2013-05-09, 03:07 | Link #222 |
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But didn't Killian approach Stark industries in the beginning of the film to try and get cooperation with Extremis? And that still wouldn't explain Hansan being okay with the prospect of most likely getting killed when missiles are bombing the house. If she's been working with Killian the entire time, why would she agree to that?
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2013-05-09, 04:01 | Link #224 |
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She didn't know the attack would be incoming on Tony's house, despite being a partner of Killian? That doesn't make any sense. I don't really buy that. Especially later on when Killian shows up she doesn't appear to be ticked off at all at Killian that she almost lost her life trying to recruit Tony and Pepper.
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2013-05-09, 09:40 | Link #226 |
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I think that is asking the audience to speculate way too much. If that was the case why didn't she contract Killian and say "Hold up, don't blow up the house we can use Tony to help fix Extremis." I'd be surprised if the response to that would be "Okay you have five minutes then I'm blowing up the house." Killian, who has put his heart and soul into Extremis, couldn't wait a little longer to know for sure if Tony was going to join them or not? Hansan could have just left the house and said "Tony isn't leaving" and then that could have been the go ahead to bomb the place. It's a plot hole to me.
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2013-05-09, 09:47 | Link #227 |
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^It's not so much a plot hole as the script/film trying to deliberately trick the audience (similar to how she and Killian both reference the 'Master' when they kidnap Pepper, even though neither have any reason to). There are quite a few purposeful misdirections and red herrings in the movie that, while extremely obvious in retrospect, were deliberate misleads meant to keep the plot moving without revealing the twists in the story. It wasn't good writing, but it was serviceable for the cause...
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There are many plot holes in the film, I just didn't consider this particular instance a plot hole. --- As an aside, I'm going to see the film again before I try and properly review it (there were good and bad qualities that I am still struggling with), but I will say that I think the film, and in some respects the series, is about defense mechanisms. Tony Stark is riddled with defense mechanisms: whether it be his sarcastic wit used to shield his pain and suffering (from his near death or even Pepper's near death) or the literal armor he wears (developed to originally protect himself against his captors and then later to protect himself against the world he helped create (as a gun manufacturer)). Even his "heart", which it turns out he doesn't actually need (which I wish the film could have provided some details on previous to the semi-obnoxious ending), is another form of protection against the world. There is much to dislike about the film, but I do think the good outweighs the bad. |
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I think the things that my fiance had the most trouble dealing with logically was:
1) Presumably patriotic and loyal soldiers of all stripes suddenly decided to turn on the government and try to assassinate the president? 2) Those same soldiers are perfectly okay going on a rampage killing civilians? 3) Why the hell is Killian so much more powerful than the other ones? 4) The logical explanation for the anxiety driven creation of all those suits was to be ready in case another invasion happened .. then the suits all got "blow'd up" ? Still enjoyed the film a lot. RDJ is ridiculous as always and hey, the $700M worldwide box office means there'll be Iron Man 4, right?
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Note the Iron Patriot suit was never destroyed. The IP still served a purpose, these recent Iron Men did not. They were more harm than good for him, so he simply destroyed them. |
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2013-05-09, 10:36 | Link #232 |
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^ Fair enough, I know what hook the movie was using, my fiance just thought the suits exploding into fireworks was a tad cliche.
The other thing that was never mentioned was why can anyone just throw the IP suit on? It seems like every model other than the latest is impossible for people to just simply use, but anyone and everyone can be IP.
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Your fiance haven't been watching the news lately. US Troops returning home maimed or disabled are being massively mistreated as their request for compensation could be several years overdue. And that's just for processing the REQUEST, not the payment. There are soldiers who died without ever seeing a cent of the government money owed to them for their service. In real life most people stay loyal to their country. But not everyone is that forgiving.
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Well, the general consensus that I get after reading many reviews and comments from various websites is that: if you're okay with action with plot-holes, you like RDJ and his antics, and not a fan of Iron-man comics (and Mandarin in particular), you'll enjoy the movie. If you're the opposite of all those points, you better choose other movie.
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