(L) Rosario+Vampire Manga

[Ghanw]

^The manga is a monthly released towards the end of every month (correct me if i am wrong) but takes time for it to get scanlated so you are going to have to wait like us if you cant read Japanese.
Also there are magazine releases but those i have no idea when they are released.

[Tempest35]

Spoiler for Chapter 59-2:

Tsukune would be a very valuable experimental case. While they can't hope to seal Alucard enough so that he reverts back to the vampire that he was before he went nuts, if they can seal Tsukune, who has gone past his limits (he hasn't now, but I'm pretty sure that he'll go even farther than when he nearly succumbed during the Human Mod Ritual), they can concievably come up with a new and better seal for Alucard.

BOND
As for the 'bond', while it did allow for Moka to be able to talk to Tsukune that one time, I do suspect that it also kept Tsukune from outright attacking Moka when he went Ghoul the first time. It's hard to say if it was that or that Moka simply didn't give him time to act, but when Kurumu stood in his way, he attacked her pretty quickly. All the while when Moka was attacking him, he seemed almost confused; he had an expression of 'Why is she attacking me?' - almost like an animal that obeyed its instincts and killed the pet parrot that had freaked out on its owner.

I can only imagine that Moka will be 'stuck' to Tsukune as much as she can, making him avoid fighting and also trying to train herself up to where she can access the Shinso blood within her. Of course, I like to think that Akasha might play a role in that, with supplemental lessons for Tsukune in just controlling himself in general (especially around her maturing daughter )

[zibi88]

Originally Posted by Ghanw

^The manga is a monthly released towards the end of every month (correct me if i am wrong) but takes time for it to get scanlated so you are going to have to wait like us if you cant read Japanese.
Also there are magazine releases but those i have no idea when they are released.

If I remember SJ magazine gets released 4th of each month... so we usually get the chapter early compared to the official shop sale (some people have subscriptions and they got their hands on the magazine early)

but generally its up to scanlation group about when the chapter will be released... now a new year so people have fun... I guess durring end of this week we will get the scanlations

[-Necromancer-]

Ghanw: Thank you very much ^_^

[Soji]

Tempest35@

Spoiler for spoiler:

Wait now that you remind me that part ,you right Ghoul Tsukune was more on the defensive and confuse on why Moka attack him while with kurumo and the other attack without give them time to react.
Hell in that part he put gently Moka to the ground and he was already ghoul that time.
Also now that i think about there is othere scene when Tsukune was pretty much ghoul and not attack Moka but instead protect her.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Soji

Tempest35@

Spoiler for spoiler:

Wait now that you remind me that part ,you right Ghoul Tsukune was more on the defensive and confuse on why Moka attack him while with kurumo and the other attack without give them time to react.
Hell in that part he put gently Moka to the ground and he was already ghoul that time.
Also now that i think about there is othere scene when Tsukune was pretty much ghoul and not attack Moka but instead protect her.

Spoiler for 59-2,Tsukune:

True, now that we know what to look for, we could find plenty of examples that show the fact that Tsukune and Moka have a similar bond as Akasha (Moka) and Alucard.

It makes me wonder, what other hints, we might have overlooked, regarding Tsukune's transformation.

Not to mention, if we can find so many details about this, that far in the past chapters, then I wouldn't put it past Ikeda, to hide some other details, about the future events.

For example (and I know, it's kind of unrelated to the discussion about Tsukune, but that's the only other detail, that I have found, so far) the hint that the Rosario seal might break, causing Outer Moka to disappear - done in the 2nd chapter of the First Season - Moka asked him, if he would still like her, if that happens and Tsukune answered that he will.

Or the fact that, apparently Tsukune heard Inner Moka talking to him, through the Rosario, in chapter 11 of the first season, which has been one of the first hints that some kind of bond is being established between them.

And that have been just the easier hints, that might be foreshadowing some future events - there might be some more of them, hidden in the past chapters of the manga.

[ShinsoSan]

Spoiler for Chapter 59-2:

What I'm more interested in is what kind of responsibility the bus driver is entailed to, to Tsukune. He reminded Tsukune of it in season 1 chapter 13 when they were preparing to go to human world on a field trip. I'm thinking we'll get answer as to what really was going on when Tsukune was enrolled to Yokai Academy because I doubt it was just his finding an accidentally placed enrollment slip by some dude that suspiciously looked like Mikogami. I doubt anyone would disagree with me about the guy being Mikogami but I don't think it was ever confirmed if it was him or not.

For connections with Moka I think it is nothing more than a simple connection because of her blood. I think Moka asking Tsukune if he would still like the other moka if the seal breaks is a pretty obvious sign to us now that Omote will not come back or be the same if she comes back. Note that I think that Omote is actually just a part of Moka and here is my theory:

As omote disappears though this 'filter' (the rosario) it transitions to the real Moka hence how both Mokas said they would work together in that chapter in the plane. If you guys read that chapter in the plane you could see the inner Moka has become a little bit nicer than usual. It might've been all along that Ura and Omote were not the 'real' 'full flesh' Moka. Do you guys understand what I'm saying? To continue on by what I meant is that Rosario filters out the fighting Moka into the seal and her light part of personality out so in essence the Inner Moka and Outer Moka are two halves of a complete person but in their own way are complete.

There is no guarentee this is right though. I kind of have some doubts and I don't like the thought of it. All it means that all along Ura might not have cared at all for Tsukune if it was not for the seal breaking and omote going into Ura if this theory is correct. That and the series would be really boring. But I can't support any other theories about the two personalities other than this one along with Ura and Omote being a twin theory which I've heard in other places.
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Also on the topic of the three Dark Lords teaching Tsukune.. I think that is related to why he came to the school in the first place. He learns way faster than normal people as pointed out by Ruby. There has to be some reason why Mikogami and the Bus Driver observe Tsukune.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by ShinsoSan

Spoiler for Chapter 59-2:

What I'm more interested in is what kind of responsibility the bus driver is entailed to, to Tsukune. He reminded Tsukune of it in season 1 chapter 13 when they were preparing to go to human world on a field trip. I'm thinking we'll get answer as to what really was going on when Tsukune was enrolled to Yokai Academy because I doubt it was just his finding an accidentally placed enrollment slip by some dude that suspiciously looked like Mikogami. I doubt anyone would disagree with me about the guy being Mikogami but I don't think it was ever confirmed if it was him or not.

For connections with Moka I think it is nothing more than a simple connection because of her blood. I think Moka asking Tsukune if he would still like the other moka if the seal breaks is a pretty obvious sign to us now that Omote will not come back or be the same if she comes back. Note that I think that Omote is actually just a part of Moka and here is my theory:

As omote disappears though this 'filter' (the rosario) it transitions to the real Moka hence how both Mokas said they would work together in that chapter in the plane. If you guys read that chapter in the plane you could see the inner Moka has become a little bit nicer than usual. It might've been all along that Ura and Omote were not the 'real' 'full flesh' Moka. Do you guys understand what I'm saying? To continue on by what I meant is that Rosario filters out the fighting Moka into the seal and her light part of personality out so in essence the Inner Moka and Outer Moka are two halves of a complete person but in their own way are complete.

There is no guarentee this is right though. I kind of have some doubts and I don't like the thought of it. All it means that all along Ura might not have cared at all for Tsukune if it was not for the seal breaking and omote going into Ura if this theory is correct. That and the series would be really boring. But I can't support any other theories about the two personalities other than this one along with Ura and Omote being a twin theory which I've heard in other places.
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Also on the topic of the three Dark Lords teaching Tsukune.. I think that is related to why he came to the school in the first place. He learns way faster than normal people as pointed out by Ruby. There has to be some reason why Mikogami and the Bus Driver observe Tsukune.

Spoiler for 59-2:

Regarding Outer and Inner Moka, the theory you pointed out, has already been revealed of being incorrect. After all Outer Moka, revealed in chapter 53 that she is an artificial personality based on Akasha, and while the emotions and feelings she has, are real, for now, there hasn't been anything mentioned, that would disrupt this revelation.

Regarding Inner Moka, the reason why her personality starts to become so different, in the latest chapters, is caused by the fact that

- her cold and harsh exterior, that she developed to protect herself, from losing someone important to her, starts to crumble, after Tsukune said that she's not alone and that he will protect her - this has been, well explained in chapter 54.

- She also thought that Tsukune would eventually run away from her (chapter 55)

Basically speaking, Inner Moka has been more or less suppressing her emotions, nearly all the time, and it was only recently that she started showing us her "true" personality.

Of course, due to what is currently happening to Tsukune, and what Gyokuro said to her, she has been put into a quite heavy emotional trauma.

Regarding the reason why Mikogami and the Bus Driver are so closely watching Tsukune, is two fold, in my opinion:

1.) It's because he is the only human, who has managed to survive a injection of Alucard's and Akasha's merged blood, I have no doubt that they would want to have Tsukune survive and gain control over his transformation, no matter what.

2.) They see him, as someone who can bring out an option of achieving coexistence between humans and ayashi. After all, we can see, in a minor scale what Tsukune can achieve, despite being originally a normal human, since the current membership of the Newspaper club, has been gathered, due to the influence of Tsukune.

[ShinsoSan]

Originally Posted by Chris38

Spoiler for 59-2:

Regarding Outer and Inner Moka, the theory you pointed out, has already been revealed of being incorrect. After all Outer Moka, revealed in chapter 53 that she is an artificial personality based on Akasha, and while the emotions and feelings she has, are real, for now, there hasn't been anything mentioned, that would disrupt this revelation.

Regarding Inner Moka, the reason why her personality starts to become so different, in the latest chapters, is caused by the fact that

- her cold and harsh exterior, that she developed to protect herself, from losing someone important to her, starts to crumble, after Tsukune said that she's not alone and that he will protect her - this has been, well explained in chapter 54.

- She also thought that Tsukune would eventually run away from her (chapter 55)

Basically speaking, Inner Moka has been more or less suppressing her emotions, nearly all the time, and it was only recently that she started showing us her "true" personality.

Of course, due to what is currently happening to Tsukune, and what Gyokuro said to her, she has been put into a quite heavy emotional trauma.

Regarding the reason why Mikogami and the Bus Driver are so closely watching Tsukune, is two fold, in my opinion:

1.) It's because he is the only human, who has managed to survive a injection of Alucard's and Akasha's merged blood, I have no doubt that they would want to have Tsukune survive and gain control over his transformation, no matter what.

2.) They see him, as someone who can bring out an option of achieving coexistence between humans and ayashi. After all, we can see, in a minor scale what Tsukune can achieve, despite being originally a normal human, since the current membership of the Newspaper club, has been gathered, due to the influence of Tsukune.

Spoiler:

I saw that chapter and I believe there are some things we still don't know yet about the seal but you are correct that it is proven wrong. The only thing I find wrong with jumping to the conclusion omote will disappear is that she has been there since the beginning, literally.

Also thanks for reminding me of Moka's realization. XD I totally forgot about coming out of the shell. I viewed it from a whole different perspective.

As for points 1) and 2) is that not weird that they knew Tsukune would do well with achieving and surviving that goal? Not that we know exactly what they did to find Tsukune but it all interests me more than what is going on now. More than likely with the pacing of this story and how in-depth Rosario + Vampire is there will be a huge revelation on Tsukune later. I have no doubt on that. Especially since he is the protagonist of this series. Of course it would be cliche but I think we all would like some background on Tsukune. We know very little on him about what he did when he was little other than his cousin describing him.

[zibi88]

Spoiler for ...:

well Mikogami and bus driver mostly knew that tsukune is a human... but I wonder if they choosen tsukune for a reason.... there were many humans but why him... does it have to do with some kind of prohpecy that pinpointed him... or there was somone from tsukunes family tree that was an ayashi who married a human...

hard to tell but they insisted so much for him to stay there...making threateneing propositions... like if tsukune doesnt stay and join the paper club mikogami will kick out moka from school.... maybe we will learn something later...


and well mokas mental and emotional status is heavy....she had that scared expression with a tear in her eye... when she saw tsukune releaseing the 2nd seal... and the thing he said "before this body breaks down"... those words mostly done the biggest impact... she is scared shitless that soon he who she loves will disappear for good with no way baack... and it will be all her fault (like how her mother disappered)

another question is "who is miyabi" I mean we never saw his true form except those knockles like bones on his hand when fighing kiria... maybe he is releaed to alucard somehow (while tsukune is related to akasha-alucard)

so my guess is that 3rd season will be related to mask king, miyabi and akasha (the same tsukunes condition)


for now we need to clear this situation... and maybe learn who is "jasmine" from akuas memories and what happened to her...


ehhh I wonder when the chapter will come out...since its a pain with all those spoiler tags...

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by ShinsoSan

Spoiler:

I saw that chapter and I believe there are some things we still don't know yet about the seal but you are correct that it is proven wrong. The only thing I find wrong with jumping to the conclusion omote will disappear is that she has been there since the beginning, literally.

Also thanks for reminding me of Moka's realization. XD I totally forgot about coming out of the shell. I viewed it from a whole different perspective.

As for points 1) and 2) is that not weird that they knew Tsukune would do well with achieving and surviving that goal? Not that we know exactly what they did to find Tsukune but it all interests me more than what is going on now. More than likely with the pacing of this story and how in-depth Rosario + Vampire is there will be a huge revelation on Tsukune later. I have no doubt on that. Especially since he is the protagonist of this series. Of course it would be cliche but I think we all would like some background on Tsukune. We know very little on him about what he did when he was little other than his cousin describing him.

Spoiler for 59-2:

Yeah, Outer Moka has been present from the beginning of the series, and compared to Inner Moka and the other girls, her character stayed mostly the same, till the current arc.

True, she had some developments, from time to time, but generally speaking they had a minimal effect on her character development, since I don't remember any major changes (apart from maybe, starting to fight from time to time, using a hammer, and that her hatred of humans, seems to have been reduced, due to Tsukune's influence) happening to her, since the beginning of the series.

Now there could be two reasons, why Ikeda has been doing something like that:
1.) He didn't want to reveal the truth about Outer Moka too early, and is saving her major character developments, for the time, after this revelation occurs.

2.) He has been planing to make Outer Moka disappear, from the start, and that's why he didn't want to spent so much effort, on developing her character, unless it was absolutely necessary.

Now, I know that may sound harsh, but I'm leaning toward the second option, as being more likely, considering the fact that we can find hints that Outer Moka might disappear as far as the second chapter, of the first season, and considering how in-depth Rosario + Vampire is, I have no doubt that those hints aren't a coincidence.

On the Tsukune related discussion, the only thing that I currently would find somewhat remotely interesting about his back story, is how he was able to survive the multiple injections of the combined Akasha - Alucard Shinso blood, and maybe the reason why Tsukune was "invited" to the Youkai Academy.

Only those two things, are the plot points, that I think should be explained by the author, and while they might provide us with some interesting revelations, unlike you, I'm not having too much confidence about it, since I think that Tsukune's life, before he entered Youkai Academy, has been a pretty ordinary school life, that everyone has went through at some time, and reading about something like that, in a manga, well ... doesn't suit my taste...

@zibi

(Since, I don't plan, to reveal anything, from the latest chapter, it can probably be posted, without the spoiler tags )

I think that the reason why Tsukune was chosen, by the Headmaster, is because of his personality, and blood taste , which made him into a good partner for Outer Moka (and eventually, Inner Moka, as well).

In the same way, Hokuto's admittance into the Academy, was probably based on the personality traits, that made Kiria, interested in him.

In other words, I doubt that Tsukune had any sort of genetic predisposition to survive the injection of Moka's blood - the primary thing that, I think the Headmaster wanted to do, is to allow a few "chosen" ayashi to develop some "honest" relationships with a "ordinary" human, proving that coexistence between monsters and humans is possible, and the "transformations" that Tsukune and Hokuto go through, is only a side effect of that "choice".

At least that's my current speculation on this topic... we will have to wait and see, what Ikeda himself is going to say about this topic..

[ShinsoSan]

I wonder how Mikogami found Tsukune if it was his personality.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by ShinsoSan

I wonder how Mikogami found Tsukune if it was his personality.

Well, it might have not been Mikogami who has found Tsukune, but the Bus Driver.

After all, it was mentioned in the first season (I can't remember the actual chapter number), that the Bus Driver fells sort of responsible for Tsukune and what happens to him.

It has been also shown, that he has some mysterious ability to find out, what is actually happening in the human world, despite not actually even being there, so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that he can also use this ability to find some specific person, who... for example would have a matching personality to the one, that Outer Moka has got.

At least that's what comes to my mind, at the moment...

[ShinsoSan]

Originally Posted by Chris38

Well, it might have not been Mikogami who has found Tsukune, but the Bus Driver.

After all, it was mentioned in the first season (I can't remember the actual chapter number), that the Bus Driver fells sort of responsible for Tsukune and what happens to him.

It has been also shown, that he has some mysterious ability to find out, what is actually happening in the human world, despite not actually even being there, so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that he can also use this ability to find some specific person, who... for example would have a matching personality to the one, that Outer Moka has got.

At least that's what comes to my mind, at the moment...

I mean Mikogami and his league* My bad

Anyways more than likely it is probably the bus driver being the one who enters the human world often. I think the potential is shown there. I'm not 100% sure about this but it looks like a lot of his time is spent in the human world. Note that the bus driver comes from that 4th dimensional tunnel.

Also another thought on:

Spoiler for Chapter 59-2:

I think Touhou is a little too busy with Issa at the moment plus he seems to be on the verge of death. I think the one person who will help Tsukune out of this problem is Akua. She won't be the only person but... Not just for her barrier/seal knowledge but maybe just knowledge from staying with Gyokuro.

If any scene has proven Tsukune's loyalty to Moka it was this chapter. If Akua saw what just happened in 59-2 more than likely she'll have second thoughts of Tsukune. I have no doubt in my mind she WILL be redeemed in some way in the next chapter or after that if Ikeda brings the next few chapter pages up to 30. I believe it simply because of Tsukune thinking of Akua as a "child sunken in sadness". Another thing to take into consideration is that Gyokuro just punched Moka, if anything I think that is a sign that Akua has to get her ass down there and work with Tsukune if Akua is still conscious anyways.

But going over the evidence on techniques we have there is very little we have on Akua. We do know she can create barriers to destroy seals and that did take awhile to make however it has shown us Akua is capable of other things other than Jigen-Tou. As shown with Omote. We also know that she is very good at high level dimension techniques as remarked by Touhou & Akasha.

I know everyone is opposed to the idea of Akua's redemption in several forums but it all makes sense if you look at every single person Tsukune has ever forgiven (Hint: 90% of his friends were people that attacked him at one point or another).

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by ShinsoSan

Also another thought on:

Spoiler for Chapter 59-2:

I think Touhou is a little too busy with Issa at the moment plus he seems to be on the verge of death. I think the one person who will help Tsukune out of this problem is Akua. She won't be the only person but... Not just for her barrier/seal knowledge but maybe just knowledge from staying with Gyokuro.

If any scene has proven Tsukune's loyalty to Moka it was this chapter. If Akua saw what just happened in 59-2 more than likely she'll have second thoughts of Tsukune. I have no doubt in my mind she WILL be redeemed in some way in the next chapter or after that if Ikeda brings the next few chapter pages up to 30. I believe it simply because of Tsukune thinking of Akua as a "child sunken in sadness". Another thing to take into consideration is that Gyokuro just punched Moka, if anything I think that is a sign that Akua has to get her ass down there and work with Tsukune if Akua is still conscious anyways.

But going over the evidence on techniques we have there is very little we have on Akua. We do know she can create barriers to destroy seals and that did take awhile to make however it has shown us Akua is capable of other things other than Jigen-Tou. As shown with Omote. We also know that she is very good at high level dimension techniques as remarked by Touhou & Akasha.

I know everyone is opposed to the idea of Akua's redemption in several forums but it all makes sense if you look at every single person Tsukune has ever forgiven (Hint: 90% of his friends were people that attacked him at one point or another).

Spoiler for 59-2:

To me, that development ... would be pretty much, out of nowhere - I mean, there is pretty much nothing suggesting that Akua is even remotely aware of the fact that Tsukune has acquired Akasha's blood, or even knows, what happens to someone who would want to obtain it.

We don't even know, if she is still alive, considering the fact that she has been thrown into some, quite big pile of rubble, and it has been mentioned by Inner Moka, that Akua, has a quite fragile body.

So, a development, like that, would be a quite surprising plot twist to me...

In Tohou Fuhai's case, considering how he reacted to Tsukune's transformation, during the HMT incident, I think getting Tsukune back to a more normal state, would have a higher priority for him, then his fight with Issa.

Also, during his one month training, he might have researched some way of getting Tsukune back to a more "normal" state, if it would become necessary.

Overall, I think that Tohou Fuhai has a lot more higher possibility, of being the one who will "save" Tsukune, compared to Akua, but we will have to wait for the next chapters, to see what is actually going to happen...

[Raxnom]

Strange, looked at 50-2 RAW's. At the very end it says continued in march issue. Shouldn't it be February issue because this one was for January. One month break for Jump SQ magazine?

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Raxnom

Strange, looked at 50-2 RAW's. At the very end it says continued in march issue. Shouldn't it be February issue because this one was for January. One month break for Jump SQ magazine?

No, the Jump SQ magazine ... and probably some other monthly released magazine's are just numbered one month ahead of the month, when they are actually released.

So the next chapter is going to be released in the next month, as usual.

EDIT: And the translation is out, in the usual place

[Libros]

where exactly is "the usual place"?

[Von Himmel]

I need to say this but that Tsukune transformation really reminds me with Ludger corpse shell from xillia 2.

..oh and that fusing bodily fluid sounds kinda lewd too.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Libros

where exactly is "the usual place"?

Since it's a licensed manga, I can't post the direct link, Google "mangaholic" or "Rosario mangaupdates" and you will definitely find it.

Anyway, I would say, it was quite a good chapter. We have finally learned some new information about Tsukune's transformation, and in the next chapters I believe that we will see the steps taken, to avoid the worst option, from occurring.

And I would say that it was enjoyable to see that Tsukune has developed into such a badass...

I also wouldn't say that all the facts about Tsukune's transformation have been revealed to us, there is going to be obviously some more information that haven't been revealed to us, since I doubt that even Gyokuro knows about everything that is happening within Tsukune's body...