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Jean's Yoki obviously gave her a HUGE boost in strength, because she was able to actually pierce Dauf's armor enough to hurt him, but no utterly devastate him like Jean's attack did. So at this point Galatea probably around an an "A" in strength. Quote:
Other ABs appear to have an impossibly hard time injuring Dauf, and they normally have much higher strength then a Claymore. (Exceptions being obvious.) Another thing worthy of note is that Galatea could knock Miata around, despite Miata having superior strength, (as made incredibly obvious by the latest chapter, where the weakened Miata almost pulled an Awakened #2's body around.) when she used her Yoki, her special circumstance (alot easier to reach then Jean's) , so theoretically her strength spikes above Miata's in those situations. (although Miata could very well have a A+ in strength)
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2008-02-03, 21:00 | Link #1022 |
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No, it's not just high speed + average strength. Galatea specifically says it's the thrust with both the highest speed and the greatest power. That means that neither Raphaela nor Ophelia nor anyone else can put as much power behind a thrust, no matter how unbelievable that seems to you.
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2008-02-03, 21:02 | Link #1023 | |
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Also the way she coiled her arm stores alot of energy which would when released boosts her strength the drillsword is probably the most powerful and devastating attack seen in claymore so far. |
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2008-02-03, 21:04 | Link #1024 |
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Geez, you've obviously not seen Gurren-Lagann. Drilling can pierce anything, even towards the heavens. That's why Jean's attack was more desirable than either Clare's or Galatea's. But I'm willing to bet that had it been Teresa, Priscilla, Raphaela, Sophia, Ophelia or either Twin were to face Daph, that armor may as well be butter. I don't recall whether it has been established that Maita was stronger than Galatea. At least Galatea scoffed at the idea.
Maybe it would help to define what was meant by power. If we talk about the product of mass x acceleration, then Jean's B level strength x her acceleration x the rotation of her sword is the power of her attack. If it isn't that, then you'll have to tell me cuz I really don't know. All that someone like Ophelia or Raphaela would need is to increase the mass and or the acceleration to a comparable level, though that rotation is gonna be hard to beat. I think the Rippling Sword can do it. |
2008-02-03, 21:09 | Link #1025 |
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She admitted that Miata was AT LEAST stronger then her Yoki-wise, she was not so sure about anything else (but she probably could tell that Miata was not right in the head.)
And yes, I have seen Gurren Lagann, but they had a whole lot of Spiral power behind their attacks, so planetshattering attacks aside, that has nothing to do with this. :P If Raphaela or Ophelia used alot of Yoki, probably, but not to the same degree Jean does. The rest of the people you listed have a + in their strength, cept for Teresa, who most people agree that the Org probably didn't know exactly what she was capable of. Also note that even with Irene's B in strength, Clare's Flash-sword (which is slower, but probably still as strong) was completely unable to pierce his skin. (thus negating the theory that B strength is enough to pierce his armor, same with Galatea for that matter, until she used Yoki.)
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2008-02-03, 21:26 | Link #1031 |
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No, I've already addressed that at the time she made her comment about Jean, she had not met the twins, probably had never met Raphaela either, and Ophelia was dead, and Undine doesn't count. She wasn't strong, she was releasing yoki to distort her body and artificially make her stronger than she normally would be.
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2008-02-03, 21:34 | Link #1034 |
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Sure. She also knew about the existence of Alicia and Beth. That knowledge is no indicator that they've met. I doubt Galatea knows that Raphaela having the power of a number one is stronger than her, as it's not even apparent that the resident snoop Miria even knows of Raphaela's origins. With Raphaela used mainly for covert ops, it's also not likely that they've worked together. All anybody would know about Raphaela is that she's number 5 and she's good at sneaking up on people.
I think that my misstatement is being taken literally. Let me rephrase. That's right. No one of the 47 she had compared Jean to had been people she had met who had the strength needed to deal with Daph. The reason is that 1) she had never met the twins, 2) Ophelia is dead, and 3) she is likely unaware of Raphaela's origins and that she has the power of a number one. So she gives Jean that complement based on information that is incomplete. Half the people we have stats on whose strength is A are not half the people whom Galatea knows is around. There was just Jean she could count on at the time for the reasons I've stated above. |
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Even if your statement is true about Undine, her strength was still ranked at an A, which means her strength should have been greater then Jean's even with the Drill-sword if your theory was correct.
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Also all the top claymores from Teresa's generation apart from Priscilla who was a newbie seemed to know each over fairly well and the new generation seems to be the same so I don't see why Clare's generation would be any diffrent apart from maybe the twins and Raphaela. Last edited by Newhope; 2008-02-03 at 21:53. |
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If Jean was being held or pinned down like Ophelia was, then neither would Jean be able to blow through Dauf with her single attack. What is obvious is that drilling can pierce more effectively than a straight out stab. There's the difference in power. Undine's strength would be greater than Jean's. But Jean's DrillSword would still be more powerful than Undine's attack due to the nature of DrillSword's high velocity. While they correlate, there's a separation and distinction between the "strength" of Jean's physical body and the power of the attack known as DrillSword to which that strength is applied. Last edited by khryoleoz; 2008-02-03 at 22:11. |
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Even accepting your argument the odds that none of the three she supposedly knew nothing about had an A in strength had to be vanishingly low and assuming so would have been uncharacteristically foolish. |
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2008-02-03, 22:12 | Link #1039 |
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But thats the thing, Jean's drill sword is considered to be attributed directly to her strength, not her agility, thus the reason her Strength has a B "+."
The attack-power of Jean's drill directly relies on her own innate strength, thus the reason her normal strength of B (above average) has a +. Jean's drill sword is also the highest thing on the strength/agility chart in the Data book on the strength side, with Sophia trailing behind, now THAT is power. I honestly don't think Ophelia would be able to easily deal with Dauf, Dauf's armor is incrediably powerful, I don't think we have met an AB short of the Abyssal Ones in his league as far as toughness goes. That was what was so shocking about him in his first appearance, even the Yoki-ampliphied Flash-Sword, with Irene's arm, which annilated Ophelia, couldn't do more then scratch him. He fricken caught Clare's sword with his eye-lid. As far what techniques are linked to what. Strength: Jean's Drill Sword Helen's Rubber Arms Galatea's higher-then-average Yoki-enchanced strength Agility: Flash-Sword Windcutter Miria's Phantom Sense: Pre-emptive Yoki-perception Yoki Manipulation Soul-Link Notice that most of these people have either an insanely high rank in their relative attribute, or have a "+" to indicate that their power is above what their average stat would allow. Edit: Wow i'm dumb, Helen has a B in strength BTW, I have been selling her short on a C+.
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I would disagree with you on the likelihood of 7, 10, and 12 having A grade strength. Undine had special, or rather artificial circumstances that raised her strength level. How likely would it be that any of those three would have had similar or comparable circumstances raising their strength? No, it looks like the A grade people held ranks 5 and up, sans Galatea.
First, Galatea was offering comments about the strength of Jean's particular attack. I may be wrong and if I am I'll be happy to adjust my thinking, but I think that the stats measure the bodily strength of a Claymore, which of course manifests in attacks that are correspondingly strong to greater or lesser degrees. Think about this. If Galatea was being inclusive of the entire group of 47 Claymores when she offered comments about Jean, then she would have to include Alicia and Beth whom she does know about even though they've never met and even if nothing more than they're number 1 and 2. Now, how reasonable is it that the conditional, circumstantial strength of a number 9 is stronger than the attack of a number 1? |
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