2009-11-16, 01:08 | Link #42 | |
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I feel like it would be how I'm interested in closure regarding what happens on White Day, and even though I don't really need to know (it doesn't seem to be a major plot point, and the story moves on well enough after 14 March anyway), I'm going to keep looking forward to seeing it someday. So at the end of Disappearance, we know that things get put to rights and it happens, but it isn't of vital importance to see it done now, so the story can move along, meanwhile the newcomer audience is more interested in sticking with the franchise in order to see how it happens. Or something like that, I think my thoughts on the matter started to get garbled halfway through that run-on sentence. Also, not using the Intrigues prologue in the movie would likely guarantee that we'll get more Haruhi from KyoAni, if for some crazy reason, they haven't already decided to stick with the series until it's done (doubtful?). It's the whole unfinished business thing. |
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2009-11-16, 17:42 | Link #44 | |
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How do y'all figure the novel fits into a film? Because I haven't the foggiest idea how to translate the length of a book into the length of a show/movie, but if Melancholy made six episodes and Sigh was five, then Disappearance could easily fit five or six as well, which is about the same length as a 2.5 hour movie, right? |
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2009-11-16, 17:48 | Link #45 | |
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Five episodes (Sigh(s)) is 110 minutes. Six episodes (Melancholy) is 132 minutes... That means that seven episodes is 154 minutes, about the running time of this movie. Disappearance is two entire episodes longer than it needs to be. (Hell, if they cut a bit of unnecessary stuff they could do it in four episodes.) What!? |
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2009-11-16, 17:50 | Link #46 | |
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That is why people believe 150 minutes is too much. PS: It was no me who said that is the shortest novel. But it wasn't just one person either. If this is a mistake, please, some one correct me. PP: Danm! Ninj'ed! Anyway, Kaisos, how did you do that math? |
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2009-11-16, 18:20 | Link #49 | ||
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Hmmm, I counted OP+ED as 3 minutes. But I guess the ED is shorter right? Well, the difference between out maths was just 1,5 minute. Quote:
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2009-11-16, 18:21 | Link #50 | |
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Haruhi = Theoden Yuki = Gandalf Mikuru = Eomer Kyon = Gimli Koizumi = Legolas Tsuruya = Aragorn Leader of the Orcish Hordes of Isengard is Ryoko Asakura Haruhi: Ride for ruin, Kyon! For ruin... and the world's end!!! In all seriousness, though, good observations and math work, Kaisos. I remain optimistic that KyoAni will find a good use for these additional minutes... but if they don't, it's going to be Fluff City.
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2009-11-16, 19:30 | Link #52 | |
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Book length is not always the best way to judge episode length. I know everyone wants to forget Endless Eight, but even the final episode wasn't able to animate every single activity mentioned in the short story due to episode length (even cutting out the ED) and that was only a 30-odd page story. I've been meaning to re-read Vanishment and see if there is more action compared to description between it and the two released English translations that could account for the time differences. |
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2009-11-16, 19:58 | Link #53 | |
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But I need to re-read that book, too. |
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2009-11-16, 22:44 | Link #55 |
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Interesting speculation about the length of the film. Having read the novel I think 2 hours is ample time to tell the story at a good, careful pace with lots of juicy details and also provide whatever necessary background for new viewers. I think 2 hours is longer than the average anime movie, right?
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2009-11-17, 04:35 | Link #57 | |
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And yes, the author would have been a fool if he had not drawn out a series which practically screamed "MONEY!" But, all the events in the series of books happen over what? A period of time which is less than a year? A year isn't exactly that large a period of time... not to mention, it seems that most of the characters are pretty content to keep the status quo. Oh, and as for as the Haruhi anime adaptations goes... I wouldn't mind if Disappearance was the last thing we see animated in awhile. To be honest, there hasn't really been any real interesting developments (Editor in Chief was a cute/insightful short tho)... Book 9 has potential but, until Book 10 finally makes its debut, I can't really say. |
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2009-11-17, 06:25 | Link #58 |
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Time period between stories isn't enough to show massive character development, it's much more subtle than that. Kind of like reality. I'm not a hugely different person now than I was a year ago (disregarding time travel, fighting data crickets in sub-space, an endless summer etc) so I don't see how you can expect their character development to go in leaps and bounds.
That said, there is some genuine, enjoyable character development, but the warped chronology and the lack of time between stories makes it difficult to spot. |
2009-11-17, 10:41 | Link #59 |
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You almost have to compare the last two novels against the first two to spot major, obvious differences.
Ex: Melancholy or Baseball game Haruhi against the Snowy Mountain Syndrome or Intrigues version. Or, for that matter, early novel Yuki against the Day of Sagittarius or Intrigues model. |
2009-11-17, 11:01 | Link #60 |
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Character development within the Haruhi novels is reasonably good, at least as it pertains to Kyon, Haruhi, and Yuki.
Relationship development, OTOH, lags somewhat, imo. The SOS Brigade, and the interpersonal relationships within it, really hasn't changed much considering that they've been together for a year, and through quite a bit... with one slight exception... Spoiler for Later novel spoiler:
The characters have changed some, but interpersonal dynamics really hasn't caught up to that yet, imo.
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