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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 13 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 110 | 53.14% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 57 | 27.54% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 7.25% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 18 | 8.70% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 1.93% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.48% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 0.97% | |
Voters: 207. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-09-05, 06:59 | Link #261 | |
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There's the basic school stuff to worry about (just plain attending, not sleeping during class because that wouldn't fit his character, keeping up with homework, being friendly with his classmates), memorizing lines and rehearsing for his class's play (yeah, it's philosophical bullshit, but he has to get it right the same time, every time, not string it together as he goes along, plus he ends up with more than he bargained for when his role changes from "small side character" to "main character front and center"), getting dragged around by Haruhi day in, day out, for filming her movie (along with any "acting" required, which isn't much, but also is more than he originally thought he'd have, which is partially his own fault and partially due to Haruhi's enthusiasm), dealing with whatever day-to-day things he has to do for his "part time job" (ie: probably standard reports on Haruhi's well-being, what if anything occurred that day, so on and so forth), and oh, BY THE WAY, all the extra stuff once Haruhi's powers start manifesting (here, have a contact lens that was used as a conduit for lasers... oh, and fence-slicing monofilaments too, and those doves, and oh good grief, there's nothing to be done about the cherry blossoms, and at least she's not creating closed spaces, because that would mean the end of Koizumi sleeping at night, if he still does anyway), explaining to Kyon everything that's going on and trying to both hold him back (things would probably get worse on the Organization's side, not that Kyon ever bothers to care because it's not "his" problem) and get him to help (though Kyon is hard-headed and doesn't want to listen to a word Koizumi says), and Spoiler for Novel volume 8:
And through it all? He has to smile and be nice and courteous to everyone, the perfect example of a model student and a worthy second-in-command for Haruhi. The Organization must employ an awesome staff of counselors (although who knows when he would actually have time to see them), because otherwise it seems like the stress of keeping all of those plates in motion at once would probably break the poor esper boy in half eventually. If he wants to take a little comfort in thinking of himself as a defender of the world, maybe that's okay (even if it annoys Kyon, because really, what doesn't?). |
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2009-09-05, 07:10 | Link #262 |
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So next episode is the last episode for the '09 season? Considering the gap between seasons, does that mean the next one will come out in 2012? If so, I honestly wish I was as patient as Nagato. Or at the very least, be frozen for the next three years.
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2009-09-05, 07:13 | Link #263 | |
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Since Haruhi is unaware of her reality-warper powers, she is for all intents and purposes psychologically a normal human being. Everything that she consciously does, she should be held accountable for, as if she were a normal human being. Furthermore, as evidenced later in the series by Day of Sagittarius, Kyon seems to attempt not to treat Haruhi as 'God' or 'The End of the World as We Know It', but as a normal girl with issues. To a degree, he 'knows' that Haruhi is WorldEater, and he tries to avoid giving a damn. This could be seen as selfish, but personally I think it's part of his role in the SOS brigade - everybody else treats Haruhi with kid gloves, so it's Kyon (generally) that has to be 'reality'. Kyon attempting to 'hit' Haruhi is in my view the extreme extension of this. Also I have no idea where you were going with the Stanford Prison Experiment. It doesn't seem relevent in any way. /EDIT Next episode is last of the Sighs arc. If we're going Chronologically I think we have perhaps one or two mid-story one-shots to do? |
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2009-09-05, 07:21 | Link #264 | |||
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A punch is much less hurtful than what Haruhi does to others. And the whole "it's a girl" thing is really grating. So what ? Wasn't gender-based discrimination supposed to be something of the past ? A punch is serious matter, yes. Abuse is much more serious. She definitely deserve this. Quote:
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2009-09-05, 07:28 | Link #265 |
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LOL, Akka. I had to bite my tongue to prevent myself from breaking into laughter after reading your comments. It's 5:30 am here, people are still sleeping! >:P
Anyways, I think I'm one of the few who wasn't really affected by the almost pwnage of Haruhi by Kyon. It showed Haruhi that even the person you trust the most will react when what you do is pushing it too far. |
2009-09-05, 07:30 | Link #266 |
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I think Kyon wouldn't have hit Haruhi even if Koizumi hadn't stopped him. We can see that he is at least as surprised of his raising hand as Haruhi. Besides, there is a gap between "intending to do" and "doing", it's like between "holding a gun" and "pulling the trigger", a very huge gap...
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2009-09-05, 07:39 | Link #267 | |||
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1) It has what I call a "big idea" behind it. Not all animes or shows have that. The idea of a brilliant, charismatic, domineering, eccentric, but emotionally immature teenage girl unwittingly wielding God-like power is, in and of itself, one incredible starting point. Now, this girl who unknowingly wields this power, in one of the grandest moments of irony ever, hates that which is common place, dull, or ordinary, and hence seeks out what she considers to be the most bizarre and exceptional (should it exist). Haruhi herself is what's bizarre and exceptional, yet that is precisely what she is searching for anyway. You then have the mysterious transfer student who talks in philosophy and riddles, and is seemingly ever unflappable but yet hides behind a carefully cultivated image. And you have the alien-human interface who can take the philosophy and distill it into concrete, hard science technical jargon like Star Trek technobabble, only probably a bit closer to how science really works in the real world... aside from that, though, she's eerily silent and deadly. And you have the buxom time traveler from the future who's favorite word is "classified". Sherlock Holmes, let alone Kyon, would find this trio vexing. Then you take the master of snarkery; the story's touchpoint for a real life person, and insert him into it as the one totally 'normal' guy who has to work with all of the above, while conveying to you the reader/watcher what goes through his head as he does so. It really is quite the story concept. 2) Exceptionally fascinating and dynamic characters. This I explained above. 3) In the anime's case, outstanding artwork and animation. The problem comes when you're actually telling the story, though. You have to fuse the mundane (school life) with the unreal (the nature of the characters), and make it stick. That's the tricky part, and Haruhi is a bit hit-and-miss there. Welding slice of life school-based harem-esque otaku-focused comedy with serious sci-fi action adventure mystery drama is not an easy thing to do. When Haruhi pulls it off, you get the best of both worlds, and it's just fantastic. When Haruhi doesn't pull it off, you're either left with just one or the other, or you get something a bit unstable and wobbly and hard to buy into. For me, a good example of Haruhi pulling it off is actually the end to Endless Eight. Yes, the solution to the time loop issue is very mundane as Haruhi just wants the Brigade to do something together on the last day of summer vacation... but while the solution is mundane the problem is quite severe and unreal. And this is where imagery, symbolism, high drama facial expressions, powerful background music, and the like, come in to play. By showing all of those "far out!" visuals and audios in the lead-up to Kyon finally putting forward the solution to Endless Eight, the sci-fi drama aspect of the show is maintained, and the fusion between that and the slice of life aspect is beautiful and complete. But sometimes it just doesn't work. Sometimes you just can't suspend disbelief and hold that, yes, something this mundane could really bring the universe crashing down. Quote:
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2009-09-05, 07:48 | Link #268 | |
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The closest thing she has to us is her body structure. But she lives in a different class, different world.... in much higher level than those "rich spoiled kid" or "Greek God". Second, ensure what you believe is "reality" even when that action have a huge chance rob bystanders' precious is clearly the worst form of selfish. He is no better than Haruhi in this situation, (even when it's understandable) except Haruhi is not human and she unconsciously do it. I mentioned Stanford Prison Experiment just to say: the biggest force preventing us to cause chaos to this world is our righteous and our inability to carry it out(or lack of power you may say).
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2009-09-05, 07:49 | Link #269 | |
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2009-09-05, 07:55 | Link #270 | |
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I totally agree, Jintor. Since the rest of the Brigade is treating Haruhi simply as a WorldEater that needs to be constantly placated, Kyon is choosing to treat her as an actual human being. Kyon is absolutely essential here. With out him, Haruhi would be kept amused, but she would never grow as a person; because the other three aren't treating her as a person.
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2009-09-05, 08:00 | Link #271 | |
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By the way, the hand we see in Haruhi's eye is a left hand, Bad Kyoani ^^ |
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2009-09-05, 08:03 | Link #272 | |
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She do not find all the crimes fun even when she has power for them. That's my point Her mind is of human, but without interventionher God-like power shape her status as a God. We do not judge Gods because of their mind, but their status, isn't it?
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2009-09-05, 08:06 | Link #273 |
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I don't think Haruhi's feelings towards Mikuru in this arc are as complex as Triple does, although the end result is the same.
It's obviously fueled by jealousy by I seriously doubt it's as involved as all that. More likely she just sees him giving her special attention and is using the movie as a passive aggressive means for revenge, but she doesn't actually think of it as trying to harm Mikuru, it's just that she can't help herself, along with her not viewing others as being as important as herself. |
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2009-09-05, 08:14 | Link #275 | |
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passive-aggressive sort of person. And your idea makes Haruhi less obsessed with Kyon than mine does, but at the same time it serves as a plausible explanation for her awful mistreatment of Mikuru. All told, I like it. Good going, typhonsentra.
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2009-09-05, 08:22 | Link #276 |
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I'm still shaking over this episode. I don't think I can convey into words how sucked in I was to this episode. While I was watching it, I kept typing to my friends on MSN about what's happening. To friends who don't know what the hell Haruhi Suzumiya is - more less what anime is. I had to bite my finger so I could prevent myself from yelling "DECK THAT ****ER!". Right about now is my 10th time watching this scene over and over again. Amazing.
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If someone deserve to be punched, it's completely regardless to his/her gender. Arguing "Kyon should not hit Haruhi because violence is bad" is a think I can recognize (I disagree because Haruhi was a bitch and was deserving the hit, but I see the logic and idea). Arguing "Kyon should not hit Haruhi because she's a girl" is just dumb. Being a girl has nothing to do with the rest. Quote:
Her not finding crimes fun has nothing to do with this, it only reflect her tastes going more for the "fun/weird/unknown". Quote:
I judge someone according to his motivations and how he deals with them, not according to power he wields. The very concept of "judging" is based on the thinking of the person and not her power, in fact... |
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If you think that you can punch someone regarding their genders, it's up to you. Because i don't, and I knows that we have ppl complaint in GenderBender because the adaptation is much weaker and less dramatic even if Kyonko can carry out that puncht. Quote:
Sorry we here judge God by their status cause none of us can work out what their mind is like (with exception of Christian since i'm not one and do not know if the bibble can portray how his mind is like, still i doubt it).
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You don't hit people in general, because it's bad to hit people. It has nothing to do with the gender being hit. Did you even read it before replying ? Quote:
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