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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 109 | 57.37% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 44 | 23.16% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 11.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 4.74% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.05% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.53% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.53% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.53% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.53% | |
Voters: 190. You may not vote on this poll |
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2008-03-07, 12:00 | Link #441 | |
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In spite of only wielding generic weaponry, these GN-X match the performance of the Gundams in every other way - they can even take direct hits of weak beam weapons without damage, unlike every other MS in 00 besides the Gundams, and rip through the GN barrier thing. |
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2008-03-07, 12:19 | Link #442 | ||||
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It's more of a matter of whether it's a good decision to squander their opportunities simply because an unexpected element showed up. Quote:
In general, the blocs didn't really perform badly because they were unable to cope with new circumstances - it's more a matter of failing to capitalize on their own advantages and opportunities. Quote:
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Instead, modern militaries perform all manner of simulations - the most pertinent one of which would be Agressor squadrons.
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2008-03-07, 16:21 | Link #443 | |
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2.Well if thats true that means that Tiera is using Shield modulation which any smart person would do working with shield. Using the same frequency over and over in battle is a bad idea. That means that the so called "traitor" know what frequencies Tieria is using. I find this hard to believe unless Veda also records and maintains that kind of data which would not be impossible given how much data Veda already has. I still find it strange I figured the GN-X's energy were on the same principals as the Thrones it doesn't add to me.
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2008-03-07, 17:11 | Link #444 | |
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Shinn was very one-dimensional, which is why I don't like him.
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2008-03-07, 20:30 | Link #445 | ||||
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What im getting at is that you dont want to loose your best resources in one battle unnecessary. Hence y caution is needed. If they can pump out GN x's every day then that isnt a problem. But as far as we know there is just only 30 of them. So caution is required when deploying irreplacable units on the battlefield. So yes you can win a battle by throwing away your best resources, but i hate to see how you are going to survive the war. Quote:
Episode with the meisters being suprresed for 12 hours or so. Had constant artillery and aeiral bombardment firing at enemy positions for extreme duratons. Even tho the destructon of enemy units (Gundams) is minimal but the long psychological stress may lead to Shell shock. This method softens up miltary targets for the incoming offense from the forward positions waiting for the assult phase. This is commonly used at bombarding fortified positions or enemy fixed positions extensivly in WW1 and WW2 specificily in trench warfare. Plus we already seen some some buddyup system between the meisters EG. setsuna and tiera vs the thrones as well as few others that i cant remember in detail. |
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2008-03-07, 21:06 | Link #446 | ||
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You can make an argument that the newtype dolphins from Gundam X are presented more believably than a pink-haired pop star commanding galaxy armies like they're miniature bouncing haro's...Presentation is the key as I've told you more times than you can sprinkle some Lacus dust at...Mizushima said clearly and concisely how he was gonna craft this show, so to go into it with no understanding for this and thinking Gundam pilots are gonna be doing twirl-moves and circles of death while getting there angst-fest on puts the pie in your face...Unlike you I can deal with changing my expectations based on the presentation and enjoy the other soulful elements the show is producing (Mostly in the conceptual realm, storytelling, and characterizations...In addition to the awesome yet contained action)... This show has established that it's not gonna be over-the-top teeny drama with a guy hugging a dead Nicol's redcoat for twenty minutes with donut-glaze coming outta his eyes as the 13 year old female Japanese audience ratings spike...This ain't that type of party man and you knew that, yet you still b!tch and moan about what you knew wouldn't be...This show is almost the complete antithesis of the SEED universe and it seems to be perfectly crafted to that end, yet still flashy and cool enuff to attract viewers like yourself (Obviously less extreme)...I like Rau and Kira (not GSD Kira unfortunatley) and lots of those dramatic elements in the CE, but a third round of this following GSD's tragic legacy is like pumping bee-bee gun pellets into a dead rat that's already been run over twice... I mean I ain't gonna lie, Gundam 00 isn't necessarily doing everything on my checklist for my perfect Gundam show...Sure I'd love more ideological banter between pilots while in the heat of battle (probably my favorite aspect of Gundam), but I don't throw out the baby if the bathwater is still at a good temperature...Gundam 00 doesn't always give me precisely what I want but it gives me what I need, and keeps me off balance as a viewer...And perhaps the ultimate soul isn't the words spoken during fights (Unless it's my favorite character Graham), but it's found in so many other things I can't be swayed...Additionally the show is so equally crafted to cater to audiences of various longings, it's hard not to find something to enjoy, but only YOU could even top yourself...
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2008-03-07, 21:27 | Link #447 |
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That's a possibility... We didn't see the GN Field getting penetrated by anything on Earth... But when in space, it could be penetrated by a smoothbore gun at close range(Ep 10) and some GN-T beam shots(Ep 21).
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A convenient way of thinking of the Gundams is equating them to modern terrorists - would a first world country balk at the chance of taking down the world's most wanted men just because they might stand to lose some high-end military hardware and some elite troops? By the way, the only "war" that the power blocs are engaged in at the moment are against Celestial Being, so they don't exactly stand to lose it just because a few GN-Xs go down. Quote:
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By the way, I thought that "shell shock" was due to exposure to all sorts of combat conditions over a prolonged period of time - over the course of weeks and months. While the name may imply suffering due to artillery bombardment, I'm under the impression that it's much more of a general description rather than a precise one. Moreover, I believe that the combat records in both World Wars are rather conclusive that prolonged artillery bombardments weren't particularly effective against well-prepared positions.
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2008-03-08, 03:23 | Link #449 | ||||||||
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Besides that is a call from the CO so if higherups are unpleased the CO will feel the weight behind his bad decsion. Bad calls WILL always happen. Ive seen it too many times in IRAQ and Afganistan. Quote:
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My origional argument is that i can see within reason y the withdrawl order was issued. Doesnt mean i totally agree with it. Quote:
Im only refering to the scenes when they were using some form of tactics. But this is anime.. they know how to F**K it up. Quote:
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Combat stress reaction, in the past commonly known as shell shock or battle fatigue, is a military term used to categorize a range of behaviours resulting from the stress of battle which decrease the combatant's fighting efficiency. The most common symptoms are fatigue, slower reaction times, indecision, disconnection from one's surroundings, and inability to prioritize. Combat stress reaction is generally short-term and should not be confused with acute stress disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, or other long-term disorders attributable to combat stress although any of these may commence as a combat stress reaction. Hope this clear this up that exposure to shellshock doesnt take weeks or months. Surgeon said the closest thing to shellshock if possible is to be in a room with people and have an earthquake for long duration and still have some similar effect to shellshock but still far from it. |
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By the way, why did she print out the wiki article? You seem to be referring to something different from the medical condition of shell shock - not all the people who were shelled suffer from it, and certain sufferers had never been shelled at all.
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No idea... perhaps she was busy and gave me a quick fix. And thx for letting me know im just reading it up now. Ok im not even going to start. Your taking my VERY GENERALISED and obvious words FAR out of context from my origional post. |
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2008-03-08, 14:32 | Link #452 | |||
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1. They weren't fully tested, and the pilots didn't have much opportunity for seasoning. 2. They weren't given the kind of support (reserves, reconnaissance, etc.) that you'd expect for truly irreplaceable units. 3. They were still sent in despite the high chances of suffering significant casualties. 4. Instead of being concerned with losses to the GN-Xs, the leaders focused on the possibility of having mass-produced versions in the near future. Quote:
- Drawing off escorts to attack main targets. - Using prepatory artillery to soften a target before the main assault. - Exploiting weak points to attack a fortification. And so on. I don't consider them to be particularly impressive, but then again, the same goes for the tactics shown in Gundam 00. Off-topic: Quote:
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2008-03-09, 07:54 | Link #453 |
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I have to agree with the guys who says the tactics in Gundam are rudimentary at best. You really can't expect them to follow our world's conventions, no less the convention of a conventional war. Because both the machines and the wars are fought so unconventionally.
Also, most high tech suits never do seem to have a support system that is evident since they're always used in dire situations. Even with the UN forces, there supposedly aren't many GN Drive units that would be suitable for Gundam support. Which is what Ptolemaios was doing all along. |
2008-03-10, 22:15 | Link #454 | ||
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4tran i wont argue point to point. You are having a seperate argument from my core orginal statement. My original statement is that i saw the reason the order of withdrawal which i found within reason, and backed it up with some points. Never once did i say i agreed with it or would of done the same.... Which has led to this back and forth arguments about small things to back up our replies. Your arguments are based on what you would of done and your belief of been the best course of action. I wont argue you with that. But we both are arguing two differnt things here. So im going to stop. You have your right to believe that the withdrawl orders is stupid. Im sure an agressive confident officer will agree with you. But this is patrick and his a dick. He doesnt seem to be the type that would stick around for long if his @$$ is getting owned. Thats if he survives long enough to get out in time. Quote:
I retyped it. Just the prargraph was printed out so had no idea it came from wiki. She told me she was halfway from an emergency to give me a photocopy from a medical book. Havnt been back to base since then. Last edited by winter45; 2008-03-10 at 23:18. |
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Off-topic: That's a shame that you had to do all that.
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2008-03-11, 04:16 | Link #456 | ||
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Meaning i was too awed at kira just beam spamming or athrun having yaoi moments or shinn crying over his sisters cell phone to realise there were some tactics being displayed. So its my loss i didnt see it. Last edited by winter45; 2008-03-11 at 04:57. Reason: added extra paragraph |
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2008-03-14, 19:31 | Link #457 |
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Someone probably already stated this about Lockon getting hurt, but:
They probably have some type of auto-sealing mechanism built into the space suit in case of shrapnel wounds. Sort of like run-flat or self-sealing tires on a car. We don't actually see a gaping hole in the helmet glass either, merely stress fracture lines. |
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Ah, I see. They spared Louise in episode 18 because they were out to get Kinue all along. I feel a bit sorry for Saji now. I kind of liked Kinue, though she really should have listened to any girl's mother and not got into a car with a strange man.
It was great to see the Gundams finally picking on someone their own size. How does it feel when the shoe is on the other foot, huh? And for an incredibly contrived reason Graham didn't take part in this mission. Can't have the mission actually succeeding, now can we? Good stuff nevertheless. And I must bash Sumeragi once again. I wasn't going to, but I am forced to live up to my reputation as a blind Sumeragi basher. Su-chan gets +2 points for thinking up of a backup system to Veda, very clever. She gets -2 points for STILL not coming up with a proper alarm system even after the HRL/Ptolemaeus skirmish. Another -2 points for expecting an attack by Gundams but not coming up with any proper plan to fend them off. For example why not place the ship in an asteroid belt to give your troops some cover? Plus then you could set up an ambush or lay traps and it's much easier to run away if necessary. ....I accidentally read the thread for episode 21 of Season 2 and got hit with spoilers Dang, wish I hadn't seen that.
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