Macross - Music discussion (Part 1, pre-Delta)

[CaptGloval]

^Before End of Eva, which anime OST did the same feat? Macross 7?

[Westlo]

Considering Evangelion's popularity probably the Death and Rebirth OST lol... I'm think I'll sign up for jpopmusic and ask if anyone has records on just anime osts.

[kk2extreme]

my fav song is nyan nyan (dont ask why) in the ost, i think it is sung in mandarin, could someone give me the lyrics in kanji plz, i can translate it myself.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Westlo

From Macross World



Yeah that's pretty big.

How'd I know you be the first person to break this news here.

Either way, not surprised, Yoko Kanno+Macross+Pop Music=Three in one Grand Slam of appeal to the Otaku fanbase.

It's quite ingenious.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by kk2extreme

my fav song is nyan nyan (dont ask why) in the ost, i think it is sung in mandarin, could someone give me the lyrics in kanji plz, i can translate it myself.

Its like some Chinese written with Japanese grammar, a bit of English and a little Zentradi.

好極來來﹐美姑娘
娘娘娘娘﹐你好娘

gorgeous, delicious

deculture!

- Tak (no, it doesn't make any sense in any of the four languages listed above)

[kk2extreme]

Originally Posted by Tak

Its like some Chinese written with Japanese grammar, a bit of English and a little Zentradi.

好極來來﹐美姑娘
娘娘娘娘﹐你好娘

gorgeous, delicious

deculture!

- Tak (no, it doesn't make any sense in any of the four languages listed above)

thanks man

[UltimateClash]

I know it's probably been mentioned before, and many, many times, but:


This OST puts the F in awesome.

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Westlo

From Macross World

Yeah that's pretty big.

Eleven years is very impressive. I get the feeling that the Macross products are selling better than the creators ever expected. Heck, Kanno Yoko has been blowing all of her previous works away in terms of sales. It really helps that the show itself has done a fantastic job in promoting the music without resorting to pandering.

On a slightly different note, I thought that most anime OST CDs would have 2-4 vocal tracks, and the rest would be BGM. In OST 1, we've got:

1. Triangular
2. Welcome To My FanClub's Night
3. What 'Bout My Star
4. What 'Bout My Star
5. Don't be Late
6. Aimo
7. Aimo
8. SMS
9. Ninjin Loves You, Yeah
10. Nyan Nyan
11. Infinity

Admittedly a couple are remixes and a couple are short, but that seems to be an awful lot of vocals.

[ani_d]

I didn't know there was a Macross radio show in the official webpage starring Nakamura Yuuichi (Alto), Megumi Nakajima (Ranka), and Kamiya Hiroshi (Mikhail). Verrry interesting.

Here's the link for people who understand Japanese. ^_^

http://www.macrossf.com/radio/radio.html

The latest link has Nakamura, Megumi, and Kamiya as hosts. (Macross phase crushaa lol)

I only understood 60% of it They talk so fast I couldn't keep up.

Spoiler for a little summary of the highlights:

Looks like they're promoting Megumi Nakajima's debut album. They played Nekko Nikki and afterwards, they had an in-character Alto and Mikhail conversation discussing about the Macross F livehouse. Very funny if you listen to them lol Here's how the convo went from what I understood:

***It starts out with Alto thinking about Zepputo Kyou(sp?). Mikhail enters randomly and says about it being a Nippon (japan?) something something livehouse. He concludes that Alto might actually be thinking of going. Alto denies, but then ask what's it about innocently. Mikhail then starts saying it's going to be a Macross F superlive featuring Ranka's debut. Alto thinks. Mikhail mentions the date, ticket price, plus there'll be...drinks. Alto happily yields. They talked some more. If I'm not mistaken, I think it's all about this:

Originally Posted by humbug23

a live concert by Nakajima Megumi and May'n at the end of episode 10. The emcees apparently are Nakamura Yuuichi(Alto) and Kamiya Hiroshi(Michael), and it will take place on 27th of July.

In the end, Alto dials his phone and even calls his...Mom to ask if she wants souvenirs (?) lol! He has a mom? Nakamura is hysterical

They even talked about WWE superstars like the Rock and HBK. Megumi said she loves Shawn Michaels. (Cool.) Then later on they gave her a cake for her bday. There was also a part where Megumi kept praising Nakamura for being cool and too bad they couldn't see him cross-dress (something like that) lol She made a comment on Kamiya too--"darenimo niteimai kegashimasu" (sp). There's a lot of random stuffs in it. Just check it out.

Then the older link features the 3 again, PLUS Aya Endo. Macross Frontoyarinikui (sp??)

Spoiler for highlights:

They introduced Aya Endo and read her 'fanmails'. They were all fawning over her and calling her oneesama. I'm running out of time so if someone can translate the rest. It's really interesting. They played the Carrot song and another interesting Alto and Mikhail convo afterwards. This time, it's to promote the Nyan Fro OST. ^_^

Mikhail sounded like he's doing something suspicious here He states the songs that're going to be on the album. I think I understood more of the convo here word for word.

[*note: This is incomplete translation]

Mikhail: Here look, this is Alto's most awaited first OST.
Alto: That's the (date) Nyan Fro OST album...why is Mikhail? *screams* What is that?
Mikhail: What's wrong? Are you surprised?
Alto: *gibberish*
Mikhail: Calm down. This OST album contains Sheryl and Ranka's vocal albums.
Alto: *hyperventilates* Ticket, ticket! More more to the left (wtf? Poor Alto's OOC lol)
Mikhail: Left? Like this?
Alto: *happy*
Mikhail: OP/ED songs include Iteza gogo Kyuuji Don't be late Sheryl on Stage, Infinity, Nyan Nyan CM song, and Alto's beloved song Aimo (LOL!) will also be there.
Alto: *dumb laugh* Eh? Eh?

They said something more, but I couldn't understand anymore. I'm guessing it's more details about the album. They also talked about episode 6 about Sheryl sending Alto off with her song Diamond Crevasse, and some more random stuffs with Megumi and Aya Endo. You can tell this is an older recording. Again, check it out. I had fun listening to the two.

At the end, they always say, see you next week. So looks like this'll be a weekly thing.

[pinoy78]

That's just AWESOME news about the OST doing so well.

Congrats to Yoko Kanno and crew for releasing an SUPERB OST.

I already have my copy purchased.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by ani_d

Megumi said she loves Shawn Michaels. (Cool.)

At the end, they always say, see you next week. So looks like this'll be a weekly thing.

Yeah it's a weekly thing and that's just awesome that Megumi is a HBK mark lol, Alto and her should do a version of HBK's theme song

[kilroy0097]

The more I listen to this Macross F OST1 the more I am liking it. It just keeps growing on you. Listening to Tracks 2 through 4 with Sheryl in a "Live Concert" kind of setting it made me start thinking. If the animators actually made an entire OST/OVA type production which was nothing but Sheryl and Ranka (perhaps later in the series) in a Live Duo Concert animated and with quality songs and DTS sound I think people would be lined up to buy it. It would be kind of like a Live DVD concert but obviously animated. It would be a lot of animation but I think it would be cool and I believe the first of it's kind.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I'd still give Nakajima and May N' more credit (the former the most) then I'd give Yoko Kanno for this. They pretty much carried the OST. All of the instrumental BGM while decent don't really stand out all that much, but the vocal tracks (even the ones I don't particularly care for) sure do. Yoko Kanno only did half the OST alone.

[kilroy0097]

Kolewa nani?

Macross F - Lion / Mayn Ai Nakajima
Release Date Aug 06, 2008
Genre Soundtrack
Version Japan
PAX-Code PAX0002227952
Catalog No. VTCL-35033
Item Code 4580226562095

Source

Ai Nakagima and Mayn also kicks ass BTW. The success of that album is certainly shared between those two and Kanno.

[Westlo]

That's for the upcoming cd single for the new OP/ED themes.

OP = Lion (May'n & Nakajima)
ED = Northern Cross (May'n)

Looking forward to how they use Sheryl's Northern Cross in the show... Frontier has used it's ending themes really well in episodes 6, 7 and 10.

Originally Posted by kilroy0097

The more I listen to this Macross F OST1 the more I am liking it. It just keeps growing on you. Listening to Tracks 2 through 4 with Sheryl in a "Live Concert" kind of setting it made me start thinking. If the animators actually made an entire OST/OVA type production which was nothing but Sheryl and Ranka (perhaps later in the series) in a Live Duo Concert animated and with quality songs and DTS sound I think people would be lined up to buy it. It would be kind of like a Live DVD concert but obviously animated. It would be a lot of animation but I think it would be cool and I believe the first of it's kind.

Quite a few people have been hoping for something like a Sheryl version of Macross Flashback 2012. That would be one awesome bonus to be included on the last dvd volume...

[kilroy0097]

Originally Posted by Westlo

That's for the upcoming cd single for the new OP/ED themes.

OP = Lion (May'n & Nakajima)
ED = Northern Cross (May'n)

Looking forward to how they use Sheryl's Northern Cross in the show... Frontier has used it's ending themes really well in episodes 6, 7 and 10.



Quite a few people have been hoping for something like a Sheryl version of Macross Flashback 2012. That would be one awesome bonus to be included on the last dvd volume...

You are right there with the answers. Thank you.

Yes a Sheryl version of Macross Flashback 2012 would be nice. Add some good recording studio DTS 7.1 sound for people with good setups and you can really put the listener into the action by making it sound like a live concert. I don't think it would be added to the last DVD volume of the series unless they have a spoiler extra chapter to promote a separate DVD release which I would think is more likely. Regardless I would certainly own it if it were released. Hell I would even get a DVD player with Region 2 capabilities just for something like this.

Also I came across this:


M-1：Seikan Hikou (Interstellar Flight)
Lyrics：Takashi Matsumoto
Composer and Arranger：Yoko Kanno


M-2：Neko Nikki (Cat Diary)
Lyrics：Hiroshi Ichikura
Composer and Arranger：Yoko Kanno

M-3: Ai Oboete Imasu Ka (Deculture Edition Size)Do You Remember Love
Lyrics: Kazumi Yasui
Composer: Kazuhiko Katou
Arranger: Yoko Kanno

M-4: Watashi no Kare wa Pilot - Miss Macross 2059(My Boyfriend is a Pilot)
Lyrics: Akane Osa
Composer: Kentaro Haneda
Arranger: Hisaaki Hogari, Yoko Kanno

M-5: Seikan Hikou (Interstellar Flight) instrumental

M-6: Ai Oboete Imasu Ka (Deculture Edition Size)Do You Remember Love instrumental

Source

[Westlo]

Yeah just keep up with that GR blog for the latest stuff on music for this series.

Here's a vid for My Boyfriend is a Pilot/Interstellar Flight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4x1x9SV2H4

I think this was off the Macross Radio show, should hear Lion/Northern Cross on it in a few weeks.

[Ottocycle]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

I'd still give Nakajima and May N' more credit (the former the most) then I'd give Yoko Kanno for this. They pretty much carried the OST. All of the instrumental BGM while decent don't really stand out all that much, but the vocal tracks (even the ones I don't particularly care for) sure do. Yoko Kanno only did half the OST alone.

I'd agree that the BGM alone were but only average Kanno works compared to her earlier CDs and didn't stand out too much, but this is after all an anime half about LISTENing TO (MY) SONGs and Kanno probably wouldn't want the BGM to steal the limelight from the vocal tracks.

You could say that she is the Kanno Youko and that she did not live up to expectations by balancing stellar BGM and vocals together well, but IMHO this is the result that Kanno, and most probably Kawamori, desired from the overall soundtrack(BGM and vocals), given that they both had to have a hand in the selection process that brought Nakajima and May'n into the limelight via picking them as voices to fit their predetermined 'Macross sound'.

tl;dr I'm sorry to say that I have a little more confidence in Kanno.

[AVPlaya]

Originally Posted by Tak

Its like some Chinese written with Japanese grammar, a bit of English and a little Zentradi.

好極來來﹐美姑娘
娘娘娘娘﹐你好娘

gorgeous, delicious

deculture!

- Tak (no, it doesn't make any sense in any of the four languages listed above)

It does kinda make sense. The mandarin Chinese speakers in this forum should know that 你好娘 (Ni Hao Niang) is a slangy way of saying "You're very/so gay", right? If you live in Taiwan or developed part of mainland China, and you want to call out a guy for acting a bit feminine, you will say EXACTLY, "Ni Hao Niang".

So when Ranka sang this song in front of Hime-sama, she was basically telling him "gay gay gay gay, you're so gay!" When they planned this scene, they must have known right?? If they didn't, wow, what a wonderfully appropriate comedic gold here.

The possible misuse is due to the fact that, Ni Hao (你好) is a Chinese greeting meaning "Hello" and that's well known among average Japanese. What they wanted to do was to say Ni Hao in the lyrics, but add a very cute Ranka "nyan" at the end, so "Ni Hao Niang" was born. The Japanese creators did not know, however, that the "Hao" in "Ni Hao" is also an adverb meaning "very", and that 娘 (Niang, or Musume in Japanese) is a slang used to describe a guy acting in feminine ways. Thus when they created this jingo song, they thought they were making Ranka Cho-kawaii, but instead they actually have her unintentionally offend every single Chinese-speaking male customer of the Niang Niang Restaurant (unless they happen to be really Niang, like, eh, Alto ). Ozuma Lee, a Chinese speaking Manly Man, would probably not want to eat at Niang Niang.

BTW, The OST is a major win. I do think that it sold so many copies because, well, it really saved a lot of people the need to buy at least 3 or 4 singles. Of coursed the otakus will collect them all, but the casual anime fans would be fine just getting the OST. I can feel that Kanno-sama is having a lot of fun making tributes to Hollywood adventure and sci-fi films scores with this OST... I can smell tributes to Raiders of the Lost Arc, Pirates of the Caribbean, Top Gun, and of course, Star Wars. It's just a fun OST to listen to.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by AVPlaya

It does kinda make sense. The mandarin Chinese speakers in this forum should know that 你好娘 (Ni Hao Niang) is a slangy way of saying "You're very/so gay", right?

You know, having been raised in a certain puny East-Asian island and some goddess-forsaken archipelago, this is probably the first time I heard this expression. And I have yet to hear it or use it in a normal conversation. Usually you'd add a couple more words to that, and it'd mean "he sounds feminine, or he sounds gay", but it does not necessarily mean "you are gay".

I can only guess the Japanese producers got smart and sliced off a word or two while retaining the same overall meaning, if, and I mean if that was their intention.

Originally Posted by AVPlaya

So when Ranka sang this song in front of Hime-sama, she was basically telling him "gay gay gay gay, you're so gay!" When they planned this scene, they must have known right?? If they didn't, wow, what a wonderfully appropriate comedic gold here.

I am willing to give them the benefit of doubt, well, at least 50%. I will treat the other 50% as a 'wonderfully appropriate comedic gold".

Originally Posted by AVPlaya

The possible misuse is due to the fact that, Ni Hao (你好) is a Chinese greeting meaning "Hello" and that's well known among average Japanese. What they wanted to do was to say Ni Hao in the lyrics, but add a very cute Ranka "nyan" at the end, so "Ni Hao Niang" was born. The Japanese creators did not know, however, that the "Hao" in "Ni Hao" is also an adverb meaning "very", and that 娘 (Niang, or Musume in Japanese) is a slang used to describe a guy acting in feminine ways. Thus when they created this jingo song, they thought they were making Ranka Cho-kawaii, but instead they actually have her unintentionally offend every single Chinese-speaking male customer of the Niang Niang Restaurant (unless they happen to be really Niang, like, eh, Alto ). Ozuma Lee, a Chinese speaking Manly Man, would probably not want to eat at Niang Niang.

Or, since Japanese grammar would require an affirmation at the end of each sentence, thus the phrase "Ni Hao Nyan" was born. And this is typical in many pseudo-Chinese sentences created in Japanese pop culture, using Chinese phrases with Japanese grammar. If you seen one, well, you know what to expect.

Therefore, if the creators were intentional, than that would be pure genius. If not, well, its an expected mistake.

And I think Ozuma is half Japanese. Although RANKA is definitely a Chinese name using Japanese phonics. Her name is probably 李蘭花 (which again, very typical Japanese-made Chinese name).

- Tak