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tun · 2014-01-09, 16:07

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ReaperxKingx · 2014-01-09, 16:36

"I'll curse you", "I'll become an evil spirit and make you unhappy", I''ll make you even unhappier"

It is going as I feared. Past Banri feelings has escalated to resentment.

sikvod00 · 2014-01-09, 16:43

"Curses"? This whole Ghost Banri thing is plain silly.

ReaperxKingx · 2014-01-09, 16:45

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Originally Posted by sikvod00

Curses? This whole Ghost Banri thing is just so silly.To be honest, I'm getting less and less impressed with this show as it progresses.

I find it inane that Past Banri is treating current Banri's body as himself and wants current Banri to do what he wants. No justification for his actions.

Pesti13nce · 2014-01-09, 16:50

Ghost Banari is really making this series borderline unwatchable to me. Just when you think things are finally starting to move ahead the wonderful little ghost pops up. flippin ghost... what a bitch..

sikvod00 · 2014-01-09, 16:53

Well, yes. Ghost Banri's resentful behavior in this episode serves as more fodder for dumb shipping. If you prefer Banri X Koko, you really hate this thing and it potentially ill-legitimizes Banri X Linda. But that's not what really bothers me. The Ghost Banri construct as a story element is just stupid. Now he's apparently cursing someone by summoning rain and cancelling trips unexpectedly? Where are these powers coming from? Can you still call this symbolism?

ellessarr · 2014-01-09, 17:12

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Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

I find it inane that Past Banri is treating current Banri's body as himself and wants current Banri to do what he wants. No justification for his actions.

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Originally Posted by sikvod00

Well, yes. Ghost Banri's resentful behavior in this episode serves as more fodder for dumb shipping. If you prefer Banri X Koko, you really hate this thing and it potentially ill-legitimizes Banri X Linda. But that's not what really bothers me. The Ghost Banri construct as a story element is just stupid. Now he's apparently cursing someone by summoning rain and cancelling trips unexpectedly? Where are these powers coming from? Can you still call this symbolism?

indeed this stupid ghost just declared war against current banri and making everything he can to destroy current banri life, even making banri make wrong choices like not kiss koko and let her go to the trip with her parents instead of stay with him, really this anime start to look more about "banri vs banri" than about a "love triangle".

linda basically dont need to do many thing, everything will be ghost banri pushingover fault, trying hard to make banri go back to past, too much selfish and coward to using low tricks against banri.

first i was more about "linda" being the big problem but now really the big problem here is his "self past" grudge, this "another personality really need to know his place and go to hell and stop of mess with the peoples around banri life and banri himself.

really the writer is making a good job to make us hate ghost banri.

gasper banri the annoying curse ghost.

Kakurin · 2014-01-09, 17:37

Oh god, I didn't expect it to come that radical, though it was somewhat foreshadowed by that outcry in the last part of the last episode. Seems Ghost Banri / his hidden older self or whatever you want to call him has snapped. And it's pushing it towards a crash rather fast. While I still can understand how he manages to influence Banri into saying Kouko should go with her parents to vacation or deciding not to kiss her the "bad luck" thing (no fireworks due to a thunderstorm, cancellation of the summer camp etc.) has me decidedly on an edge. It could be symbolism, but it touches too much on supernaturality for my taste.

I do feel for Kouko and think her reaction to Banri's statement and action in the park show she does grow (though the meltdown with the yakisoba was tough to see). She must have felt awful inside, but manages to keep herself under control.

Oh, and it seems no commentary on the new opening and ending, yet. Well, still nobody else aside from Kouko and Banri. The opening could be a real cue (or a massive deception) in regards to the development in the second half of the show. Kouko mostly alone and struggling (though she looks great in the opening) with a satisfactory ending. As for the song, highly unusual and I still don't know what I should think about it. In regards to the ending, meh, nothing really to say. The song is in my opinion inferior compared to Sweet & Sweet Cherry.

Sakuratsuki · 2014-01-09, 17:37

What kind of weird OP was that? And that Banri ghost is really annoying. Please someone exorcise him?

jzmagic · 2014-01-09, 17:50

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Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

"I'll curse you", "I'll become an evil spirit and make you unhappy", I''ll make you even unhappier"

It is going as I feared. Past Banri feelings has escalated to resentment.

He's like a petulant kid that yells, kicks, and screams because he doesn't get what he wants.

leokiko · 2014-01-09, 17:53

I don't particularly mind the spirit, it's a nice spin on these kind of premisse.

Kakurin · 2014-01-09, 17:57

What I just don't get about Ghost Banri is, why now? I can understand him for being upset that Banri is afraid of his past and tries to ignore it. But until now it was apperently no big a deal. Not after the conversation with Linda outside the hospital, not when Banri chose to avoid his old classmates due to fear, not when he got fond of Kouko, not when he started to date Kouko. But as soon as Banri decides to fix on Kouko and thereby push the feelings for Linda aside (which most of us agreed is a necessary move at this point in the story) he snaps and curses him?

ellessarr · 2014-01-09, 18:09

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Originally Posted by SigUp

What I just don't get about Ghost Banri is, why now? I can understand him for being upset that Banri is afraid of his past and tries to ignore it. But until now it was apperently no big a deal. Not after the conversation with Linda outside the hospital, not when Banri chose to avoid his old classmates due to fear, not when he got fond of Kouko, not when he started to date Kouko. But as soon as Banri decides to fix on Kouko and thereby push the feelings for Linda aside (which most of us agreed is a necessary move at this point in the story) he snaps and curses him?

and the worse part is not because is "current banri fault" if linda dont want to say who she love him, his linda fault ghost banri can't blame/push current banri to push by force linda to say what he want to hear( who she love him).

he just being selfish in a new creep level.

Dorsai · 2014-01-09, 18:12

Do LindaxBanri shippers realize that to make it happen you must root for that annoying, crying, wimpy ghost, because he is the one in whom Linda fallen in love, right?;p She even said it herself in latest episode, "I was too late, that person i love is not in this world anymore" (she used different words, but meaning behind it was like this).

I dont know whats in this ghost behavior is so suprising, even when we saw him first time in graduation shirt scene it was obvious that this wimp have som serious problems to solve...

AC-Phoenix · 2014-01-09, 18:27

Well a fun episode... When I heaqrd Kokou was going to cook something I immediately thought:
'Its more surprising she can cook than that you can run up the stairs.'

As soon as he wanted to look into the bag I realized that she was going to cheat her way through the cooking, though I expected her to make some instant meal rather than trying to claim the prize for her maids doing.

And moreover the maid apparently playing along without being ordered to, even though she should know what Kokou's parents think about Kokou's relationship with Banri.

As for the ghost, he turned into the typical sandbox bully, by trying to make Banri feel misarable to foget how miserable he himself is.

Oh well lets see how this plays out...

SuitUp · 2014-01-09, 18:32

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Originally Posted by ellessarr

man this ghost really is annoying, someone call a exorcist or the ghostbusters..

Bill Murray's too awesome for this little prick of a ghost.

Benoit · 2014-01-09, 18:37

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Originally Posted by ellessarr

man this ghost really is annoying, someone call a exorcist or the ghostbusters or maybe the winchesters brothers to make this annoying cursing ghost vanish, why him just dont pass away and go to the light already, you are dead man, let the guy have a happy life.

I haven't seen the episode yet, but give the spirit a break. He's the original Banri, the rightful owner of his body that is still alive. He didn't really die.

It's normal to feel more attached to current Banri because he's the main character and gets the most screen time, but never forget that he unwillingly hijacked that body.

Kakurin · 2014-01-09, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Benoit

I haven't seen the episode yet, but give the spirit a break. He's the original Banri, the rightful owner of his body that is still alive. He didn't really die.

It's normal to feel more attached to current Banri because he's the main character and gets the most screen time, but never forget that he unwillingly hijacked that body.

As I've stated above, the issue for me isn't that he's upset over current Banri running away from the life he had. Far from it, Ghost Banri has said it himself, before the last episode he saw him as his younger twin and was looking over him ever since that accident and didn't really object. But now that the door on Linda seems to be closing (or put in other words current Banri choosing not to go the path Ghost Banri wants him to take) he goes out to deliberately mess up Banri's life?

Dop · 2014-01-09, 18:58

Don't be too hard on the ghost of Banri past, he's only a metaphor for Banri's internal struggle with his surfacing old memories and feelings for Linda which he's trying to repress.
This isn't a ghost story.

Kakurin · 2014-01-09, 19:06

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Originally Posted by Dop

Don't be too hard on the ghost of Banri past, he's only a metaphor for Banri's internal struggle with his surfacing old memories and feelings for Linda which he's trying to repress.
This isn't a ghost story.

I'd like to think that, but the producers / author certainly took it up a notch this episode with the misfortune that happened to Banri. Like I said before, could be just symbolism, but this symbolism sure is taking it a bit too far for my taste for Ghost Banri to simply remain a literary device to show his inner conflict.

2014-01-09, 16:07	Link #1741
tun lolwut Fansubber Join Date: Dec 2005	Spoiler: >not kissing Koko someone kill this ghost Banri __________________ Just some old fart passing by in the wind. Last edited by tun; 2014-01-09 at 16:18.

2014-01-09, 17:37	Link #1748
Kakurin 大佐 Join Date: Jun 2013	Oh god, I didn't expect it to come that radical, though it was somewhat foreshadowed by that outcry in the last part of the last episode. Seems Ghost Banri / his hidden older self or whatever you want to call him has snapped. And it's pushing it towards a crash rather fast. While I still can understand how he manages to influence Banri into saying Kouko should go with her parents to vacation or deciding not to kiss her the "bad luck" thing (no fireworks due to a thunderstorm, cancellation of the summer camp etc.) has me decidedly on an edge. It could be symbolism, but it touches too much on supernaturality for my taste. I do feel for Kouko and think her reaction to Banri's statement and action in the park show she does grow (though the meltdown with the yakisoba was tough to see). She must have felt awful inside, but manages to keep herself under control. Oh, and it seems no commentary on the new opening and ending, yet. Well, still nobody else aside from Kouko and Banri. The opening could be a real cue (or a massive deception) in regards to the development in the second half of the show. Kouko mostly alone and struggling (though she looks great in the opening) with a satisfactory ending. As for the song, highly unusual and I still don't know what I should think about it. In regards to the ending, meh, nothing really to say. The song is in my opinion inferior compared to Sweet & Sweet Cherry. __________________

2014-01-09, 17:57	Link #1752
Kakurin 大佐 Join Date: Jun 2013	What I just don't get about Ghost Banri is, why now? I can understand him for being upset that Banri is afraid of his past and tries to ignore it. But until now it was apperently no big a deal. Not after the conversation with Linda outside the hospital, not when Banri chose to avoid his old classmates due to fear, not when he got fond of Kouko, not when he started to date Kouko. But as soon as Banri decides to fix on Kouko and thereby push the feelings for Linda aside (which most of us agreed is a necessary move at this point in the story) he snaps and curses him? __________________

2014-01-09, 18:12	Link #1754
Dorsai Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Poland Age: 38	Do LindaxBanri shippers realize that to make it happen you must root for that annoying, crying, wimpy ghost, because he is the one in whom Linda fallen in love, right?;p She even said it herself in latest episode, "I was too late, that person i love is not in this world anymore" (she used different words, but meaning behind it was like this). I dont know whats in this ghost behavior is so suprising, even when we saw him first time in graduation shirt scene it was obvious that this wimp have som serious problems to solve... __________________

2014-01-09, 18:27	Link #1755
AC-Phoenix Detective Join Date: Aug 2010 Age: 36	Well a fun episode... When I heaqrd Kokou was going to cook something I immediately thought: 'Its more surprising she can cook than that you can run up the stairs.' As soon as he wanted to look into the bag I realized that she was going to cheat her way through the cooking, though I expected her to make some instant meal rather than trying to claim the prize for her maids doing. And moreover the maid apparently playing along without being ordered to, even though she should know what Kokou's parents think about Kokou's relationship with Banri. As for the ghost, he turned into the typical sandbox bully, by trying to make Banri feel misarable to foget how miserable he himself is. Oh well lets see how this plays out... __________________ Those who forget about the past are condemned to repeat it - Santayana Sidenote: I'm seemingly too dumb for my current keyboard, so if you see the same character twice in a row, when it doesn't belong there just ignore it.

2014-01-09, 16:36	Link #1742
ReaperxKingx Emperor of the Expected Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Florida	"I'll curse you", "I'll become an evil spirit and make you unhappy", I''ll make you even unhappier" It is going as I feared. Past Banri feelings has escalated to resentment.

2014-01-09, 16:43	Link #1743
sikvod00 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Miami, FL Age: 37	"Curses"? This whole Ghost Banri thing is plain silly.

2014-01-09, 16:50	Link #1745
Pesti13nce Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Age: 40	Ghost Banari is really making this series borderline unwatchable to me. Just when you think things are finally starting to move ahead the wonderful little ghost pops up. flippin ghost... what a bitch..

2014-01-09, 16:53	Link #1746
sikvod00 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Miami, FL Age: 37	Well, yes. Ghost Banri's resentful behavior in this episode serves as more fodder for dumb shipping. If you prefer Banri X Koko, you really hate this thing and it potentially ill-legitimizes Banri X Linda. But that's not what really bothers me. The Ghost Banri construct as a story element is just stupid. Now he's apparently cursing someone by summoning rain and cancelling trips unexpectedly? Where are these powers coming from? Can you still call this symbolism?

2014-01-09, 17:37	Link #1749
Sakuratsuki Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004	What kind of weird OP was that? And that Banri ghost is really annoying. Please someone exorcise him?

2014-01-09, 17:53	Link #1751
leokiko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	I don't particularly mind the spirit, it's a nice spin on these kind of premisse.

2014-01-09, 18:58	Link #1759
Dop Mmmm.... Join Date: Sep 2006	Don't be too hard on the ghost of Banri past, he's only a metaphor for Banri's internal struggle with his surfacing old memories and feelings for Linda which he's trying to repress. This isn't a ghost story.