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Plus, he didn't want Tsunade to see him that ugly. I agree that some (many) things in Naruto don't add up when you look back, but this isn't really one of them. |
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I don't see the big deal about the author's direction with Hashirama. In the begining, we knew nearly nothing about him, until the author gradually started revealing more details, such as him being strong enough to even control/subdue bijuu, and this was hundreds of chapters ago. I don't remember reading any complaints then, but now that he's shown fighting at a higher level than Naruto after all the crazy power-ups Naruto recieveed, suddenly people have an issue with it. |
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2013-02-21, 12:22 | Link #63 | |
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Yes especially considering Naruto is half Uzumaki and has this sixth paths cloak like thingy when he uses the Kyuubi chakra. He only needs the Rinnegan and he's the sage of the sixth paths reincarnated. I don't consider Naruto my favorite character, that would probably be Itachi. I'm disgruntled with the recent increase in retarded power levels and the complete lack of tactics with sole focus on bigger and prettier explosion. And to add insult to injury they are created by characters that are technically dead making this whole new generation thing nothing but a sham. That's my beef |
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2013-02-21, 13:07 | Link #65 | ||
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In any case, I never thought the whole "new generation surpasses the old" was based solely on strength. It's like in RL, a guy with a low income job works his ass off so his son can go to college, get a good job, and his grandkids can have the kind of oppurtunities he and his son never had.
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Yet, I'm sure you had no problem with that particular retcon. What exactly does “strong life force and chakra” even mean? Most likely an intentionally vague description to explain away unbelievable feats and contrived powerups later on. Quote:
This sounds pretty ridiculous. Having a character's name in the title doesn't necessarily mean they have to be the absolute strongest there ever was and ever will be. There are plenty of manga that can serve as examples. |
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2013-02-21, 14:07 | Link #68 |
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I hate when a flashback is written in such a fashion. Supposedly, Hashirama is telling all of this to Sasuke, so not only does it make no sense to start with the final conflict between Madara and Hashirama only to then cut to their first meeting. It makes no sense from a structural standpoint, which is whatever, but it is especially annoying specifically because Hashirama is supposedly telling his story to someone. Unless, Hashirama has gone senile, this flashback structure is simply annoying...
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2013-02-21, 14:10 | Link #69 | ||
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You do know Naruto is not nearly this strong without the kyuubi right? He can't do jackshit without this partner. Most of his current attacks are nothing more then a byproduct of the huge amount of chakra the kyuubi provides. So base Naruto is pretty pathetic when compared to Hashirama. Here we are in the final stages of a manga called Naruto with a main character being outclassed by relics of long ago. Quote:
Naruto being half Uzumaki should mean he has crazy chakra for himself. And even though it's mentioned he has a lot Hashirama still dwarfs him. Besides my point was that he looks an awful lot like the sage of the six paths except for the eyes. So yes him being half Uzumaki and being the Kyuubi's Jinchuuriki should make him close to the best "shinobi" of all time. And yes this whole "it was actually his destiny thingy" was retconned, so? This happened ages ago, why should I mention my dislike about that now? Don't make baseless assumptions. Naruto is what the manga is called thus having this character who has the strongest tailed beast locked inside him do ridiculously OP stuff is what a shounen manga is all about. I though it would happen the moment he used the Kyuubi's chakra. It was always sort of foreshadowed. The power of Hashirama was not and seems like an asspull from kishi who wrote himself stuck with the god like Madara. The sad side effect is that Naruto has to either become even more powerful or be forever outclassed by those old ninja's. Just because I don't mind shounen power ups shouldn't mean it has to go post cell saga dbz ridiculousness. In my opinion Kishi has gone over the limit with the powers and it's affecting the story in a bad way. |
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i wouldnt say that at all. dont forget about sage mode. he's much more powerful in sage mode than jiraiya was and it has nothing to do with the kyuubi. sage mode puts him at at least kage level i'd say. and then kyuubi mode puts him over the top, but without the kyuubi he's still extremely strong
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It looked a lot more like that dbz spirit bomb cheesiness. But I will agree that they did use tactics earlier in the war, however whenever a tactic is used now it just get's overpowered by some form of strength making it nothing more then a useless gesture leading to nothing. Making tactics useless though they used to be turning points earlier in the manga is just downgrading the story. Quote:
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2013-02-21, 15:54 | Link #74 | |
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He did have minor difficulties with a few things, but the benifits far outweighed the disadvantages. Besides saving his life countless times, having the kyuubi allows Naruto to spam his kage bushins the way he does, which has been the foundation of many of his powerups such as the rasengan, creating the FRS, learning nature manipulation, etc. Last edited by Midnight Commander; 2013-02-21 at 16:06. |
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Actually, right from the very beginning I was always like "Naruto's natural chakra supply must be huge if he didn't have the Nine-Tails sucking it away all the time." Later in the story I was proven correct about it.
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2013-02-21, 16:10 | Link #76 | |
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Man, you come straight out of a comic book. Last edited by Artful Dodger; 2013-02-21 at 16:20. |
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2013-02-21, 16:14 | Link #77 | |
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Naruto's chakra reservoir is influenced greatly by the Kyuubi, but he would have undoubtedly been a chakra powerhouse even without the Kyuubi. |
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2013-02-21, 16:19 | Link #78 | |
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Here's the short version: Naruto is the next shinobi god. The first sage predicted this and the tailed beasts acknowledged it. So yes I expect the main character of the story to be this OP, however making both Hashirama and Madara that powerful in the flashback ruins Naruto's position as the next shinobi god. |
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2013-02-21, 17:09 | Link #79 |
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You know, simply asserting it doesn't mean it's true.
I mean, in the text itself, Hashirama has actually been called the "god of shinobi", something nobody has said about Naruto (not even the tailed beasts). Naruto is just the savior of the shinobi. |
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it was said about hiruzen though, which was implying that each generation was better than their predecessors. then when hiruzen beat hashirama, tobirama and orochimaru it was further confirmation of how awesome he was. now hashirama is the god of shinobi and hiruzen is reduced to average kage level just above tsunade but probably below tobirama also when all is said and done here.
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