Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 24 [END] Discussion / Poll

[typhonsentra]

Action/Romance, although the romance part obviously never goes anywhere. It's mostly "Kill the big bad monster of this story arc" up until the first 1/3 of Shana II.

[Dbano]

Well actually the first 1/2 of the story has minimum fighting. I think the major fighting erupted at ep. 13. It's actually a nice story.

Spoiler for ending:

However I think the season three will start like how the second season started. Everything will be a misunderstanding, and it would be back to Shana building up courage to tell Yuji how she feels. Anyway Yuji's feelings is still unclear, we still don't know who he really loves.

Anyway it might be for the sake of the story.

[ashe]

i was expecting silver to put up a good fight, but was disappointed! they did rush the episode.
sabrac was the better nemesis who made it difficult for the protagonists. even metamorphosis is presented as if stronger than sabrac.

[Lauren Revolt]

Also agreed that it was pretty rushed, I think an hour long special would have it better justice.

Spoiler for because im not really sure what should be shown:

Considering I havent' read the light novels, did this arc finish up differently then in the original source? I keep reading all this stuff about Yuji and the Snake of Festival merging, so I was kind of expecting something like that to happen - but nothing. I'm really confused just as to whats happens with the whole merging business. Sorry if this isnt the correct place to ask, but I need to know the deal with that, seeing as I wont be reading the novels for quite a long time at their translated rate. Better not to clutter this thread, send me a PM if you want.

Originally Posted by ashe

i was expecting silver to put up a good fight, but was disappointed! they did rush the episode.
sabrac was the better nemesis who made it difficult for the protagonists. even metamorphosis is presented as if stronger than sabrac.

SYDONAY WILL ALWAYS BE STRONGER THAN SABRAC!! That's beacuse he's pure win incarnated as a guze no o ^_^

[AceD]

average ending, how can people vote 10 ? it was another ending of nothingness...the romance side of the story...didnt progress at all...did it even progress at all in season 2 am left wondering...

[Strahan]

Originally Posted by Voracious Hollow

average ending, how can people vote 10 ? it was another ending of nothingness...the romance side of the story...didnt progress at all...did it even progress at all in season 2 am left wondering...

Ditto. I like action, but I am more drawn to romance aspects of shows and I was a little annoyed to see no real progress. I was also annoyed at the way it ended. I like it when we see after-effects of things like that, reactions and such.

If they do a S3 and pull the same sorry "oh, I didn't hear you" crap I swear I'll scream.

[xplicitz]

It felt like they rushed it imo, and I was expecting a better fight from Silver. As for the romance, I've seen many posts saying that it didn't progress at all but at the end, it was safe to assume that Yuji actually made a decision (an obvious decision, no surprise there) no? Yuji grasping the 2 letters and started walking, Yoshida crying, Shana smiling/overjoyed at the end, I think the message was obvious. Well, there might be a season 3 since there's still a lot unexplained or not cleared, if there is, I just hope there's no "reset" on the romance part >_> that'd just be awfully annoying. Overall, it was average, 7-8/10

[Serenity85]

Originally Posted by xplicitz

It felt like they rushed it imo, and I was expecting a better fight from Silver. As for the romance, I've seen many posts saying that it didn't progress at all but at the end, it was safe to assume that Yuji actually made a decision (an obvious decision, no surprise there) no? Yuji grasping the 2 letters and started walking, Yoshida crying, Shana smiling/overjoyed at the end, I think the message was obvious. Well, there might be a season 3 since there's still a lot unexplained or not cleared, if there is, I just hope there's no "reset" on the romance part >_> that'd just be awfully annoying. Overall, it was average, 7-8/10

Actually I don't see them doing a reset this time (the first confession was done as a way to end the series if it never got a 2nd season, since it did a "reset" was needed, as from the noval point of few, Yugi doesn't make a decision to noval 16, or so I've read (here on fourms) Also the decision is important in setting up the next big key event, but less you've seen spoilers you'll have to wait and hope for SnS3.

[othera]

It ended sorda how i thought.

Spoiler for Shakugan no shana:

It ended with silver dying because it had the thoughts of konou, ever since konou was "consumed" i was expecting hacate to fall in love with yuji(konou seemed to really love him, and he spared her life knowing that she was a member of the bel masque) and stop trying to kill all of them or something along those lines. Season 1 had a much better ending but this was still great, only thing i didn't like is they never kissed or anything(watching season 1 i thought that if they kissed it would give shana super powers, look how much stronger she gets holding his hand)

I hope there is a season 3,

season 1 October 6, 2005 – March 23, 2006
season 2 October 5, 2007 – March 28, 2008

I HOPE that they make 3 as fast as they made 2, and have it around oct next year.

Thiss is my new fave anime, and the shakugan no shana-tan is FREAKIN FUNNY AS HELL (seriously, if you havnt seen it you HAVE to!)

Spoiler for Shakugan no shana:

I also got sad and achualy cried at a few points in this anime(literaly, i have not cried in years) at the point konou disapeared at the point shana said i love you, when she was "killed"(even though i knew she would live) i loved the romance in this anime as well as the combat.
Fave lines : URASAI URASAI URASAI and my fave: teach me how to make babies - Man i fell of my chair laughing then.

Spoiler for Question about what happens at the verry end:

Well it shows yuji's footprints disappear, at first i thought shana flew of with him or something, but then i read somewhere that he turns evil or something like that or just vanishes? anyone know? :P

[CuXe]

I positively did not like that ending....... I know that Yuji was destined to end up with Shana but it was extremely f'ing painful to see that Kazumi was willing to give up her life to save Saito and yet she wasn't chosen and ended up crying.....that broke my heart.....

I thought they were ... somehow... going to merge Shana and Kazumi......... ..OR have her die in order to save Yuji after summoning that other hawt and strong chick I don't remember the name of ....

As Seretiny85 said... I hope that if there is a 3rd season they will not try to reset the love triangle between shana, kazumi and Yuji... that would be very painful... Kinda sucks cause they made her somewhat of an important character in this season and just having her disappear in the 3rd season doesn't feel right... at least for me....

I consider that the fight in ep 21 would have served as a much better ending... u know the fight with that king destroyer guy... that one was awesome

This second season was a lot like Zero no Tsukaima were Louise can't bring herself to tell Saito that she loves him.... kinda annoying if u ask me....in some parts I was thinking .. what are u doing Saito!!! LOL ...

The highlight of the series (at least for me) was Marjorie Daw .... gosh I love that chick ... I hope she kills Silver in the 3rd series....

[othera]

^ silver is already dead i think.
The "super hot chick" is pheles :P

And i think that the ending in season 1 was like AWSOME while this one was meh compared to it.

Also i know that many people have said there is <probably> going to be a season 3, but the love triangle ended(that was like the main thing in season 2 -.-) and all that stuff, do you think there really will be? Does it look like they could from the novels(without spoilers )

[CuXe]

Originally Posted by othera

^ silver is already dead i think.
The "super hot chick" is pheles :P

And i think that the ending in season 1 was like AWSOME while this one was meh compared to it.

Also i know that many people have said there is <probably> going to be a season 3, but the love triangle ended(that was like the main thing in season 2 -.-) and all that stuff, do you think there really will be? Does it look like they could from the novels(without spoilers )

Well... there were many things left out in the open... I mean ... Hecate and her group are still out there and since that crazy destroyer guy from Ep 21 was not killed then... u know there is still room for more Shana ... I do hope so!

BTW that OP song (Kawada Mami - JOINT : 01 - JOINT) is dam awesome ... (where is my head nodding emoticon ?!!!! )

[.juvixty]

im sorry.. but the end wasn't that good
i gotta say.. they fight wasn't as good as sabrac's earlier one
i hoped for at least a 3-ep fight for an end, but it was only 2 =(

althought overall, shakugan no shana's appeal was very stong.. especially with JOINT xDD and ye..

=D overall it was good but the end was under my expectations =/

[crystalalien87]

I think she won i enjoyed the episode and i enjoyed watching all of SnS including the movies and specials under 3 days lol.... i hear there is a S3 and it better not be like ZnT S2 or all hell will break loose...now its time for me to pick up on the novels... and find out what makes them so different...

[kupalogz29]

I enjoyed also watching the last episode of SNS ) but I am quite disappointed that shana did not say what she want to say ( until the last episodes huhuhu...

[Mushi]

I read through (most of) this thread some time ago and just did a search in it for "footprints." I've been meaning to offer up my thoughts on that.

Since there's really no evidence that the footprints belong to any of the main cast, it occurred to me that the vanishing footprints may just simply be those of another torch disappearing. A symbolism that, in spite of things working out in the end, and the (apparent) happy ending for Shana, the world continues to go on as usual and they have a future of conflicts to overcome.

This makes me think of the line in the first Shana OP, "Hishoku no Sora:"

Once again, another light has fallen, it has quietly disappeared to somewhere
It’s the reality which doesn’t change day after day

I think it makes no sense for the footprints to be Yuuji's. He has Reiji Maigo restored, there's no reason for him to fade away. And the footprints clearly fade, they don't just suddenly stop as if someone leapt up and flew off.

The only other likelihood is Kazumi. But, just because she's left crying doesn't mean she would be desperate enough to use the hougu that Pheles left her and forfeit all of her power of existence. Pheles told her it was to be used to summon her if Yuuji/Johan was in trouble. I don't see Kazumi being so fragile and fatalistic as to waste it that way when she had the insight not to use it unwisely when Yuuji actually was in danger.

So... yeah.... the footprints are those of a stranger, another fading torch. A symbolism of the sad reality enveloping the mundane world.

Just a thought.

[Kanzaki Urumi]

so much for the hype for silver =-= i am disappointed, such a weak end for S2. I want to see Satou get a better role, for some reason I prefer watching him over Yuji.

Balle Masque's Metamorphosis + Hecate + the cyclops girl seem to be pretty darn strong by themselves, I am puzzled as to why they have to retreat everytime.

[Marcus H.]

I think many people thought that Shakugan no Shana had a bad ending because its too cliffhangery (for lack of good terms :P). But I think they're just playing safe since they can't really congest everything into a 24-episode series. For me, the last episode of Shana Second is a good one despite discovering that the source (the light novels) aren't finished yet.

As for the Silver, I don't think such a powerful being will not fall so easily like that. (And besides, even I, a normal human being, doesn't trust the experiments of the Seeking Researcher.) As for the Trinity, they needed to retreat yet again because their weapon of mass destruction [Hecate] is falling apart due to the effects of the Synchronization with Yuji.

[Akka]

Three answers from the very first pages that sums up my opinion on this :

Originally Posted by DX HBK

Can't there be some anime original enemies in the third season because the Balle Masque is just FUCKIN' BORING! Balle Masque doing this... Balle Masque planning that...

Originally Posted by DeotoxSlayer

Is seriously doubt that Shana actually won, when they make a season 3 they'll make up an excuse for Kazumi being slightly weepy

Originally Posted by Sidestep

Yuji actually choosing someone? Seems way too good to be true. =P

Yup.
Bal Masqué is boring, Yuiji is even more boring and passive, and the predictable "surprises" constantly resets any hint of evolution on the romantic sides.

I was yawning during this episode, and I don't have high hopes of anything actually going somewhere - unless J.C. Staff takes enough flak about their dreadful performance this season.

[Dr. Casey]

Yeah, Bal Masque is pretty boring overall. I've always thought Shakugan no Shana has tremendously dull villains, though... Hecate's the only one I actually care about in the slightest. It's all about the protagonists for this one. I have faith that this season's ending wasn't just a red herring, though, and that the final scenes won't be brushed aside or ignored come the third season.