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Revolutionist · 2010-01-20, 22:18

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Originally Posted by morbosfist

Galahad was only winning because of future-sight hax. Anyone can play the game well when they know exactly how the enemy will respond (not that Bismarck isn't a good pilot, mind you, just that he had a huge advantage).

Anyway, to put it simply, if Suzaku could beat Bismarck in spite of the hax, so could Kallen, for the simple reason that she's just as good as he is without any hax whatsoever. Suzaku needed the lolhax to win against Bismarck. Against Kallen, Suzaku needed the lolhax just to keep up.

Whatever, all I know is I wouldn't mind throwing my lot against Kallen if I had the Galahad. The machine is strong enough to take out the Guren.

morbosfist · 2010-01-21, 04:35

It wasn't strong enough to take on the Lancelot without cheating. The Guren is even better. He couldn't have beat either of them. The only difference is that Suzaku had to cheat in return to win. Kallen would already have the necessary speed to beat him.

Betteroffer · 2010-01-21, 19:52

The other factor to take into account is the strength of each frame's main weapons; the Excaibur and the Radiant Surger. While the Excalibur is powerful and can create an energy shield around itself, it was still sliced clean down the middle by the Albion's 9th generation MVS's. Later, Suzaku uses these same swords to try and slash Kallen, but she blocks them both with the Radiant Surger.

Thus we can say:
Excalibur < Albion's MVS's < SEITEN's Radiant Surger

In other words the SEITEN's best weapon, which can operate at both close and long range, is notably more powerful than the Galahad's best weapon, which can only function at close range (I'm told it can make slash waves of energy, but I don't recall seeing any in the show). Simply put the SEITEN has a stronger and more versatile main weapon. If the SEITEN's pilot wants to, they can close in on the Galahad, grab the sword like what happened in Narita, and destroy it.

In addition, there is the wide area disabling burst feature that the Guren has. Given the width of the Excalibur in comparsion to the Galahad, I'm skeptical that it could be used to effectively block the bust, meaning at least some parts of the Galahad would be frozen from the attack, thus hampering its movements.

Rising Dragon · 2010-01-21, 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betteroffer

The other factor to take into account is the strength of each frame's main weapons; the Excaibur and the Radiant Surger. While the Excalibur is powerful and can create an energy shield around itself, it was still sliced clean down the middle by the Albion's 9th generation MVS's. Later, Suzaku uses these same swords to try and slash Kallen, but she blocks them both with the Radiant Surger.

Thus we can say:
Excalibur < Albion's MVS's < SEITEN's Radiant Surger

In other words the SEITEN's best weapon, which can operate at both close and long range, is notably more powerful than the Galahad's best weapon, which can only function at close range (I'm told it can make slash waves of energy, but I don't recall seeing any in the show). Simply put the SEITEN has a stronger and more versatile main weapon. If the SEITEN's pilot wants to, they can close in on the Galahad, grab the sword like what happened in Narita, and destroy it.

In addition, there is the wide area disabling burst feature that the Guren has. Given the width of the Excalibur in comparsion to the Galahad, I'm skeptical that it could be used to effectively block the bust, meaning at least some parts of the Galahad would be frozen from the attack, thus hampering its movements.

That would be when it fought against the Shen-Hu, it slashed apart its beam cannon with a single swing, destroying four Black Knight helis in the process.

Betteroffer · 2010-01-21, 22:34

That is only where the Excalibur deflects someone else's energy weapon. What I meant was that I have heard that the Excalibur could be swung and it would release a wave of the purple energy from its tip in a crescent shaped blast, like when anime characters slice the air to throw wind blades at each other, yet we only see it used to deflect someone else's energy weapon in the show itself and never project its own.

In any case the point about their comparative power stands.

morbosfist · 2010-01-21, 22:53

Yeah... it can't do that. Not that it wouldn't be awesome.

Betteroffer · 2010-01-22, 23:15

I'm sort of glad it can't. I know R2 had already pushed well into super-robot territory, but I think slash-beams would still be excessive, and I didn't like that Bismarck could "swat" the Baryon cannon's energy away. I could see him just holding the sword in front of him and letting its barrier deflect the blast around him and into the helicopters, but slapping it was too much. That said, I do think the Galahad would have made more sense if it were given additional weaponry, particularly some sort of long range armaments.

For the record I regard slash harkens as medium range weapons at most, and the Galahad has the issue of losing any harkens affecting its ability to wield Excalibur as effectively.

~~Arbitres~~ · 2010-02-05, 00:35

Guren SEITEN- The sheer presence it has negative and positive effects on enemies and allies respectfully

The design is quite nice, and showed the ultimate level of the Guren in the series.

It was also a plus because the pilot is none other then Karen Kozuki.

Vincent:

1- off because Bobo had one.

2:

1)It's design is quite devilish in my opinion, and it's arsenals are versatile at best, I preferred the Vincent Guilford piloted, however.

2) They were one of the more powerful mass produced near the end, showing the level KMF technology progressed.

...SEITEN will always have my vote, and no other pilot could've made me more amorous then Karen... -fanboy-ish swoon-

The Butcher · 2010-02-13, 10:30

The Guren,and the Lancelot.

What was Lelouch's Knightmare called again?

morbosfist · 2010-02-13, 10:52

Lelouch's Knightmare is the Shinkiro.

~~Arbitres~~ · 2010-02-13, 17:55

His first custom Knightmare Frame was the IFX-V301 Gawain,

His second one was TYPE-0A Shinkirou.

You probably already know their abilities, so I won't name 'em.

Roloko vi Britannia · 2010-02-26, 22:28

I like the Vincent followed by Lancelot Albion and Gurren Seiten

ChildrenOfTheMind · 2010-03-14, 19:58

Lancelot Albion

noni12 · 2010-05-01, 12:03

guren SEITEN :O

Ten-Go · 2010-05-02, 07:23

Mine for Sutherland, a best friend for every men and women in the Britannian military.

Lord Jeremiah · 2010-05-09, 18:38

Galahad is my personal favourite, then Tristan.
However I also liked Gloucester and Gareth models, it's a shame they weren't all that powerful.

Har0 · 2010-05-16, 08:51

I say either the Lancelot Albion or Mordred.

Shizuo · 2010-05-16, 21:48

Not much vocal love for the Shinkiro. It makes me sad. Because it had possibly the most awesome debut in the show. I mean those lasers, man. The freaking lasers!

~~Arbitres~~ · 2010-05-16, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shizuo

Not much vocal love for the Shinkiro. It makes me sad. Because it had possibly the most awesome debut in the show. I mean those lasers, man. The freaking lasers!

The debut was dramatic as hell, to say the least. I also agree with the lasers. Though I prefer SEITEN's debut because half a minute later, Kallen was melting Luciano.

Quote:

I say either the Lancelot Albion or Mordred.

"Tag. Your dead."

wing 00 · 2010-05-20, 08:05

the top three knightmares in codegeass are
1. Lancelot albion
2. guren sertien
3. trisastn
4. gawian

View Poll Results: What is/are your favorite mechs?
Lancelot/Conquista	54	19.22%
Lancelot Albion	144	51.25%
Guren/Kashoshiki	63	22.42%
Guren SEITEN	139	49.47%
Mordred	41	14.59%
Tristan/Tristan Divider	45	16.01%
Galahad	23	8.19%
Seigfried/Sutherland Seig	62	22.06%
Gawain	104	37.01%
Shinkirou	115	40.93%
Zangetsu	42	14.95%
Shen-Hu	40	14.23%
Percival	14	4.98%
Vincents	34	12.10%
Ward/Gloucester/Sutherland/Gareth	16	5.69%
Burai/Glasgow/Akatuski	13	4.63%
The Avalon	23	8.19%
The Ikaruga	18	6.41%
Damocles	24	8.54%
Other	8	2.85%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 281. You may not vote on this poll

2010-01-21, 04:35	Link #142
morbosfist Spinning Lotus Join Date: Jul 2008	It wasn't strong enough to take on the Lancelot without cheating. The Guren is even better. He couldn't have beat either of them. The only difference is that Suzaku had to cheat in return to win. Kallen would already have the necessary speed to beat him. __________________

2010-01-21, 22:53	Link #146
morbosfist Spinning Lotus Join Date: Jul 2008	Yeah... it can't do that. Not that it wouldn't be awesome. __________________

2010-02-13, 10:52	Link #150
morbosfist Spinning Lotus Join Date: Jul 2008	Lelouch's Knightmare is the Shinkiro. __________________

2010-05-20, 08:05	Link #160
wing 00 Member Join Date: Sep 2009	the top three knightmares in codegeass are 1. Lancelot albion 2. guren sertien 3. trisastn 4. gawian __________________ my wings are the wings of both chaos and destiny for i am wingzero

2010-01-21, 19:52	Link #143
Betteroffer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	The other factor to take into account is the strength of each frame's main weapons; the Excaibur and the Radiant Surger. While the Excalibur is powerful and can create an energy shield around itself, it was still sliced clean down the middle by the Albion's 9th generation MVS's. Later, Suzaku uses these same swords to try and slash Kallen, but she blocks them both with the Radiant Surger. Thus we can say: Excalibur < Albion's MVS's < SEITEN's Radiant Surger In other words the SEITEN's best weapon, which can operate at both close and long range, is notably more powerful than the Galahad's best weapon, which can only function at close range (I'm told it can make slash waves of energy, but I don't recall seeing any in the show). Simply put the SEITEN has a stronger and more versatile main weapon. If the SEITEN's pilot wants to, they can close in on the Galahad, grab the sword like what happened in Narita, and destroy it. In addition, there is the wide area disabling burst feature that the Guren has. Given the width of the Excalibur in comparsion to the Galahad, I'm skeptical that it could be used to effectively block the bust, meaning at least some parts of the Galahad would be frozen from the attack, thus hampering its movements.

2010-01-21, 22:34	Link #145
Betteroffer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	That is only where the Excalibur deflects someone else's energy weapon. What I meant was that I have heard that the Excalibur could be swung and it would release a wave of the purple energy from its tip in a crescent shaped blast, like when anime characters slice the air to throw wind blades at each other, yet we only see it used to deflect someone else's energy weapon in the show itself and never project its own. In any case the point about their comparative power stands.

2010-01-22, 23:15	Link #147
Betteroffer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	I'm sort of glad it can't. I know R2 had already pushed well into super-robot territory, but I think slash-beams would still be excessive, and I didn't like that Bismarck could "swat" the Baryon cannon's energy away. I could see him just holding the sword in front of him and letting its barrier deflect the blast around him and into the helicopters, but slapping it was too much. That said, I do think the Galahad would have made more sense if it were given additional weaponry, particularly some sort of long range armaments. For the record I regard slash harkens as medium range weapons at most, and the Galahad has the issue of losing any harkens affecting its ability to wield Excalibur as effectively.

2010-02-05, 00:35	Link #148
~~Arbitres~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Jan 2010	Guren SEITEN- The sheer presence it has negative and positive effects on enemies and allies respectfully The design is quite nice, and showed the ultimate level of the Guren in the series. It was also a plus because the pilot is none other then Karen Kozuki. Vincent: 1- off because Bobo had one. 2: 1)It's design is quite devilish in my opinion, and it's arsenals are versatile at best, I preferred the Vincent Guilford piloted, however. 2) They were one of the more powerful mass produced near the end, showing the level KMF technology progressed. ...SEITEN will always have my vote, and no other pilot could've made me more amorous then Karen... -fanboy-ish swoon-

2010-02-13, 10:30	Link #149
The Butcher Butchered Taste Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: North Carolina	The Guren,and the Lancelot. What was Lelouch's Knightmare called again?

2010-02-13, 17:55	Link #151
~~Arbitres~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Jan 2010	His first custom Knightmare Frame was the IFX-V301 Gawain, His second one was TYPE-0A Shinkirou. You probably already know their abilities, so I won't name 'em.

2010-02-26, 22:28	Link #152
Roloko vi Britannia The Dark Empress Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Battleship Hyperion Age: 33	I like the Vincent followed by Lancelot Albion and Gurren Seiten

2010-03-14, 19:58	Link #153
ChildrenOfTheMind Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Lancelot Albion

2010-05-01, 12:03	Link #154
noni12 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	guren SEITEN :O

2010-05-02, 07:23	Link #155
Ten-Go Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: State of Clarity	Mine for Sutherland, a best friend for every men and women in the Britannian military.

2010-05-09, 18:38	Link #156
Lord Jeremiah Orange-kun Join Date: May 2010 Location: Landan	Galahad is my personal favourite, then Tristan. However I also liked Gloucester and Gareth models, it's a shame they weren't all that powerful.

2010-05-16, 08:51	Link #157
Har0 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Age: 30	I say either the Lancelot Albion or Mordred.

2010-05-16, 21:48	Link #158
Shizuo Bartender Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: For my safety, I'm going to say Australia... Wait... Age: 32	Not much vocal love for the Shinkiro. It makes me sad. Because it had possibly the most awesome debut in the show. I mean those lasers, man. The freaking lasers!