to be an intense curiosity about how the world works. Whether reading up on how to improvise brain surgery or comparing how strong one can be against a powerful opponent, Pitou is constantly seeking new information.

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Clarste Human Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37	Pitou's a cat. There's the idea of cats "toying with their prey" that's sort of overlayed onto all of Pitou's behavior. Not sure why some people are judging Pitou an inferior antagonist when s/he's only been in two episodes so far though.

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kakakka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	In terms of what happened, I side with Killua's decision. While Morel's logic was sound, it is only good when the players know what they're doing. Neferpitou smash in head on full power and the group was thrown disorganized. Morel was not there, but if he was, he would probably face palmed at what Gon did, not praising him. Gon would have walked right into his death if not for Killua.