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View Poll Results: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha The MOVIE 1st - rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 61 | 43.88% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 42 | 30.22% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 8.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 17 | 12.23% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.44% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.72% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.72% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 2.16% | |
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2010-12-09, 10:33 | Link #2081 |
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This begs the question how exactly the Wolkenritter ranks work. I believe their ranks stem from Old Belka. At least, they shouldn't be TSAB ranks - Assuming the ranks they have aren't measured by magical power, it's a little odd that their best is Signum with S- which is two ranks below Nanoha and Fate.
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2010-12-09, 11:27 | Link #2082 |
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It might be possible that the testing methods disfavor Signum's style - from what we've seen (it's very little, but still) there seems to be a significant number of ranged attack testing involved, and Signum isn't much an expert in those.
Though, I don't think the ratings were given much thought at all in the first place = \ |
2010-12-09, 13:41 | Link #2083 |
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agreed about Signum, she's S- and Nanoha/Fate are S+, which is weird, because she obviously can match either of them
Hayate couldn't cast the big spells without help targeting (and possibly unisoning with Rein II) and in the manga admitted she's basically useless in a 1v1 and Erio/Caro could beat her .. she's still the biggest walking nuke in the series though .. well maybe blaster-3 SLB Nanoha can match, but that is cast from HP Precia did cast a few 'local' spells, I think her control is definitely better then Hayates, but raw power maybe less I'd like to see an actual SSS one day :O
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2010-12-09, 14:02 | Link #2084 | ||
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Also, it's up to her with which rank exams she wants to take. Perhaps she wanted to rank below them, or something. Who knows. Quote:
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2010-12-09, 14:37 | Link #2086 |
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Reinforce was the accumulated magic of both Nanoha and Fate, and however many other hundreds of magical monsters.
There isn't anyone on the Nanoverse shown, that can hold a candle to Rein I. She could summon STB in mere seconds and had what was probably an endless supply of magic.
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2010-12-09, 14:40 | Link #2087 | |
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2010-12-09, 15:48 | Link #2088 | |
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And then there's a third one, the Wolkenritter ranks. I wondered how they fit in. Calling them the same as Nanoha and Fate wouldn't be right because it would imply Signum didn't come as far as Nanoha and Fate with her abilities. Not that I know of, would be cool though. I did make a attribute chart though and, well, made her like this. (Here's the first one, for reference.) I think it's a good thing that there's no SSS (yet). Even Hayate is "only" synthetic SS, there is no character who has SS as a rank of the type Nanoha and Fate have. But yes, Reinforce would probably have reached SSS.
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2010-12-09, 16:16 | Link #2089 |
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Signum and Vita have the exact same rank classification that Nanoha and Fate do.
That is, they're listed as 空戦 S+, 空戦 S-, 空戦 AAA+, where 空戦 means something like aerial combat or dogfighting. Agito's also falls under this category. Zest/Lutecia's are unknown. Hayate, Reinforce II, Yuuno, and Shamal are synthesis (総合). The forwards all get 陸戦 at the start of StrikerS which is ground combat. Later, Caro's actually changes to synthesis (according to the JP wiki). tl;dr there is no special Wolkenritter ranking thing and Signum & Vita probably just didn't bother taking the tests (or failed). |
2010-12-09, 16:46 | Link #2090 |
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However, theirs are "Midchilda Wizard Rank", while the Wolkenritters are "Old Belka Ritter Rank". I can only guess how they are different from each other.
Basing this on the id cards that were scanned, not exactly sure how "canon" they are, though.
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2010-12-09, 17:17 | Link #2091 | ||
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I think Signum and Vita are the same as Nanoha & Fate classification-wise .. especially Fate - she is ranged and melee, but her device is melee Quote:
also, would Rein1 have max agility ?
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2010-12-09, 17:29 | Link #2092 |
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Rein is a better tank than Signum, and has more beamspam than Nanoha...Whether she has more agility and speed than Fate...They never showed her doing much movement, since she could just tank everything anyways.
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2010-12-09, 21:23 | Link #2093 | |
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The only real dividing factor is whether or not a mage can fly or not, which seems to be a very big divide of talent and aptitude. ( Hayate and Arf for example, can never scale the level of aerial dogfighting. ) If the test were strictly 'evaluation of skill based on specific practiced magic style', I have no doubt Signum would be S+ as a 'Old Belkan Knight.' But the fact is that 'on paper', she and Vita are ranked lower than Nanoha and Fate in 'Air Combat Ranking' which is somewhat reasonable considering Nanoha and Fate's magical arsenal does seem far more prepared in handling any type of potential combat situation with better efficiency. Not saying that Signum couldn't handle it anyway, but it's like a race track with many different terrain conditions and curves. Nanoha's multi-purpose super car ( would be like Mach Go Go Go ) would relatively handle all courses with good track time, averaging to a better lap time, while Signum's more brutish powerful car would probably beat Nanoha at all up-hill and mountain roads, but overall lose out in different tracks like any sharp curves or defensive slow driving.
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2010-12-09, 23:14 | Link #2095 |
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Reinforce chanted, just like Hayate did.
My theory is that all magic technically needs a chant, but an Intelligent Device can handle the chanting for you. Also, mage rank levels have nothing to do with your power; they are a series of tests. You pass the test, you earn the rank, plain and simple. Trying to equate a mage's power with a rank will lead you into contradictions every single time. |
2010-12-10, 04:19 | Link #2097 | |
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For example, a 15 years old soccer player with the talent of Pele is seen playing in regular grass fields of amateurs. One won't be able to actually gauge how comparable he is alongside top players without be without official training, practice and play, but someone's exhibition of play, even outside the regular playing fields are more than sufficient to gauge how good someone is. Nanoha and co. did not go through C, B, A, AA and lower examinations because their overall performance were already judged to be good enough that if they took it, they would clear it without flying colours. Just like how one doesn't take someone young but talented in soccer and ask him to go play in his school club or junior youth team, he'll at the very least be asked to go to the youth nationals or national team directly.
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2010-12-10, 12:01 | Link #2098 | |
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2010-12-13, 01:48 | Link #2100 |
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>>Nanoha tries to steal a kiss X3
Have to admit, that was the perfect opportunity. Vulnerable Fate was vulnerable. >>HOLY!! You guys probably noticed already, but I'll say it anyway! Loli wolkenritters at the end! rofl no, you're the first to bring that up. Albeit, I'd be surprised if that was the directors intention...They do look kinda similar.
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