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Cosmic Eagle · 2015-08-01, 21:02

It's a non-voiced portion.... so... good luck

weisstheemperor · 2015-08-01, 21:04

can somebody tell me more about reinhard ?

EvilMegaCookie · 2015-08-01, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

It's a non-voiced portion.... so... good luck

Well... I guess I will have to wait two to three years at a minimum until I can read the damn thing. :<

Cosmic Eagle · 2015-08-01, 22:00

Or..... You could just fast forward to the part that explicitly addresses the issue in stark terms. It's in Yakou's route when he's accessing the past history of the Throne

I don't know why you have to keep asking around from people who may or may not have read the thing, let alone know what they are talking about when the description is completely plain and clear on this and you can just simply see for yourself. What is there to "confirm?" It's written plainly there if you really want to see it

EDIT: If you are basing it on the Snake's Omnia Fert Aetas (Elementary Particle Time Paradox) erasing other timelines/universes.....then you are mistaken on how that attack works. It slams a paradoxical universe into the target to erase it. That's all there is to it. It doesn't mean multiple universes cannot coincide. It's literally the Snake taking a portion of the cosmology under him to erase another verse under his reign. For it to work fully you have to be subsumed into the Snake's Hadou first of course. And once you are part of the Snake, it goes without saying that everything is subject to his will as a Hadou God

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That tells you that there is nothing beyond the Throne. The only way for there to be so is to explicitly allow for the possibility and creation of a new uni/multiverse which was how the Snake came about. However, if the new verse has someting similar to the Throne, whether Hadou Atziluth, a new Throne etc. it'll clash with the reigning Throne God. Which was also how the Snake destroyed Satanel.

How does this apply to Omnia Fert Aetas?

In the first place, the paradoxical worlds created by this attack aren't external to the Snake so there shouldn't even be any dispute about whether it proves that multiverse cannot exist or not.

But for argument's sake, let's accept that these paradoxical worlds are somehow outside of the Snake (even though it makes no sense). In that case, they would clash with and be subsumed under the Snake's Atziluth so we are back to square one.

In short, the Snake would, in the absence of a Hadou God stronger than him, always end up being the sole cosmology. And KKK has already made clear that the Snake is a multiverse of infinite scale and dimension. The above image quoting Masada also makes clear that the cosmological canvas left by the Snake (ie, the scale he left in the Throne) is all that exists.

So really, Omnia Fert Aetas cannot be used to disprove this since nothing related to it is even external to the Snake in the first place.

And at the end of the day, does cosmological scale even matter?

Under Marie's Law the Dies Gods are able to coexist and all of them encompass the infinite multiversal canvas of the Snake but despite being so vast, they all still quickly died to Hajun who is technically speaking akin to a singularity. Taikyouku rank > cosmological scale

Or in other words, scale means nothing if the other party will just overpower you through brute spiritual force anyway. And given that it's the nature of Hadou Atziluth to fill any cosmological canvas if unopposed, scale really becomes a non-issue.

nero12 · 2015-08-02, 15:49

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Originally Posted by EvilMegaCookie

Well... I guess I will have to wait two to three years at a minimum until I can read the damn thing. :<

Use Jparser and mecab to get the romaji. That's what i did when i started reading VNs. Makes things a lot easier.

Btw i had stopped playing through KKK after shirou rekts all the guys on the school rooftop and then Ren/Yatou appears in all his fabulousness. Afterwards i somehow ended up seeing the soujirou x shiori moment. I wanted to know how far have i read KKK? I'm playing the akebono no hikari version btw.

EvilMegaCookie · 2015-08-02, 19:15

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Originally Posted by nero12

Use Jparser and mecab to get the romaji. That's what i did when i started reading VNs. Makes things a lot easier.

Btw i had stopped playing through KKK after shirou rekts all the guys on the school rooftop and then Ren/Yatou appears in all his fabulousness. Afterwards i somehow ended up seeing the soujirou x shiori moment. I wanted to know how far have i read KKK? I'm playing the akebono no hikari version btw.

Eeeh... I am a bit hesitant regarding that. Doesn't that completely botch sentences and so on making what is translated look like it has been run through Google?

Now if only I could bribe Gare and Conjueror to translate Dies Irae after Tokyo Babel...

Cosmic Eagle · 2015-08-02, 21:19

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Originally Posted by nero12

Use Jparser and mecab to get the romaji. That's what i did when i started reading VNs. Makes things a lot easier.

Btw i had stopped playing through KKK after shirou rekts all the guys on the school rooftop and then Ren/Yatou appears in all his fabulousness. Afterwards i somehow ended up seeing the soujirou x shiori moment. I wanted to know how far have i read KKK? I'm playing the akebono no hikari version btw.

Roughly 60% through the common route

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Eeeh... I am a bit hesitant regarding that. Doesn't that completely botch sentences and so on making what is translated look like it has been run through Google?

Now if only I could bribe Gare and Conjueror to translate Dies Irae after Tokyo Babel...

Just fast forward to where Yakou is accessing the Throne's history and get a dictionary to read just that part. The info is located there. It's not a lengthy scene by any shot

nero12 · 2015-08-03, 01:04

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Originally Posted by EvilMegaCookie

Eeeh... I am a bit hesitant regarding that. Doesn't that completely botch sentences and so on making what is translated look like it has been run through Google?

Now if only I could bribe Gare and Conjueror to translate Dies Irae after Tokyo Babel...

not really. Jparser and Mecab DONOT give an eng translation. I think you're confusing it with atlas. They only give the text in romaji(eng script) along with dictionary meaning of every word. So it should be easier for you if you can understand the context from just the voices of the characters.

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Roughly 60% through the common route

uwaa, still a long way to go. i'll need to finish that someday as well....

Cosmic Eagle · 2015-08-03, 02:26

Overall tho you are around 45% done with the game so it's fine

nero12 · 2015-08-03, 05:20

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Overall tho you are around 45% done with the game so it's fine

oh so the individual routes aren't very long. That's good to know. Thanks

Cosmic Eagle · 2015-08-03, 05:46

It's more like the indivdual routes all begin after the final fight with Yatou. And the entire story up to Yatou's last fight is roughly 70% of the storyline

After each one, you just fast-forward to the final Yatou fight end and pick the next one. The grand end will be unlocked after the individual routes are all done.

nero12 · 2015-08-03, 08:27

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

It's more like the indivdual routes all begin after the final fight with Yatou. And the entire story up to Yatou's last fight is roughly 70% of the storyline

After each one, you just fast-forward to the final Yatou fight end and pick the next one. The grand end will be unlocked after the individual routes are all done.

ohh so that's how it worked! I was actually confused with the whole routes thingy in KKK but that clears up a lot. Thanks!

UchihaBeast · 2015-08-06, 01:33

[off topic question]
What if there is no Tumor
Then what about Hajun's Taikyoku? Can it go up to 100?

Cosmic Eagle · 2015-08-06, 02:11

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Originally Posted by UchihaBeast

[off topic question]
What if there is no Tumor
Then what about Hajun's Taikyoku? Can it go up to 100?

No. He is weaker than Yatou without the Tumor.

Masada says that without the Tumor he is still capable of wrecking the Dies cast but the damage won't be as great since the Snake or Yatou would end him. However, he does also say that the possibility of the Snake being able to reformat Hajun from existence even without the Tumor is slim although it's still possible.

Knocks32 · 2015-08-06, 11:21

http://postimg.org/image/5py3kwddv/

EvilMegaCookie · 2015-08-06, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Knocks32

http://postimg.org/image/5py3kwddv/

Pretty much. OR this:

Replace the other pictures with Hajun and you are set. Lol.

weisstheemperor · 2015-08-07, 13:32

so the anime is confirmed ?

EvilMegaCookie · 2015-08-07, 20:18

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Originally Posted by weisstheemperor

so the anime is confirmed ?

Eh, I would say it is more likely that we will get an OVA or a pilot episode. Just to test the waters.

KazukluBey · 2015-08-08, 04:14

There is a thing I can't understand. Why exactly does the Tumor boost Hajun to having infinite Taikyouku?

Cosmic Eagle · 2015-08-08, 06:51

Because the Tumor is the target of Hajun's rage and thus the fuel for his Taikyouku.

Also, this won't work with a normal God. Hajun is special. He's been originally engineered by Naraka as a superweapon after all.

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Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	It's a non-voiced portion.... so... good luck __________________

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Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Or..... You could just fast forward to the part that explicitly addresses the issue in stark terms. It's in Yakou's route when he's accessing the past history of the Throne I don't know why you have to keep asking around from people who may or may not have read the thing, let alone know what they are talking about when the description is completely plain and clear on this and you can just simply see for yourself. What is there to "confirm?" It's written plainly there if you really want to see it EDIT: If you are basing it on the Snake's Omnia Fert Aetas (Elementary Particle Time Paradox) erasing other timelines/universes.....then you are mistaken on how that attack works. It slams a paradoxical universe into the target to erase it. That's all there is to it. It doesn't mean multiple universes cannot coincide. It's literally the Snake taking a portion of the cosmology under him to erase another verse under his reign. For it to work fully you have to be subsumed into the Snake's Hadou first of course. And once you are part of the Snake, it goes without saying that everything is subject to his will as a Hadou God Images Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? That tells you that there is nothing beyond the Throne. The only way for there to be so is to explicitly allow for the possibility and creation of a new uni/multiverse which was how the Snake came about. However, if the new verse has someting similar to the Throne, whether Hadou Atziluth, a new Throne etc. it'll clash with the reigning Throne God. Which was also how the Snake destroyed Satanel. How does this apply to Omnia Fert Aetas? In the first place, the paradoxical worlds created by this attack aren't external to the Snake so there shouldn't even be any dispute about whether it proves that multiverse cannot exist or not. But for argument's sake, let's accept that these paradoxical worlds are somehow outside of the Snake (even though it makes no sense). In that case, they would clash with and be subsumed under the Snake's Atziluth so we are back to square one. In short, the Snake would, in the absence of a Hadou God stronger than him, always end up being the sole cosmology. And KKK has already made clear that the Snake is a multiverse of infinite scale and dimension. The above image quoting Masada also makes clear that the cosmological canvas left by the Snake (ie, the scale he left in the Throne) is all that exists. So really, Omnia Fert Aetas cannot be used to disprove this since nothing related to it is even external to the Snake in the first place. And at the end of the day, does cosmological scale even matter? Under Marie's Law the Dies Gods are able to coexist and all of them encompass the infinite multiversal canvas of the Snake but despite being so vast, they all still quickly died to Hajun who is technically speaking akin to a singularity. Taikyouku rank > cosmological scale Or in other words, scale means nothing if the other party will just overpower you through brute spiritual force anyway. And given that it's the nature of Hadou Atziluth to fill any cosmological canvas if unopposed, scale really becomes a non-issue. __________________ Last edited by Cosmic Eagle; 2015-08-03 at 10:52.

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Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Overall tho you are around 45% done with the game so it's fine __________________

2015-08-03, 05:46	Link #1891
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	It's more like the indivdual routes all begin after the final fight with Yatou. And the entire story up to Yatou's last fight is roughly 70% of the storyline After each one, you just fast-forward to the final Yatou fight end and pick the next one. The grand end will be unlocked after the individual routes are all done. __________________

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Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Because the Tumor is the target of Hajun's rage and thus the fuel for his Taikyouku. Also, this won't work with a normal God. Hajun is special. He's been originally engineered by Naraka as a superweapon after all. __________________

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weisstheemperor Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2015	can somebody tell me more about reinhard ?

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UchihaBeast Member Join Date: May 2014	[off topic question] What if there is no Tumor Then what about Hajun's Taikyoku? Can it go up to 100?

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weisstheemperor Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2015	so the anime is confirmed ?

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KazukluBey Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2015	There is a thing I can't understand. Why exactly does the Tumor boost Hajun to having infinite Taikyouku?