StarCraft 2

[Demongod86]

Want to prevent rushes? Block your chokepoint with units like a buncha lings or several zealots, or the usual rax/SD with terran.

The only thing I didn't like about starcraft was that it was so brutally unforgiving. Make one mistake and nothing and I mean NOTHING will save you from that. Try to reach templars fast without too many dragoons and then all of your probes die to a mutalisk swarm...one zealot too few and you get lings out the ass. Don't babysit your HT vs. terran heavy metal for one second and they get annihilated by vultures and then the rest of your army gets tanked.

The fact that the "dragoon" now makes short work of the entire terran mass tank/vulture strategy means that they'll have to employ little marines, but that would mean that once protoss would get a single reaver that basically terrans are fucked over because their only counters to the immortals are bait for the rest of the protoss army. Not to mention that in basically even numbers, that the immortals will completely walk over terran infantry. What I mean by even numbers is even control. In the video demonstration, blizzard used 6 dragoons to demolish 8 tanks while losing 2, but then sent like 20 reapers after the dragoons if not more. 2 reapers to one dragoon and the protoss will stomp that. Hard.

I'm also a bit concerned about the banelings. If they don't require some high-end research level, they could be catastrophically imbalanced. The fact that you could plow through just about any ground force with banelings numbering a small fraction of what a whole swarm of zerglings couldn't do shit about is disheartening.

The protoss stalkers also don't seem that amazing. Whoopty doo, they can blink. I'm wondering why those reapers (there were still like 12 of them) didn't just open fire on the 4 stalkers...

Are they like the old dragoon with blink, or are they slow blinking vultures?

The phase prism is very impressive in that you can do a sort of ersatz-recall anywhere on the map, however, its ability as an "emergency pylon" is just silly. That thing has like 200 total HP compared to a pylon's 600. If you blew up the pylon, you can easily smack that phase prism while it's deployed, and on the side of the protoss player, who the hell is dumb enough not to lay out their base in such a way that the pylons don't intersect in quite a few places?

I also think that the phoenixes, unless that overload deals concussive damage (25% to large units) are heinously overpowered. If one overload hits all air units, then it's only a matter of getting X many phoenixes until that overload wipes out all the air units your opponent has on screen. For instance, if it takes 12 phoenixes to shoot down a single battlecruiser with a combined overload, then 12 phoenixes can even wipe out 1 battlecruiser, or 1000 battlecruisers all the same.

Those warp rays on the other hand seem rather useless compared to the phoenix because they only focus on a single target, and in terms of large-scale air battles where there are many units, be they mutalisks or battlecruisers, I think that a critical mass of phoenixes will do much better than the warp-rays ever could.

That mothership however reminds me of the war3 PotM's starfall ultimate. On the one hand, it's a newbie's wet dream. OMG 10 SECONDS AND THEIR ENTIRE 100 FOOD ARMY IS DEAD!! Sadly, the potm is either dealt with or the ultimate is harmlessly waited out. Same case I think with this mothership. First of all, the terrans have a stupidly easy counter in their science vessel (EMP shockwave = GFG), and throw in 3 battlecruisers' tomato cannons and that mothership gets splattered on the wall within several seconds. And unless the protoss finally got a way of repairing their mechs, all the zerg need to do is plague the damn thing anytime it comes into sight. As for the protoss, a single dark archon's feedback will do much the same thing an EMP shockwave will. Oops, useless piece of junk.

Yes, it looks damn cool, but you're only going to beat a moron with that.

[wsheit]

It's not clear what can counter what- especially with the mothership- at this point. As for balance...remember- we've only seen the protoss units and one terran unit. I'm not worried in the slightest.

[Eclipze]

Originally Posted by The Small One

(it looks like groups will have a size of 16 in SC2)

If I remember correctly, wasn't it stated that you now have no limit as to how many units you can select at once?

Originally Posted by The Small One

In SC1 they could only fire all at the same tower if you didn't select each of them seperately and gave them another target. I would prefer it, if you could just choose a group of targets, and they divide their firepower automatically to get the best result.

Well, thats where micro-managing comes in. It'd be abit too easy if they implemented that kind of AI into SC2 - that way even newbies who managed to farm enough minerals can start pwning people, since all it takes is having X number of super units approach a group of relatively powerful enemies and let them do the Yamato/(insert special move) spamming with no effort of micro-managing at all.

[Skane]

Originally Posted by The Small One

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Personally I also hope for a little improvent on the controls. Like when having selected a group of 12 units (it looks like groups will have a size of 16 in SC2) and planing to use one of their special attacks on different targets, that you don't have to select different smaller groups of them a few times and select their target manually. Like Battlecruisers using Yamatogun on missile turrets. In SC1 they could only fire all at the same tower if you didn't select each of them seperately and gave them another target. I would prefer it, if you could just choose a group of targets, and they divide their firepower automatically to get the best result.

Originally Posted by Eclipze

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Well, thats where micro-managing comes in. It'd be abit too easy if they implemented that kind of AI into SC2 - that way even newbies who managed to farm enough minerals can start pwning people, since all it takes is having X number of super units approach a group of relatively powerful enemies and let them do the Yamato/(insert special move) spamming with no effort of micro-managing at all.

Considering that WC3 already has this implemented, I will not be surprised if SC2 has it as well. It will also enable competition matches to be more fast-paced, which is one of their intentions.

Cheers.

[arcadeplayer987]

I expect better graphic

[gouf 1/2]

Originally Posted by arcadeplayer987

I expect better graphic

ive seen some screen shots for it and the graphics has indeed improved a bit.

I heard that terrans have a major boost in power, and also old characters return ~ i believe its 4 years later

[Matt Soulblade]

Originally Posted by NaOH

NOOBS! never judge b4 release!

heres some gameplay videos that will prove SC2 does not = WC3, and the units will work out! just wait and see!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6IhMdgdFvQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCleQxk3vsg

u ll wet ur pants if u are a true SC fan!

Oh, what is this?
I was commenting on the gameplay videos. The fact that the units and the rest will or will not work out is out of my range and yours too.
And btw, Im trying to be objective with what I say.

[grss1982]

Originally Posted by The Small One

We've also seen a little bit of the Zerg.
It looks like finally they are able to build tunnels to regions, where they don't have their special territory. I wonder though, what is going to stop them now, to build the tunnels immediately into the enemy's base.

About the mothership: If I understand the explanations correctly, then all it's special moves only affect enemy units, which is IMHO a bit unrealistic. (Even the Arbiter's Stasis field affect frienldly units)

And the nuclear missiles seem to have become nearly useless. The little red dot was replaced by large and openly visible marking. Everybody is going to find the target on time an kill the Ghost. And you can even see how long it takes until the missile is going to hit.

Personally I also hope for a little improvent on the controls. Like when having selected a group of 12 units (it looks like groups will have a size of 16 in SC2) and planing to use one of their special attacks on different targets, that you don't have to select different smaller groups of them a few times and select their target manually. Like Battlecruisers using Yamatogun on missile turrets. In SC1 they could only fire all at the same tower if you didn't select each of them seperately and gave them another target. I would prefer it, if you could just choose a group of targets, and they divide their firepower automatically to get the best result.

That part really pissed me off. I mean in SC1 it was a laser dot and now its one very big crosshair-type thingy, which is a real dead give away for the lasing "ghost."

[grss1982]

Originally Posted by gummybear

SPARTAAAAAAAA!

I am sorry, I just had to do it

For tonight we dine in HELL!!!


Sorry, could'nt resist. :lol:

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by grss1982

That part really pissed me off. I mean in SC1 it was a laser dot and now its one very big crosshair-type thingy, which is a real dead give away for the lasing "ghost."

I am hoping that this was just a promo hiccup, and that complaints by Terran-playing Koreans would soon remedy it. That reminds me, i need to dig up more Youtube videos of Emperor Boxer nuking EMPed Protoss Nexuses...

EDIT: I just heard news of a confirmed change in SC2 from SC; units on the high ground would have permanet fog of war protection when firing on units below, unlike in SC when they are briefly able to be targeted when firing. This means you need either flyers or units that can go up cliffs to stop reaver or Siege tank drops. That explains why we have jet pack units and Collusus now... Oh, and "blinking" can only work on terain that had been explored, so you can't blink into your opponent's base when you get into it the first time, you need to scout out the area.

[tkdtiger]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

I am hoping that this was just a promo hiccup, and that complaints by Terran-playing Koreans would soon remedy it. That reminds me, i need to dig up more Youtube videos of Emperor Boxer nuking EMPed Protoss Nexuses...

EDIT: I just heard news of a confirmed change in SC2 from SC; units on the high ground would have permanet fog of war protection when firing on units below, unlike in SC when they are briefly able to be targeted when firing. This means you need either flyers or units that can go up cliffs to stop reaver or Siege tank drops. That explains why we have jet pack units and Collusus now... Oh, and "blinking" can only work on terain that had been explored, so you can't blink into your opponent's base when you get into it the first time, you need to scout out the area.

Koreans playing terrans??? I thought they only played zergs

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by tkdtiger

Koreans playing terrans??? I thought they only played zergs

Once upon a time, perhaps. Then Boxer the Terran Emperor made himself known, and his anti-Zerg tactics became widely adapted. Recently Protoss became popular again, but that is just your typical fluctuation of racial preference due to playing style and introduction of new builds and counter-builds.

We know from an interview that Blizzard is going to invite specific Korean pro-gamers as a part of their beta-test team. Assuming the Korean Airforce is willing to let him have some leave, I am pretty certain Boxer would be a shoe-in.

[LoweGear]

My take on the nukes: I would imagine that the MASSIVE dots would be for the player who launched the nuke, so as to give him an idea of where he dropped his nukes, and that other players can't see them.

I just hope.

[felix]

My guess it's an Observer thing, since that was a in-game cinematic of sorts.
There's not that much practical reason to show it to the person who launches it.
It's distracting, obstructive and let's face it.. how stupid can you be to forget the location?

Well I can only hope.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Cats

My guess it's an Observer thing, since that was a in-game cinematic of sorts.
There's not that much practical reason to show it to the person who launches it.
It's distracting, obstructive and let's face it.. how stupid can you be to forget the location?

Well I can only hope.

This is just an observation from many other RTS games I've played that have actually used this system (ex. Dawn of War and C&C), where a large sigil is shown on the location where the player deployed his spell or superweapon that other players can't see. Which gave me the impression that Blizzard was taking good ideas from other recent titles and implementing them in.

[Demongod86]

Actually those nukes came down FAR faster than they did in SC1. Nuclear launch, circle shrinks, kaboom. Took like all of ten seconds.

In the other SC, it took like 30.

[Davad]

Actually , i was thinking about.

ZERG RUSH!!

But i guess that's just me , i already can't wait to play it to be honest.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Demongod86

Actually those nukes came down FAR faster than they did in SC1. Nuclear launch, circle shrinks, kaboom. Took like all of ten seconds.

In the other SC, it took like 30.

yeah right.

to be more correct (and nitpicking ), it takes 23 seconds overal.
detection after 2 seconds
dot done after 18 seconds. 5 seconds later, B00m.

these are most of the time the longest seconds you ever have in this game. (especially when you see the oppenent using comsat like mad XD)

[arcadeplayer987]

Originally Posted by grss1982

For tonight we dine in HELL!!!


Sorry, could'nt resist. :lol:

You justlove that movie right?? me too

[gouf 1/2]

Originally Posted by blitz1/2

Or a campaign to kill her.

i dont agree that they would change her back cause she'll just go back and forth. I agree that a campaign to kill her is likely. Plus, ive done it many times in my own custom battle xD

Originally Posted by arcadeplayer987

You justlove that movie right?? me too

haha, i love that movie too. Ive tried to replicate the battle in Starcraft and other games too. xD