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good one. I like it.
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2004-11-18, 17:35 | Link #82 |
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Thats a stupid quote.
A freedom fighter is a fighter that fights to achieve freedom. Thats all. How he does this and what his methods are is not important. On the other hand this means, that freedom fighters are not "good" per definition. Also if the palestinians are not fighting for their freedom, what are they fighting for then? |
2004-11-18, 18:00 | Link #83 | |
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I don't think you are suppose to take that literally. If so, anyone can be a freedom fighter for any cause. Someone can take hostages and kill innocent people to force the US to free Saddam. Is this person a freedom fighter then? I don't think so considering who he's trying to rescue. Say for example Hitler didn't commit suicide and he was captured at the end of WW2. If a group of people commit vile acts of murder and mayhem in trying to rescue Hitler, are they freedom fighters as well? I think we can draw some distinctions between freedom fighters and terrorists. Because if we follow your case, every terrorists have a right to call themselves freedom fighters.
Those people who killed Margaret Hassan (director of CARE) in Iraq are NOT freedom fighters. They are terrorists but according to you, they can be classified as freedom fighters because they are supposedly fighting for the "liberation" of Iraq and would fit the criteria of "freedom" fighter. Those people are NOT freedom fighters. Quote:
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2004-11-18, 18:11 | Link #84 | |
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true..
then I need to be more precise: fighting for the POLITICAL freedom [of a minotity/nation/religious group]. I think what makes the difference is, that freedom fighters dont fight for themselves or for their leader to gain power, but for people in general or some idealitsic idea. Noone said their methods would be more acceptable, only because their goals are. Quote:
Thats excatcly what that first quote means: "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." |
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2004-11-18, 18:26 | Link #85 | |
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Sorry but I don't buy it. The act has to be justifiable. If the target is/are an innocent bystander(s), then they are not freedom fighters, they are terrorists. Hurtling a plane into a building full of civilians is a terrorist act. Suicide bombing a bus filled with innocent bystanders (with children) is a terrorist act. Killing Margaret Hassan is a terrorist act. These people are terrorists, not freedom fighters.
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2004-11-18, 21:15 | Link #86 | |
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It's not as if other people (and leaders) haven't made decisions where they've had to weigh up whether the ends justify the means, make a small sacrifice for the greater good. Perhaps that's what many of these people feel they're doing. I can only guess, because I don't think I'll ever be able to truly penetrate the mindsets, the thoughts of people who do such things. Of course, that's providing you consider one life to be any less valuable than several, whether a sacrifice is something that can be measured so mathematically or numerically and whether every human action deserves, requires or justifies an equal or opposite reaction. SCC |
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