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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 87 | 50.88% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 54 | 31.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 8.19% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 4.09% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 1.75% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.75% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.58% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.17% | |
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2011-12-13, 16:20 | Link #267 |
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I will point again that Gil alone didn't suffer form a rebellion when he was alive. his country wasn't torn apart by civil war after his death. Sumeria last quite a bit longer then either Arturia's Welsh Britannia or Alex's Hellenistic Empire.
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2011-12-13, 16:37 | Link #268 | |
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Where Arturia's and Alexander's kingdom relied on the abilities and attributes of that specific iconic individual to hold their kingdoms together, Gilgamesh's kingdom relied more of the concept of the King's divine authority. |
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2011-12-13, 16:48 | Link #269 | |
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For Alexander he's a conquering King so having him around during peaceful times is not ideal. The majority of his life was about fighting and conquering and exploring. If his men didn't stop him he would've been fighting the Chinese and if he didn't died he'd also be fighting the Nubian kingdom as well. Even after Caesar finished dealing with Pompey he was already planning to invade Parthia in the east and this was after he fought for nearly a dozen years in France (Gaul). King Arthur on the other hand ruled during a tough time where it wasn't all about conquering but defending and maintaining a kingdom so she had a ton of internal politics to deal with. Unfortunately as we saw while she was a just king she was distant and cold which alienated her retinue and helped brought her downfall. Though I am annoyed that Gilgamesh stayed quiet most of the time. I mean this guy ruled for what? 126 years? That's a hell lot longer than either Saber or Rider so they shouldn't even be bickering LOL |
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2011-12-13, 16:52 | Link #270 |
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Although Saber's ideals are noble to behold, you kind of have to wonder what kind of people would respect a leader that has no respect for themselves and their abilities of a leader.
Being a good person is very different from being a good leader.
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2011-12-13, 16:59 | Link #272 | |
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Her country crumbled before her death. Without Arthur, the people were slain and drove back the saxons invaders who she had fought against. Yeah, I can see... long term continuation, right...
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2011-12-13, 17:02 | Link #273 |
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To me, you don’t follow a leader because he is something to be envied (although the prevalence of ‘pop idols’ in today’s world is counter-proof of this. Ok lets face it, people want to have something to worship)
I personally would follow a leader who puts duty above everything else, who holds himself to the highest standard, and gives much of himself and doesn’t expect something in return...unfortunately it usually makes the leader appear cold and emotionless (reflected well in Saber here) I would take offence to calling Alexander a tyrant in the exact definition of the word, he’s more like benevolent dictator or something, but he certainly used his country to fufill his own desires, and the country came to believe that it was their desire as well because of his exceptional leadership. Seeing Ionion Hetaroi was amazing though. On Saber’s side, isn’t her view that ‘the king must serve its people’ actually a very early and primitive form of democracy? While personally I find it hard to be harsh on her for such an admirable ideal, I must agree with all who say that it makes her an unsuitable king in a way. It’s like having Louis and Maire-Antoinette instigate the French Revolution..ok extreme example I hope the two get a rematch, maybe one that will end in a semi-draw. Its important to have desires but its equally important to have ideals. |
2011-12-13, 17:10 | Link #275 |
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I don't think that's the issue with Saber. If she were to king-up and stand for what she believes instead of ORZ MY RULE WAS A FAILURE I'LL WISH MYSELF BACK TO FIX IT, then she wouldn't have been the laughing stock of Gilgamesh and earn Rider's disappointment.
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2011-12-13, 17:15 | Link #276 | |
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or maybe the self doubt only really kicked in after she saw the hill of Camlamn? |
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2011-12-13, 17:29 | Link #277 | |
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2011-12-13, 17:57 | Link #278 |
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what i meant was that since their noble phantasms are so perfectly representative of their ideals and beliefs as kings, then when they match up to show one is superior than the other would be saying that one way if kingship is better than the other.
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2011-12-13, 18:04 | Link #279 | |
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So where is the speculation on Berserker's ID? I favour Lancelot over Mordred and the Black Knight Last edited by Malkuth; 2011-12-13 at 18:06. Reason: quoting |
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2011-12-13, 18:41 | Link #280 |
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It could be anything actually. There's a plethora of medieval knight tales and identities for the black knight. And Nasu has demonstrated that he is not afraid of choosing some of the heroes from not so well known lore.
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