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Sorry for the double post, folks, just wanted to add a couple of things.
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I can actually see that, although Sesshomaru was shown to be a lot more arrogant than Itachi. Still, there are the similarities - gifted and powerful, innately superior to the younger brother rival (bar the getting his arm cut off by Inu XD); seemingly an enemy, and fighting with the 'good guys' on a whim, but deep down, not being actually fully evil; even helping the little bro without it seeming like he did so. One key difference for me, however, is that Sesshomaru killed people and didn't give a damn, whereas Itachi was always hesitant to do so. (Lol, this reminds me of a funny picture I saw a while ago. It's a 'big brother contest', and it shows Itachi, Sesshomaru, and Edward Elric from FMA, and each says why they're the best big brother. Sesshy says 'I teach my little brother how to be tough', and Inuyasha gives him a -10; Itachi says 'I teach my little brother valuable life lessons', and Sasuke gives him an 'I'm going to kill you!'; Edward Elric says 'I'm the best', and Alphonse gives him a 10 XDDDDDD) |
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2009-08-20, 14:14 | Link #23 | |
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Either way, One thing I agree is that Itachi took duty to an extreme level, maybe alternates existed, everyone has a choice.
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2009-08-20, 16:17 | Link #24 | ||
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Itachi surely was in a very bad mental state, i think that it's logical to assume that his mental state caused his physical illness. People who carry such a huge burden silently are very often becoming ill, the mental state has always an impact on health. |
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2009-08-20, 18:24 | Link #25 | |
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I mean seriously, I know my clan is wrongly accused of an awfull crime, I know they are unjustly segregated from their village; I know who actually did it and I'm good enough to hunt him down so let's ask him to help me get ride of my clan exactly as he wished and let's not even mention to anybody that the fucker's still alive because that makes perfect sense! |
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2009-08-20, 18:48 | Link #26 |
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Okay, I never got this maybe its been explained somewhere else but what was the point of Itachi mind fucking Kakashi and Sasuke? I mean supposedly all this time he was on Konoha's sides so why would he put two of its strongest (future potential for Sasuke) into what would have been a permanent coma!
Also making Sasuke relive his clan's slaughter for what would seem like an eternity, now that wouldnt build up even greater hatred for the act, maybe even to the point of seeking revenge on the Village you allegedly seemed to love... Didnt think that one through did ya? |
2009-08-21, 08:42 | Link #28 | ||
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As for me, I voted anti-villain. He remains bad until his death and turns "good" after Tobi's story, but as much as I liked his "Sasuke will be my new light for limitless power" villain theme, he just didn't kill/act enough to be a true villain (see Orochimaru) and obviously wasn't planning on world domination:P |
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2009-08-23, 14:10 | Link #32 |
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I voted for anti hero. He was a hero but in his own way and for his own reasons. He could have acted different way but shouldered his burdain his way. For me anti hero.
One might argue he affected some lives negatively, killing a clan, turning Sasuke evil against him forcing him to kill him, but he also avoided a civil war. Some political leaders take such decisions as well..you could call it the 'second best' solution. And Itachi was no fool. Sasuke's torture was necessary for his plan to save the name Uchiha by elevating his brother through ordeal. A far fetched scenario but still for me anti hero. The only reason he might also be labeled anti villain is because he was with Akatsuki and doing bad deeds after his controversial past. Chaotic neutral character. Last edited by ChojinLocke; 2009-08-23 at 14:24. |
2009-08-23, 20:52 | Link #35 |
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Anti-Hero? No. At best Itachi could be considered a Well Intentioned Extremist (he does despicable things for semi-legitimate reasons), or more likely, as I voted, just an anti-villain (a humanized villain), but not an anti-hero and never a hero.
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2009-08-23, 22:53 | Link #36 |
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I Voted Anti- Villian.
Even though his suppose intentions were suppose to be good, the ends don't justify the means. I cant' say how many people he killed, but the fact that he took a life isn't boding well for him period. He kills his best friend for power, his own power i might add. Slaughters his family, but was totally untruthful about it, which had dire consequences for his baby brother. Even more so that he wasn't truthful and neglected several bits of information in regards to the situation. If he were so tragic, he could have been honest with his younger brother... and i know this is going to sound Narutoish, but he could have found another way to solve the problem than resorting to murder, but he willingly chose death and an overall path of lies, deceit and treachery. Furthermore he joins a cadre of Evil people, which nothing good would ever have come from that and it didn't I honestly believe that Itachi was in it for himself and not the greater good of anyone else. Because he doesnt' appear to be like some of the other Akatsuki, i voted him as Anti villian.
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2009-08-24, 05:21 | Link #37 | |
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Besides... Batman is an Anti-hero, Itachi is no Batman |
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2009-08-24, 05:47 | Link #38 |
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Ok, this topic is a train wreck. First of all, leave the poor Greek myths alone. Heracles and Odipous fall under the "cursed by fate" trope, as ancient Greeks were fatalists. And please stop believing they were all perverts and paedophiles. They were simply open minded and never considered sex to be evil. This is an off topic remark from a Greek.
Now to the Itachi issue... Itachi is no hero. Heroes do not trick their friends, kill their families and do crimes for 10 years as a pre-planned grand scheme to do the greater good. Heros are very close to lawful good Paladins of the 3rd edition (before the 4th reverts them to just some generic trait of any alignment). Itachi for the same reason is not a villain. He wanted to help the world. Not conquer or destroy it like some corny American movie villain. The "other" option makes no sense to me... So, we are left with anti-hero and anti-villain. I would pick anti-hero but you see, there is this little detail that screws everything in this regard. He killed the Uchiha, thus preventing a war and even stomping Madara's way to immortality. Yet, he was working with him, doing crimes in his name! And even aiming to let Pein create a war monopoly to throw the world into an endless cyrcle of suffering. So, in the end the only thing he managed to do was to secure Danzou's power, yet another super villain. So, he is not an anti-hero but an anti-villain. He ended up failing to really make a difference. The upcoming war was not prevented, tragedies kept happening and even his fail safe triggers are not working. So, he is just not the worse amongst the villains of the series. He ended up being one of their lakeys without ever joining the Dark Side. The end... |
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2009-08-24, 11:47 | Link #40 | |
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On a side note, I don't know if this has been said somewhere in the manga, because I don't remember. But how exactly is the sharingan genetically inherited? I mean, if Sasuke has a son will he have the sharingan also? |
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