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Why? With the DRAGOONs attached, it can be independently transferred to another ship.
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Of course it's going to affect the HiMAT System. Christ, you're switching between spectrum ends. You say it's not at all a problem that Kira can adapt to something's changes instantly without any aid "because that's how the show depicted it", yet you protest this minor a change? Make up your damn mind.
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That the unit will be more independent and be at full capacity at any given moment with all of its equipment than without.
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The last time we had a big debate about the Strike Freedom, particularly in Kira's skill level in Destiny. Specifically on how he adjusted to a new mobile suit with a radically different wing formation without any prior experience on how it'd handle in-atmosphere.
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the big deal is that the dragoons are useless on earth, they can't be detached, they can't be fired while attached, and the himat wings can function without them perhap even better in earths environment. they are just heavypeices of metal weighing the strike freedom down on earth and holds it back and that is a massive design flaw especially for mobile suit that was clearly designed for earth and space battle
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2014-10-17, 23:10 | Link #11847 |
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To be fair, any mobile suit with mobile bits is going to perform worse in the atmosphere than out. That's kind of inevitable.
And it's not like the Strike Freedom is useless on Earth... It keeps up with two of the best mobile suits in the universe without taking damage. It is powerful enough... |
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There seems to be some misunderstanding about the HiMAT system..
First of all it's 2 things, it's hardware and more importantly, software. By definition HiMAT is actually a software that run's on top of the Gundam OS. According to official info: it an "atmospheric flight configuration". Like that of modern fighter aircraft I guess, except more advanced since the freedom has way more moving parts. That brings us to the hardware side of things. The HimMAT is not just about giving the mobile suit lift, nor is it about pure speed. It's basically a system that allows the Freedom to make optimal use of it's ion pumps, trusters, and the large wing system (I guess that's the 'main' thing) to twist, turn and brake in a small rotation circle by controlling airflow. I don't think it's THAT special tbh. All Gundam units must have a system similar to this (especially the ones with wings).. It's just that the Freedom has a separate unit for it.. However, It is probably the best one in CE, since that's what the show illustrates. (despite all the sock-footage) Now that I think about this.. The HiMAT mode probably requires a shit of computational power to operate. If you think about what it takes to keep a modern aircraft in the air, in comparison the required processing power for a winged Gundam is just mind boggling. But the processing power of the Freedom must be even several times over that since it has a separate system for it. The VL system, although more impressive, is probably unrelated to the HiMAT. Because software wise it's way less complicated and doesn't requite the same kind of processing power. Therefore It makes sense to assume that's VL is part of the Main OS, like that of Destiny. VL vs HiMAT is open for debate (I think the original Freedom's HiMAT is the best), but Monster is right in saying that they are two separate things.
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I never said they were the same system, okay? But it doesn't change the fact that VL-System, separate or not, is integrated into the goddamn wings, which open up with the HiMAT system! Why can't you people understand that?
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Yeah, I compare the HiMAT to the fly-by-wire systems on modern not-so-aerodynamic planes. It's a computer that removes the downside of losing maneuverability because of high speed and/or flawed aerodynamic design by taking advantage of more moving lift surfaces.
I'd imagine that with or without the VL, it would still give the SF the same performance in terms of maneuverability. The addition of the VL just makes it faster. How do you know that the wings can only open up with the HiMAT system? |
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Not explicitly, that I know of at least, but we can imply it based on everything else we've seen in the series. We know from Stargazer that Voiture Lumiere is a type of propulsion system that uses a different means of accelerating than convenional mobile suits. We also know the High Mobility Aerial Tactics system coordinates the suit's control surfaces and thrusters to maneuver the suit. Thrusers can't work without the avionics system telling it where to apply thrust even when they're completely one-directional, at which point they can no longer be used for mobility, and we know the SF's VL thrusters are pointed at something like 45-degree angles all around so they're obiously being used for more than just speed. Either the HiMAT system is controlling the VL to aid in maneuvering, or the VL has nothing to do with maneuvering whatsoever. The latter possibility is just ludicrous.
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What I was thinking is that the VL can be used for maneuvering both in space and in the air a la Destiny. It's just that the HiMAT is also there for Freedom/Strike Freedom just for the atmospheric portion without relying on the use of the VL. I don't know if the Freedom has thrusters on its wings, but even if it does, it's certainly not as powerful as the VL. So the HiMAT can be used in place of the VL, or they can be used together. Rereading the HiMAT definition, it really puts more emphasis on the configuration of the wings rather than mentioning the use of thrusters, not that thrusters don't play a part in the overall flight mechanism. |
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They retconned it again to show the dragoons can be shifted out of place to allow the VL to kick in in atmosphere (though it's only used for one brief second only on the Blu Ray of Destiny remaster)
That being said SF arrived from Orbit and did not return to a ship until the battle was over. If it dumped the dragoons in the water as soon as the fight started unless they were able to find and fish them out and they weren't ruined by being soaked in seawater for hours, SF would be dragoonless until it got back to Eternal, which had already gone back to hiding and wouldn't meet up with AA again for about 5 episodes. AA wouldn't have any, SF was a brand new machine that hadn't been stationed on it before and there was no time to dock with AA and leave them there because Kira was needed to fight the instant he arrived. So SF would be dragoonless even in space if they were attacked before meeting up with Eternal. That's also another good reason as why he didn't leave them in Eternal from the start. |
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Well, I finished it. I'll post more final thoughts on Destiny and the series over all, but before that I wanted to write this down before I forgot it.
Although there aren't any good Natural pilots in the series, I think I'd die if one were to say this; "Looks like he died of.../glasses Natural causes!" |
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