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Madara | 104 | 32.91% | |
Madara’s Son | 14 | 4.43% | |
Madara’s Clone | 30 | 9.49% | |
Madara’s Ghost/Soul/Poltergeist given shape... | 33 | 10.44% | |
Obito | 59 | 18.67% | |
Obito’s Body, but not really Obito... | 55 | 17.41% | |
Someone else’s body (not Obito’s)... | 21 | 6.65% | |
Zetsu’s Love Child... | 23 | 7.28% | |
Tobirama/Sarutobi/or anyone with a 'tobi' in their name... | 16 | 5.06% | |
Bruce Wayne or other… | 69 | 21.84% | |
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2010-07-24, 16:23 | Link #261 | |
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As for him missing limb, I just did not notice that at all. When was that? I mean I just went back to chapter 502 and 503 and didn't see him missing anything. |
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Glad to see we can continue our discussion. I will try and be more civil, but please feel free to point out whenever I go too far.
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To put it another way, which makes more sense: Zetsu finding a gravely wounded/missing-body-parts-Madara after the VotE battle, partially healing him with goo, and Madara consequently being weaker than he was before; or Zetsu, already working with Madara somehow (or maybe just keeping hsi eyes...no we need Obito's eyes, okay maybe he summons Madara's soul), finding Obito's (confirmed dead) body (why didn't he steal any of the working Uchiha bodies?), and seemingly either shoving Madara in it, summoning Madara in it, or somehow putting Madara in the dead body. Now, I am not being mocking or otherwise derisive when I ask this obviously rhetorical question, rather I am simply stressing my own thought process needed to explain Madara as Tobi with backing by Zetsu. (I wholly acknowledge that Madara as Tobi (without the extra helpings) is less interesting, and more simplistic.) Quote:
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Now, for a partial bit of speculative support for Madara in a Zetsu-clone body - 1) Despite the fact that he was using Pain's cloning technique, Itachi stated that he could not use MS in the clones body; consequently, if Madara is in a Zetsu-clone body, and the clones body follows a similar rule system to Pain's clones, it is possible that Madara cannot use his MS. 2) Since Zetsu-clone bodies are malleable, it is possible that Madara can change his face at will - this would explain why he was able to get Kisame to believe that he was a Mizukage, and this would also explain why Itachi queued the failsafe for Madara's eye, not his face. (Obviously, this could also lead to other characters pretending to be Madara as Tobi, but I will leave that speculation alone for now). (Obviously this is speculation and should be treated as such.) edit: I've posted in this thread too much recently, so I'll take a break for now. Last edited by james0246; 2010-07-24 at 21:21. |
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2010-07-24, 21:11 | Link #264 |
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one thing for sure...
Tobi is an old guy... and once became a Mizukage... this is the number 1 evidence that Tobi might not be Madara as you can see here.... Kabuto said "I would come greet you, Tobi" If kabuto knows he's the real Madara then he would have said "I would come greet you, Madara" and he said... "excuse me... You go by Madara this days, Dont you?" -> isnt this supposed to be suspicious?? I think kabuto knows he is a fake Madara...
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2010-07-25, 08:05 | Link #265 | |
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Furthermore, Tobi is dripping blood during that fight. The chain he's carrying is going through its hand, much like anything else physical can go through him. There is no gap. |
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2010-07-25, 15:30 | Link #267 | |
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2010-07-25, 16:23 | Link #269 | |
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2010-07-25, 16:56 | Link #270 | |
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He's twelve, got crushed under a rock, but survived. His best friend and master is still alive, he can still return to his village which, as far as he's concerned, hasn't done a thing to him. So, in the spawn of two years, instead of doing that, he somehow learns how to control the Kyubbi, learn time space jutsu, goes against his old master and village, tries to kill his son etc. This makes no sense at all. As for Tobi being the same height as Kakashi, that's not actually true since Kakashi is about a head smaller than a full grown man in chapter 503. |
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Note that Tobi does not display the crows feet or heavy eyelids that the wrinkly Chiyo and Danzou have. And then combine this observation with our knowledge that Zetsu created other body parts for Tobi. The features of Tobi's face do remind me of Spoiler for image:
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i agree. the body Tobi is using is a younger/remodeled version. by his own admission at the kage summit, Madara wounds were too deep during his fight with the first and he is a mere shell of his former self, so i doubt he is moving around trying to control the nine tails with that beat up ol'body
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2010-07-27, 08:05 | Link #276 |
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Just saying. For me its definetly obito's body, but it might be Madara's brother controlling him behind the scenes. Or someone els, maybe zetsu!!! This fits with the theory of kabuto's coffin containing madara and kabuto saying :''your secret is save with me''.. |
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2010-07-27, 16:16 | Link #280 | |
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On the other side of the mask we are missing an eye hole. I don't know if this has been covered yet, but could it be because he used Izanagi during his fight with Hashirama (to save his life) at some point and has never been able to open his eye again, reguardless of translpant? I noticed something else when looking back through the flashbacks... from childhood to his fight at the VotE Madara has long hair. The next time we see him he has short hair in his fight against Minato. When talking to Sasuke about Itachi, when he mentioned Itachi found him, he is shown with long hair again. This is (12 years?) after? When he shows up with Zetsu after Sasori's death, he again has short hair. Does this mean anything? |
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