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Itatchi is the best genious to date, there are no comparisons. | 37 | 56.92% | |
Neji can compare to Itatchi, both are more of a genious than Sasuke. | 21 | 32.31% | |
Sasuke can compare to Itatchi, both are more of a genious than Neji. | 7 | 10.77% | |
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2006-11-13, 22:58 | Link #1 |
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Is itatchi a "super genious" compared to others??
This isn't about power, but how much they progressed which most relate to how much of a "genious" you are.
My friend Rurik truely believes Neji is an equal level of genious as Itatchi, and Sasuke is below both of them. Does everyone believe this? How many people do? Im interested to see the majority rule, because i always thought Neji was around Sasuke's level of genious and Itatchi was the ultimate "genious". (if they had levels i suppose). Now i must figure out how to configure polls... Last edited by Dauthi; 2006-11-13 at 23:10. |
2006-11-13, 23:18 | Link #3 |
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Well I imagine that Rurik will argue that what the majority believes doesn't determine the truth, and he'd be right of course
But it seems Itachi has just been on a totally different level of growth than anyone in the series. He graduated the academy at 7 after only a year, became a chuunin at 10 and an ANBU captain at 13. If he'd hadn't left Konoha he'd probably would've become a jounin that same year. The 3rd, Oro and Yondaime are probably the only Konoha ninja that match Itachi in terms of sheer genius. Neji's accompishments seem more on par with Sasuke's. Both were at the top of their respective classes and both are fairly advanced for their age. |
2006-11-13, 23:24 | Link #4 | |
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Indeed, it can only be an opinion of who you think was more accomplished, since there is no fact dictating "geniousity" i suppose. All i want to see is if others believe that Neji is as amazing as Itatchi, and if i am in a majority or minority =p |
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2006-11-13, 23:50 | Link #5 | |
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What makes Neji rival Itachi's genius is that Neji had nobody to teach him yet he still mastered all his clans techniques, better than any other hyuuga mind you which would be thought to be impossible. Even so, both Itachi and Neji have limits, Sasuke really doesn't. Basically what Itachi did isn't THAT great, so he graduated young, who cares? the sannin did, Kakashi did. He became a anbu leader at 13, where as Kakashi was jounin at 14. He mastered his sharingan but had his father and the clan to help train him. Neji was all alone. Last edited by Rachy; 2006-11-14 at 00:09. |
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2006-11-14, 00:17 | Link #6 | |
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2006-11-14, 00:23 | Link #7 |
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What Neji had accomplished on his own was amazing, but I dont really think it counts up to Itachi's genious.
However, they're definitely both more genious then Sasuke. The only reason Sasuke is strong as he is is because of the Cursed seal, and that he convinces Orochimaru to dope him even stronger. Neji who probably still is very equal has done most improvements by himself (With hiashi as guidance as lately) |
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2006-11-14, 01:23 | Link #10 |
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Umm... I can't believe Neji is getting compared to Itachi. 14 year old Neji would be facing an 8 year old Itachi if they were at the chuunin exam together...
Besides, guess who lost and didn't get upgraded to chuunin status - NEJI. Itachi not only has genius fighting skills, but at the age of 8 he showed intellect and leadership skills that showed he was ready to lead a team. At age 13 he had the leadership and skills to lead Anbu. Honestly nobody in Naruto so far can rival his resume (not power) not even the sannin. Sarutobi might come close but that's it. I think Neji is more of a genius than Sasuke, but the comparison should stop there. Neji will prb go on to be an elite jounin like kakashi and Gai, but Itachi is on the level of the Kages. Someone also did mention an young Itachi (possibly at Neji's current age) took out all of the UChiha thats totally OMGWTFBBQSAUCE!!! You want to compare neji to that??? Let's see if he could even beat his uncle, let alone the whole hyuuga clan... what a joke. |
2006-11-14, 02:04 | Link #11 |
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Nobody compares to Itachi?
----------------------------------------------Kakashi vs Itachi Showdown--------------------------- Graduated Academy ----------------------- 5 -------------------- 7 --------------------------------- Acheived Chuunin rank -------------------- 6 ------------------- 10 -------------------------------- Achieved Jounin rank---------------------- 13 --------------- (almost by 13) --------------------- So whats this mean? It means that Kakashi was a better student, and many times more gifted than Itachi (achieving Chuunin rank younger than Itachi graduating from the Academy even). But there is more to be said of all this. When Iruka starts complaining about hte Konoha 8 taking the Chuunin exam as too young, Kakashi at that point reveals how old he was when he took it, but that times had also changed. This is to say, they had been gravitating ot educating the ninja more highly in later years, to achieve the best efficiency out of heir graduates (which also plays into the fact that it was the first time in many years that a rookie achieved Chuunin rank). Overall this can mean that all the top characters we have seen could of had many equivalent qualities to judge them as Geniouses. Whats more, because of the Sand/sound plot, there was an unfair judging of all the competitors of the fianal exam, so only Shikamaru got to really show his value. So, comparing the year of attaining Joinin level, I would say is the best guage of the Ninja, so unless from unforseen reasons (like not being able to test), a ninja acheiving Jounin status before 15 should be considered an elite genious. |
2006-11-14, 02:06 | Link #12 |
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Itachi is way to far ahead of neji and sasuke to even consider this at the moment i think sasuke will catch up eventually though but as of right now itachi is the strongest nin we have been introduced to so far we havent seen all that he can do yet and he has easily beat some the stongest nins around
also where the hell did neji come from he dosn't even have a shot (not because he isnt capable but he isnt a main character) I cant wait for the vengence match were sasuke actually stands a chance. That is going to be one intresting fight. |
2006-11-14, 02:52 | Link #13 | |
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It is amazing Neji taught himself these advanced techniques still. The only thing you could say for Itatchi is if he had to train MS by himself as well, which we dont know for sure. As for comparing Neji/Sasuke, i think after graduating they were both probably fairly even. Sasuke was very talented without sharingan (basically a simple genious ninja). Its hard to speculate on Neji because we never see him this young (graduating). I would imagine though a Sasuke who stayed at the village untill he was 14 (which i believe is Neji's age?) would show similiar talent and improvement. Also everyone was surprised (besides those he trains with) to see Neji perform Kaiten/64 hands. This means he just recently perfected/completed these techniques more than likely (in the year he has over Sasuke). Sasuke does very well for himself without the Sharingan. Also he impresses everyone similiarly as neji did. Even Oro was quite pleased when he first fought the young Sasuke. |
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2006-11-14, 04:59 | Link #14 | ||||
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I always liked to say Itachi is a genius multiplied (genius by himself + Sharingan = great results) whereas Sasuke is a genius just because of Sharingan. Itachi is a genius himself like Kakashi and Neji are, plus the Sharingan which greatly improves growth and whatnot hence he managed to get so far at a really young age. If we are just to be honest, Sasuke has never done anything really that outstanding before he aquired Sharingan. I mean what did he do? Train like fucking hell just so he could show his dad his super grades in school? Next thing, train like fucking hell because he wished to some day defeat his brother. And still he was mediocre, imo, for someone classified as a genius. Fact is, which no one can deny, Sasuke had to practice and train like fuck in order to get the rep he got at the end of his times in the academy, whereas Itachi was a natural genius and didn't seem to put any effort into stuff at all. And still, Itachi was considered a greater genius than Sasuke, by far. In fact, if it wasn't for Sharingan, Sasuke would be a mere dropout like Lee and Naruto. A hardworker instead of a genius. Cause frankly that's what he used to be, a hardworker. Now to the idiot Sasuke fans who will likely all jump on my throat for this, I'm not saying Sasuke sucks, or won't get just as strong. I'm saying he doesn't seem much of a genius, which isn't that important a feature (I mean just look at Naruto). Especially compared to Yondaime and Neji, who managed to come up with stuff by themselves. Their genius minds, capable of coming up with stuff of their own, whereas Sasuke needs / depends on Sharingan. Quote:
That said, they're both equal geniuses, it's just Itachi's kekkei genkai is exactly what defines a genius, so it gives him a boost, unlike Byakugan for Neji. If we were just to think his additional "unfair" growth away, both would be fairly equal. Quote:
You're not necessarily 00ber if you're a genius, and you're not necessarily a weakling if you're not one. Even if Itachi is that strong at the moment, Kakashi could still be more of a genius. Yondaime as well. Perhaps Neji as well. The ability to come up with, and understand jutsu fast. A natural talent for jutsu. That's what defines a genius. "Nobody comes close to Itachi" proves nothing so far as this topic goes. It just proves that he's really strong, just like Jiraiya. And is he a genius? Quote:
It was since after the 3rd great ninja war that the Chuunin exam went as it does now. Villages had to be balanced out, so they came up with a nice idea to be able to measure each others power and stay fairly equal so no village would become clearly stronger than others. Itachi participated in a Chuunin exam way different from that of Kakashi. Fighting ninja from other villages instead of his own. Ninjas who don't give a shit whether you die or not. Plus the fact that during war, students are being rushed, grow up under high pressure and are forced to train a lot more, plus get promoted maybe before they would even be fit for a higher rank. That said, we can't possibly compare Itachi to Kakashi based on their accomplishments back in their youth. It still seems to me Itachi's growth was way greater than that of Kakashi. Still, that was only after he aquired Sharingan, so it's unfair in a way. Last edited by Xrayz0r; 2006-11-14 at 05:33. |
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2006-11-14, 05:55 | Link #15 |
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Lmao.
There's nothing better than finding a thread debating who is the better "Genious". I'd say we don't have enough info to go on in the anime. Sasuke v Neji would be an evenish fight and Itachi is like 6-7*(?) years older than them so perhaps by the time they're his age they will be much stronger than he is now. * Based upon loose visual comparison between Sasuke & Itachi during flashbacks.
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2006-11-14, 08:05 | Link #16 |
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I don't see why people even bother trying to talk to theese Sasuke fan douches. They'll believe what they will even after Naruto drops his nuts and sasuke crys uncle.
I think Kakashi and Itatchi are on somewhat the same level. Thing was Kakashi thought he could fight artificial sharingan vs real sharingan and come out on top, he was wrong. I'm sure he'll still try it again next time they meet. |
2006-11-14, 08:45 | Link #18 | ||
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I voted for the second choice, as After Itachi reach 11 YO he gained the MS (which gaining MS the way he did does not has anything to do with Genius), which practically help him jump his level of strength and power, whereas Neeji, Get to create 2 Jutsu that already existed, that is as he invented them by himself.
For what Neeji did, I consider him to be above Itachi in terms of genius. and if of any Help, I consider also Yondaime, Orochimaru and Kakashi above Itachi in terms of genius. ------- BTW, the results of a poll its not a reflection on Facts, why???? Quote:
Also, for those who joked about "what the majority believes doesn't determine the truth", look that it even has a definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum Quote:
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2006-11-14, 10:13 | Link #20 |
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-Hehe, seems like the majority of people believe the 1st option to be true. I'm no different. Come on: it's Uchiha-freaking-Itachi. You know the guy even a snake-obsessed-pedophile-freakshow is scared of. I will say that sure Naji is a genious for the things he was able to accomplish on his own and that puts him on a higher level of genious than Sasuke in my book. But if you put Itachi in any comparison he's bound to come out the winner.
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