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X2007 · 2007-09-27, 15:54

Spoiler for SD:

To be honest, I didn't really like the game nor this series too much. They merged several routes from the game together for the animation. Though I'm glad that they made a new ending for the animated series. From someone who has played the game which was already partially animated, it would've been like watching a recap if they kept it intact. And not to mention majority of the good endings were weak, full of plot holes and it wouldn't fit the alternate route they've created for this series.

An issue with this episode is that it probably was too much for people who didn't expect it, and it was probably in an unairable state by public standards, hence it wasn't aired on the UHF stations. Though if you've played the game or read up on SD, you should've been well aware of this possibility. And this possibility arose at around ep09 or 10 with Setsuna's incident. And it was justified in ep12 that Kotonoha believed this entire time that Sekai was behind Setsuna's affair with Makoto to prevent Kotonoha from getting close to him.

I think majority of the people are forgetting that this anime is a port from an eroge with a weak romance setting and infamous for the bloody scenes. Girls fall in love and stick with the main character for no reason. Nobody questions the fact that characters suddenly disappears out of the story line like they never existed, like all the side characters in SD in the end and their parents. Though they managed to fix some of this issue by merging several routes together.

With that said, I don't think they did a bad job with the ending with the source they were provided. It was something new indeed. You really can't compare ep12 to what happened in the game since the routes taken are completely different and pushed Kotonoha into a higher psychopathic state, which is shown by her actions taken. As I've stated earlier, I expected a bad ending from the beginning of this series, so it met my expectations by displaying the gruesome scenes.

I think the boat scene at the end was a mere coincidence as Kotonoha mentioned about going on a yacht trip with Makoto in the previous episodes as someone else has mentioned. As already having to heavily edit the piece for airing on at-x, I really doubt they would waste their valuable resources to satisfy the fans for a brief humor.

The "Nice boat." comment spread on the Japanese net like a wildfire and has its own definition (Source in Japanese): http://d.hatena.ne.jp/keyword/Nice%20boat

Anyway, as I've said before, they did a decent job for what they were provided. Give the ending 9/10. But overall the series was about a 7/10. I think the series would've been worse if they just left the game intact with the plot holes.

ipernorris · 2007-09-27, 15:58

A fetus isn't a person guys...

It doesn't count as an homicide.

hcl4 · 2007-09-27, 16:00

Strange but doesn't the Japanese version of RE4(BH4) have no decapitations? I guess this "no decapitations" rule they have in Japan only applies to games and not other media like anime.

As for the anime I don't even know if I would want to watch the full uncensored version upon hearing whats in there.

Rembr · 2007-09-27, 16:01

Let's shift the focus back a bit.

Makoto, when he dies, utters Sekai's name with his hand on her stomach.

Sign of regret? Finally coming to terms with the fact that he does have a child?

Pregnancy bit is still ambiguous but... Meh, I think she was.

Xellos-_^ · 2007-09-27, 16:02

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Originally Posted by ipernorris

A fetus isn't a person guys...

It doesn't count as an homicide.

if you live in the US. It depends on what state and tri-mester and who is proscuting and his/her polictical/religious affilations is. Also depends on if the Proscuter is looking to get a life sentence or Death sentence.

changeup · 2007-09-27, 16:04

Well, it all depends on where you live. I think over here people consider every fertilized egg a human being...... (this can be a little bit extreme)

To me, I would say 6-month fetus is absolutely human being, since they could survive even they were delivered then. But I am not sure where the earlier limit should be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ipernorris

A fetus isn't a person guys...

It doesn't count as an homicide.

Chewy · 2007-09-27, 16:05

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Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Impossible. For the sake of the argument lets say she definetly was pregnant, there's no way a baby that early in its development would even make any noise.

Haha, yeah I know, there was supposed to be

at the end of my post indicating I was joking. But when he mentioned noises and the baby I did initially think of baby noises regardless of how biologically impossible I knew it was.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rembr

Let's shift the focus back a bit.

Makoto, when he dies, utters Sekai's name with his hand on her stomach.

Sign of regret? Finally coming to terms with the fact that he does have a child?

Pregnancy bit is still ambiguous but... Meh, I think she was.

He knows he's gonna die, so he wants his seed to live on to carry on Tomaru's evil genes ?

EDIT: Ok, that didn't make much sense since Tomaru's genes are in nearly everyone in the 0verflow world..

changeup · 2007-09-27, 16:06

I think yeah, this is the case. In the game ending "to my child", Makoto also regreted. In the TV ending it is too ambiguous. However I would believe so.

Makoto, after all and above all, was not a demon. He just let his libido get the best of him......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rembr

Let's shift the focus back a bit.

Makoto, when he dies, utters Sekai's name with his hand on her stomach.

Sign of regret? Finally coming to terms with the fact that he does have a child?

Pregnancy bit is still ambiguous but... Meh, I think she was.

Hypernova · 2007-09-27, 16:06

About the "nice boat" it could very well be the reverse of what people are suggesting. They may have chose that show exactly since it had a cruise ship in it serving as a clue that someone will be sailing into the sunset.

changeup · 2007-09-27, 16:09

It is pretty possible that Kanagawa TV station chose that scene out of this reason.

This being said, there had been nice castles, nice mountains, nice lakes, nice fields, nice bulls and nice farmers in that scene. Why people only remember the "nice boat"? A little weird...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hypernova

About the "nice boat" it could very well be the reverse of what people are suggesting. They may have chose that show exactly since it had a cruise ship in it serving as a clue that someone will be sailing into the sunset.

**Klashikari** · 2007-09-27, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by changeup

I think yeah, this is the case. In the game ending "to my child", Makoto also regreted. In the TV ending it is too ambiguous. However I would believe so.

Makoto, after all and above all, was not a demon. He just let his libido get the best of him......

the thing is Makoto is very very different from the game.
In the game, it is "kinda" possible for him to care about the baby, as the guy has basically feelings.
The issue is that makoto is more affected by a inexistent will, and then his undecisiveness.

while the anime, it is rather lack of common sense/consciousness and high libido.
Thus, his "regret" for the baby is kinda OOC for the anime, imo.

Meh, we nearly had swimming lesson...

Chewy · 2007-09-27, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klashikari

the thing is Makoto is very very different from the game.
In the game, it is "kinda" possible for him to care about the baby, as the guy has basically feelings.
The issue is that makoto is more affected by a inexistent will, and then his undecisiveness.

while the anime, it is rather lack of common sense/consciousness and high libido.
Thus, his "regret" for the baby is kinda OOC for the anime, imo.

Meh, we nearly had swimming lesson...

Yeah, I don't remember Makoto ever hinting at anything close to an abortion in the game. He actually cared about the fact Sekai was pregnant.

Overall, anime Makoto was a lot more heartless than game Makoto.

changeup · 2007-09-27, 16:13

According to Otome's comments and Setsuna's memory, Makoto, at least, used to be a caring and kind guy...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klashikari

the thing is Makoto is very very different from the game.
In the game, it is "kinda" possible for him to care about the baby, as the guy has basically feelings.
The issue is that makoto is more affected by a inexistent will, and then his undecisiveness.

while the anime, it is rather lack of common sense/consciousness and high libido.
Thus, his "regret" for the baby is kinda OOC for the anime, imo.

Meh, we nearly had swimming lesson...

Rembr · 2007-09-27, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hypernova

About the "nice boat" it could very well be the reverse of what people are suggesting. They may have chose that show exactly since it had a cruise ship in it serving as a clue that someone will be sailing into the sunset.

The 25-minute long scenery show barely had a minute of that boat scene, and it was 4 minute into the show. Plus how the meme formed around the boat is also random - the originator could've easily have said "Nice castle." or something.

This is all just a coincidence.

Vash002 · 2007-09-27, 16:16

I gotta say about this...

Damn, where's the "Just as planned" image when i need it?

The end was disturbing, with that nice boat and head...

Hypernova · 2007-09-27, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by changeup

It is pretty possible that Kanagawa TV station chose that scene out of this reason.

This being said, there had been nice castles, nice mountains, nice lakes, nice fields, nice bulls and nice farmers in that scene. Why people only remember the "nice boat"? A little weird...

I wouldn't be surprised if the very original "nice boat" comment was a plant by the producers to serve as a quote and to generate meme for additional hype.

**Klashikari** · 2007-09-27, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by changeup

According to Otome's comments and Setsuna's memory, Makoto, at least, used to be a caring and kind guy...

Yes correct, this is basically the reason why both girls have a crush on him, either in the anime and in the game.

But considering the new media, it appears the scripters just wanted to give a more twisted vision of it.

The only redeemable qualities of Makoto in the game was probably his "kindness" (as he can be absurdely concerned for nothing sometimes), and inability to say "no" . The later obviously turn into one of his most dreadful default: an inexistent force of will. (*cough* lounge scene with kotonoha *cough* )
In general, Makoto isn't that bad in the game (he is still a very top grade moron though, deserving death

), but his undeciveness, his "will" and various plot devices (namely situation which are forced to the player) lead to the infamous mess in the game.

if we remove this part, we got the "beast", having nearly every defaults to command a trainwreck.

While it was a "bit" logic that some girls would have a crush on him (though there are various plot holes (who said hikari path!?)), it is completely surrealist in the anime.

kenjiharima · 2007-09-27, 16:19

black blood? Sheesh...

Spoiler:

Sinestra · 2007-09-27, 16:20

I love at the ending when we see several of the support characters going about their daily routine at school like nothing happend. Point is? There is life after School days life goes on and straight to CLANNED god i cant wait

Thank god for Lovecom or i would have gone nuts

Hypernova · 2007-09-27, 16:20

Boy the chinese subbers are hard working. Watching the sub at this moment.

View Poll Results: School Days - Episode 12 [END] Rating
Perfect 10	231	49.89%
9 out of 10 : Excellent	60	12.96%
8 out of 10 : Very Good	38	8.21%
7 out of 10 : Good	30	6.48%
6 out of 10 : Average	10	2.16%
5 out of 10 : Below Average	5	1.08%
4 out of 10 : Poor	11	2.38%
3 out of 10 : Bad	11	2.38%
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2007-09-27, 16:19	Link #178
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	black blood? Sheesh... Spoiler: But at least that cherry poping SOB is dead Iam 100% satisfied. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2007-09-27, 16:20	Link #179
Sinestra ション (^^) IT Support Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Freedom Guard Ship Amaterasu	I love at the ending when we see several of the support characters going about their daily routine at school like nothing happend. Point is? There is life after School days life goes on and straight to CLANNED god i cant wait Thank god for Lovecom or i would have gone nuts __________________

2007-09-27, 15:54	Link #161
X2007 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	Spoiler for SD: To be honest, I didn't really like the game nor this series too much. They merged several routes from the game together for the animation. Though I'm glad that they made a new ending for the animated series. From someone who has played the game which was already partially animated, it would've been like watching a recap if they kept it intact. And not to mention majority of the good endings were weak, full of plot holes and it wouldn't fit the alternate route they've created for this series. An issue with this episode is that it probably was too much for people who didn't expect it, and it was probably in an unairable state by public standards, hence it wasn't aired on the UHF stations. Though if you've played the game or read up on SD, you should've been well aware of this possibility. And this possibility arose at around ep09 or 10 with Setsuna's incident. And it was justified in ep12 that Kotonoha believed this entire time that Sekai was behind Setsuna's affair with Makoto to prevent Kotonoha from getting close to him. I think majority of the people are forgetting that this anime is a port from an eroge with a weak romance setting and infamous for the bloody scenes. Girls fall in love and stick with the main character for no reason. Nobody questions the fact that characters suddenly disappears out of the story line like they never existed, like all the side characters in SD in the end and their parents. Though they managed to fix some of this issue by merging several routes together. With that said, I don't think they did a bad job with the ending with the source they were provided. It was something new indeed. You really can't compare ep12 to what happened in the game since the routes taken are completely different and pushed Kotonoha into a higher psychopathic state, which is shown by her actions taken. As I've stated earlier, I expected a bad ending from the beginning of this series, so it met my expectations by displaying the gruesome scenes. I think the boat scene at the end was a mere coincidence as Kotonoha mentioned about going on a yacht trip with Makoto in the previous episodes as someone else has mentioned. As already having to heavily edit the piece for airing on at-x, I really doubt they would waste their valuable resources to satisfy the fans for a brief humor. The "Nice boat." comment spread on the Japanese net like a wildfire and has its own definition (Source in Japanese): http://d.hatena.ne.jp/keyword/Nice%20boat Anyway, as I've said before, they did a decent job for what they were provided. Give the ending 9/10. But overall the series was about a 7/10. I think the series would've been worse if they just left the game intact with the plot holes.

2007-09-27, 15:58	Link #162
ipernorris Senior Member Join Date: May 2007	A fetus isn't a person guys... It doesn't count as an homicide.

2007-09-27, 16:00	Link #163
hcl4 Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Strange but doesn't the Japanese version of RE4(BH4) have no decapitations? I guess this "no decapitations" rule they have in Japan only applies to games and not other media like anime. As for the anime I don't even know if I would want to watch the full uncensored version upon hearing whats in there.

2007-09-27, 16:01	Link #164
Rembr Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	Let's shift the focus back a bit. Makoto, when he dies, utters Sekai's name with his hand on her stomach. Sign of regret? Finally coming to terms with the fact that he does have a child? Pregnancy bit is still ambiguous but... Meh, I think she was.

2007-09-27, 16:06	Link #169
Hypernova Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virgo Supercluster, Milky Way, Orion Arm, Sol, Earth, Taiwan Age: 38	About the "nice boat" it could very well be the reverse of what people are suggesting. They may have chose that show exactly since it had a cruise ship in it serving as a clue that someone will be sailing into the sunset.

2007-09-27, 16:16	Link #175
Vash002 Ready to Boast Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hinamizawa	I gotta say about this... Damn, where's the "Just as planned" image when i need it? The end was disturbing, with that nice boat and head...

2007-09-27, 16:20	Link #180
Hypernova Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virgo Supercluster, Milky Way, Orion Arm, Sol, Earth, Taiwan Age: 38	Boy the chinese subbers are hard working. Watching the sub at this moment.