2008-03-16, 23:23 | Link #61 | |
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To be fair I just didn't like your overtly pejorative tone towards Seeds fans. I started watching Gundam fairly late (around 02 when I was 18) so my introduction to the Gundamverse was Seed so it'll always hold a special place in my mind. After viewing Seed I went back and watched most of the UC. To me both of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Both of them were at least entertaining on some level. I just don't really get why people are comparing 00 to seed when the two series aren't familiar at all thematically or even morphologically. Honestly 00 should be compared to Wing if one needs to compare it to other gundam series at all. |
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2008-03-16, 23:24 | Link #62 | |
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The world doesn't run on a good story. It runs on money. If telling a good story is the backbone of your project's success, then yes, by all means, go and be Final Fantasy. However, if punching your fanbase in the gut is making your ratings tank and making you receive hate mail, then sure, go for your niche cult. You'll be out of a job soon enough and you won't have any more emotionally gripping stories to tell while all of the sellout directors that cheapen death will be out there feeding the masses with their cool characters that people don't want to see let go.
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2008-03-16, 23:25 | Link #63 |
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Ok let's face it, lockon isn't dead he is severe injured floating in space and then was found by some space advanturer. When he wake up he lost his memory, then he found a new uber Over powered gundam and fighting for some organization. Thats when Saji became Dynames pilot and they fight eeach other, and then Lockon regain his memory and became friends join CB again and fight together lol.... series end
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2008-03-16, 23:28 | Link #65 | |
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SEED is compared to 00 due to time of existance. 00 to Wing is also pretty stretched. The plot of Wing was about one man tricking the world into giving him all the power to change the world. 00 is more about the individual struggle of four people to change the world while bearing the weight of their actions. While I could call them similar they really aren't. But I'll agree its closer than SEED. |
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2008-03-16, 23:28 | Link #66 |
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yeah i agree, 00 should be compared to wing because of similarity but it also shares some similarity with other series as well. Also the way 00 is so epic people want to compare it to their own favourite series which just so happens to be seed. I think seed is decent (i watched it myself!) just I think very lowly of destiny. I feel in many ways destiny cheapens the integrity of seed.
SEED is good SEED DESTINY is trash. I'm sorry I will always feel this way about it no matter how many years may go by.
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2008-03-16, 23:28 | Link #67 | |
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Starting with the UC colonies spinning on its minor axis of inertia with no counter rotating section the list of issues could fill the Library of congress. |
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2008-03-16, 23:29 | Link #68 | |
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2008-03-16, 23:30 | Link #69 | |
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2008-03-16, 23:32 | Link #70 | |
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2008-03-16, 23:35 | Link #71 | |
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Everything till 00 has been a fun ride for me. Much like Alien 1-5 (counting AvP). 00 is a bit different since they did a decent job. I mean some elements are just silly, solar power? wtf. But they covered inertia and certain physics elements pretty well, for a Gundam show anyway. 00 also has a more 'grown' up plot. Its no LoTR but its far more than SEED. |
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2008-03-17, 00:09 | Link #73 | |
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Yeah for the moment lets forget the fact that usable fusion is a technology that is likely to be created in the future the whole solar power through space elevator setup in 00 is pretty ludicrous. If I am designing a scheme to harness solar power I would use satellites in Sun-Synchronous orbit where the exposure to sun is 24/7 and the power collected can be transferred to the surface by microwaves with minimal loss. This method is much much cheaper and more effective. The space elevator design itself is ridiculous although I am basing this on current theories. 00 is probably paying a tribute to Konstantin Tsiolkovsky who envisioned a tower like structure. But the whole thing is like a really fucking long beam. Structurally speaking it would require some sort of fantasy material (even carbon nanotubes wouldn't meet the requirements for the design in 00) and some sort of nonexistent vibration damping technology. A straw can start to vibrate you bend it a bit and let it go. For a really really long straw (a basic model for the elevator) there is a very likely chance that disturbances in the atmosphere or lunar gravity effects could initiate some sort of vibrational mode that could be devastating although I am just speculating here. BTW most of the modern skyscrapers has vibrational damping technology put in place. The theoretical space elevator designs that have been proposed recently all involves a thin tether made of carbon nanotube and with it hanging down from a counterweight in geosynchronous orbit. |
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2008-03-17, 00:59 | Link #75 | |
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Still a space elevator should be designed only for hauling cargo. It should not be used for solar power transference at all when cheaper and better schemes are available. I don't like how Gundam 00 tied the two together. |
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Me? I'd just want to conclude my post by mentioning that I like both series. In case of the fore-mentioned "fantasy" books I prefer the more mature one. The Song.... But in case of Gundam shows, SEED still wins with Gundam 00 in my eyes. But that's mainly because 00 is still not finished. If they carry it out the way they did for a couple of last episodes, I can see myself ending up with three favorite Gundam shows and total inability to decide which is better. |
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2008-03-17, 04:54 | Link #77 |
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@DG86 fanbase? money? lockon coming back? tch..tch. ch
please mizushima isn't influenced by the fanbase trust me edxwinry was the most popular pairing of FMA and did it happen in the series?hell no! also how could the hyaku be an akatsuki imitator when it's around 15 years older then akatsuki? there is a resmblance to wing though, (i recall sunrise even admitting it) I'll write more later.
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As for the set up of the rings. Due to the earth's axial rotation, the way they are set up in 00 would allow for 100% exposure to sunlight. They are far enough from the earth that even as it rotates light will reach the cells. That is, at least, how it appears to be designed. Look at 23 for the zoomed out shot. If they did manage this, said design would be better than a Sun-Sync orbit as the distance for energy to travel would be less, and less energy will be disipated (as heat) to the coldness of space. They're also using microwaves to channel that energy... Oy. Quote:
I assumed that in the 00 universe Fission occured but that, due to mechs, Fusion did not. There has really been no indication of fusion or even a hydrogen bomb. Its foolish of them, from our PoV, to use the elevator for two purposes, but at the same time, it would be even dumber to create a second elevator to just channel energy... Microwaves ... Not to mention economically binding. So while the general idea is idiotic, the subsequent usage is not as bad. |
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