The Movie of the Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (News & Anticipation)

[aegisofrime]

If Haruhi is girly, I'm (insert effeminate adjective here).

[mizuki_tohru]

I have seen Haruhi movie.
Spectators' large majority was a male and very young. But, It was a late-night show.

Spoiler for Simple impression:

Nagato of the movie was too lovely. Although some deployment of the story was felt redundant, Kyon worried too much, and the directivity about which he should worry was mistaken perfectly, It was completely the same as the original.
I repeat once again, Nagato was too lovely.

[edkedkedk]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

"Girly anime"? 0_o'

Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is Douglas Adams adapting Star Trek to a Japanese high school setting. How can that possibly be "girly"?

Well, Disappearance, maybe...a bit...

Originally Posted by Khu

Haruhi is not girly o_O

Clannad, maybe.

But Haruhi, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Well, that may be because she has only seen me with Haruhi and Yuki pictures... Assumptions, I guess. I didn't bother to correct her, because you know... Teachers.

Originally Posted by mizuki_tohru

I have seen Haruhi movie.
Spectators' large majority was a male and very young. But, It was a late-night show.

Spoiler for Simple impression:

Nagato of the movie was too lovely. Although some deployment of the story was felt redundant, Kyon worried too much, and the directivity about which he should worry was mistaken perfectly, It was completely the same as the original.
I repeat once again, Nagato was too lovely.

I love late-night shows. Minorin recently blogged about how she went to watch the movie again in a late-night slot. Wish I was there...

Nagato can never be too lovely. Her loveliness knows no bounds, and I stand by that.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by edkedkedk

Well, that may be because she has only seen me with Haruhi and Yuki pictures... Assumptions, I guess. I didn't bother to correct her, because you know... Teachers.

At a visual and superficial level, this anime can certainly look and seem "girly".

I mean, most of the prominent characters are pretty teenage girls in sailor-style school-girl uniforms drawn in a moe art style. Short of adding a bunch of roses and plushies, that's about as girly as something can get, at a visual level.

The masculine narration of Kyon usually balances out nicely with the feminine visuals... but you'd have to watch the anime, of course, to get that effect.

[edkedkedk]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

At a visual and superficial level, this anime can certainly look and seem "girly".

I mean, most of the prominent characters are pretty teenage girls in sailor-style school-girl uniforms drawn in a moe art style. Short of adding a bunch of roses and plushies, that's about as girly as something can get, at a visual level.

The masculine narration of Kyon usually balances out nicely with the feminine visuals... but you'd have to watch the anime, of course, to get that effect.

Unless, of course, she HAS watched the anime, and concluded that though Kyon provides a strong masculine voice to the anime, it's negated by Koizumi's... erm.... behavior. So what's left are teenage girls

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by edkedkedk

Well, that may be because she has only seen me with Haruhi and Yuki pictures... Assumptions, I guess. I didn't bother to correct her, because you know... Teachers.

Pshh... That's what teachers are there for is to be corrected. Most of them can't even pass standardized tests any better than their students, nowadays...

[Game8910]

so for those waiting for a review that wasnt all 'OMG BEST MOVIE EVER"
I found one here:
http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/na...-no-shoushitsu

yes, there are spoilers

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by Game8910

so for those waiting for a review that wasnt all 'OMG BEST MOVIE EVER"
I found one here:
http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/na...-no-shoushitsu

You might want to mention massive spoilers in that review. It's nice to see a differing opinion on the movie, and the reviewer does have a great point as to why he/she doesn't like a certain aspect of the movie. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

[Khu]

oh my god is Koizumi REALLY THAT PRETENTIOUS?! ><

In any case, once it's licensed is when most people are going to see this...

Or fansubs.

In fact, any fansub groups working on it?

Or is it because the series is licensed, the movie is too?

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Khu

In fact, any fansub groups working on it?

Pretty sure that's impossible unless there's a camrip somewhere, since you generally need the episode/movie in order to actually work on it.

Or is it because the series is licensed, the movie is too?

It's possible that it's licensed, but there's no way of knowing at the moment as they haven't announced anything.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Game8910

so for those waiting for a review that wasnt all 'OMG BEST MOVIE EVER"
I found one here:
http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/na...-no-shoushitsu

Good lord. This doesn't seem to be the movie for Nagato fanboys...

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Good lord. This doesn't seem to be the movie for Nagato fanboys... :heh:

You must not have read the comments to that review. In it a number of people point out that the guy misunderstood Yuki's role and motivation in the movie, which was at the heart of his problem with the movie. And he seemed to read way too much into the movie. Any Yuki fanboys who are familiar with the novels or who don't try to read in things that aren't there will not have any problem with the movie.

I find it encouraging that the only problem that the reviewer had with the the movie was due to his take on Yuki's role in it. He raved about the animation and their skill at making a ~3 hour movie enjoyable, and even commented how well the story works (even if he didn't like the way it did). I know I do like Yuki's role in the movie, so I still see this as a positive review.

[aegisofrime]

I'm not reading that review, mostly because it contains spoilers. Yes I have read the novels, but I'm desperately trying to forget it, because I want the visual impact to hit me full force instead of "Oh yeah that awesome scene is going to come next!"

Anyway, what I'm guessing is that the author of that negative review has not read the novel before, or mayhaps, any Haruhi anime for that matter. The problem is that The Disappearance is not a movie for the casual moviegoer: That guy with the Koizumi avatar (who people has resorted to calling Koizumi instead) has pointed out that the movie does not even try to establish who the characters are, instead jumping right into them getting comfortable in the clubroom.

So for people with previous Haruhi experience, the movie is going to be awesome!

[edkedkedk]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

You might want to mention massive spoilers in that review. It's nice to see a differing opinion on the movie, and the reviewer does have a great point as to why he/she doesn't like a certain aspect of the movie. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Originally Posted by Khu

oh my god is Koizumi REALLY THAT PRETENTIOUS?! ><

Originally Posted by aegisofrime

That guy with the Koizumi avatar (who people has resorted to calling Koizumi instead)

My goodness, ultimatemegax. You have done such a good job being Koizumi that I can imagine his face smiling and nodding (with his eyes closed, mind you) while saying that.

BRING ME alt!ultimatemegax! I wonder...

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

You must not have read the comments to that review. In it a number of people point out that the guy misunderstood Yuki's role and motivation in the movie, which was at the heart of his problem with the movie. And he seemed to read way too much into the movie. Any Yuki fanboys who are familiar with the novels or who don't try to read in things that aren't there will not have any problem with the movie.

I find it encouraging that the only problem that the reviewer had with the the movie was due to his take on Yuki's role in it. He raved about the animation and their skill at making a ~3 hour movie enjoyable, and even commented how well the story works (even if he didn't like the way it did). I know I do like Yuki's role in the movie, so I still see this as a positive review.

Strangely enough, I thought it was a positive review simply because the reviewer has raised points that was supposed to be negative but turned out to be the other way around. In summary, this was what he was not pleased with;

Spoiler for Review of Review:

1) 'Haruhiism triumphed over Yukiism'. Basically, his point was that everyone's so dreary and sad that Haruhi was gone but yet nobody gave a damn about Yuki's feelings in alt!Universe. And he's not happy that the KyonxYuki shipping just took a dive.

These are definitely fanboy and shipper frustrations. However, no matter how much we dislike it, this is the fact; Yuki will not be more important than Haruhi. For goodness sake, the movie is about Yuki and it's called The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi. That should give him a clue.

And yea, Kyon is a jerk, so him being further from Yuki love-wise is actually something to cheer about.

2) Gender stereotypes. The reviewer questions Tanigawa's characterization of 'normal Yuki', or alt!Yuki, as a weak, terribly shy girl to please Kyon and basically the masses.

Apparently he doesn't get the fact that obviously DITE Yuki will be superior in almost every way to alt!Yuki because she actually has POWERS. And is there anything wrong in Tanigawa's decision to portray alt!Yuki like that to attract the fans? I don't think so.

3) Disappointed expectations. The reviewer is angry that Kyon rejected alt!Yuki, and that all his love for alt!Yuki had to go away in the end, because the world return to its 'original' state. Oh, and he wants a bad guy to blame for all this.

Typical fanboy rant. I was like that too after initially reading the novel, but I just had to let it go, in the end. That's just how the world (of Haruhi) works.

Since the reviewer's negative points aren't that valid in my opinion, I feel that yes, it's yet another positive review for the movie. Especially if it can invoke such strong feelings in people after watching it.

[keri]

Originally Posted by edkedkedk

Spoiler for Review of Review:

1) 'Haruhiism triumphed over Yukiism'. Basically, his point was that everyone's so dreary and sad that Haruhi was gone but yet nobody gave a damn about Yuki's feelings in alt!Universe. And he's not happy that the KyonxYuki shipping just took a dive.

These are definitely fanboy and shipper frustrations. However, no matter how much we dislike it, this is the fact; Yuki will not be more important than Haruhi. For goodness sake, the movie is about Yuki and it's called The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi. That should give him a clue.

And yea, Kyon is a jerk, so him being further from Yuki love-wise is actually something to cheer about.

Since the reviewer's negative points aren't that valid in my opinion, I feel that yes, it's yet another positive review for the movie. Especially if it can invoke such strong feelings in people after watching it.

Regarding point 1 of your spoiler review review:

Spoiler for This is also a novel spoiler:

I'm wondering if the movie goes into the fact that the reason the Disappearance universe is as dreary as it is, relative to everything else, is because Haruhi was unconsciously making things brighter - she wanted it to be warmer and she didn't want people to get sick and be absent from school, so the weather was warmer and people didn't get sick so much.

I mean, Kyon is going to think of everything as dreary and sad without Haruhi anyway, so the visuals will probably end up reflecting that, but the reviewers comments on how grey everything was without Haruhi really made me wonder if her climate-adjusting powers hadn't been explained in the film, or something.

Also, yeah, I think the reviewer said that he hadn't read the novel yet. Otherwise, he probably wouldn't have put so much weight on Yuki and Kyon's relationship.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by keri

Spoiler for This is also a novel spoiler:

I'm wondering if the movie goes into the fact that the reason the Disappearance universe is as dreary as it is, relative to everything else, is because Haruhi was unconsciously making things brighter - she wanted it to be warmer and she didn't want people to get sick and be absent from school, so the weather was warmer and people didn't get sick so much.

...I never realized this myself, and I'm pretty sure it was never mentioned in the book, only implied. I don't think you can blame the reviewer for not getting it.

[AmyElizzabeth]

He hasn't read the novel...?
If he had (like Keri said), maybe he wouldn't have put so much weight on the relationship aspect.

[ultimatemegax]

edkedkedk, thank you for making the points I wanted to make. From my point of view, the reviewer went in thinking that the movie was going to feature the characters as we all know and love in the anime. Unfortunately for him, there is a new world in the movie that changes Yuki's character drastically. The new Yuki is so different from what's usual that it brought out so much anger in him. All this tells me is that the movie portrays Yuki in this movie exactly as how I see her wanting to be. The reviewer did mention that he had not read the novels which I believe would've eased his concerns muchly due to the material in later novels.

Spoiler:

After all, Mikuru does confess in Intrigues that she's staring at her like she wants to be her and the alternate Yuki possesses a lot of Mikuru's characteristics, so subconsciously, Yuki may have been making herself like Mikuru's personality. Granted, the reviewer takes it way out of consideration with his comment on how Yuki couldn't cook dinner for herself, since it's mentioned that Ryoko only comes over from time to time with stuff in the B-T translation. Then again, this is pure speculation from my mind. Yuki does mention that she's never thought of wanting to be like Mikuru, but that doesn't mean it's not subconsciously in her thoughts.

For the comments from Keri:

Spoiler:

Remember that the weather was warmer in November than it had been in recent years during the shooting of the movie and then cold set in fast (according to Kyon). That type of weather is much more likely to cause sickness than a normal season, so if Haruhi's absense made the world seem cold and darker, that would have an opposite effect on immune systems, making them healthier (to an extent since winter does have more diseases than the other seasons). Keri does have a point on Haruhi possibly making everyone healthy, but I also think it could be due to Ryoko being back. Without a leader in the class, class 1-5 was clueless to ideas for a festival or things to do together. It could be do to more inter-mingling that the people were sicker in the Vanishment!World.

I do apologize for my overanalysis on health concerns. If I were a slider, I'm sure I could travel into a world where I had pursued the path of medicine and become a doctor. I am indeed pleased that everyone sees me as Koizumi. I take the compliment with great honor.

[Triple_R]

I'm largely fine with that somewhat negative review.

Here's my take on it, though...

Spoiler for Movie spoilers:

I think he became a bit carried away with the 'gender stereotypes' complaint, but other than that, I can see where he's coming from.

If you went into this movie with out having read Novel 4, but while being very familiar with how the movie was promoted, you'd probably think that this was Yuki Nagato's ultimate shining moment.

And, well... it's only her shining moment in plot importance and screen time.

Novel 4 (and the movie by extension) doesn't really end that happily for Nagato, when you really think about it.

So I can see how a big Nagato fan would feel a bit let down by it.

But still... big Yuki Nagato fans that haven't read Novel 4 are probably a pretty small group, so I'm not too worried about it.

[keri]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

For the comments from Keri:

Spoiler:

Remember that the weather was warmer in November than it had been in recent years during the shooting of the movie and then cold set in fast (according to Kyon). That type of weather is much more likely to cause sickness than a normal season, so if Haruhi's absense made the world seem cold and darker, that would have an opposite effect on immune systems, making them healthier (to an extent since winter does have more diseases than the other seasons). Keri does have a point on Haruhi possibly making everyone healthy, but I also think it could be due to Ryoko being back. Without a leader in the class, class 1-5 was clueless to ideas for a festival or things to do together. It could be do to more inter-mingling that the people were sicker in the Vanishment!World.

I do apologize for my overanalysis on health concerns. If I were a slider, I'm sure I could travel into a world where I had pursued the path of medicine and become a doctor. I am indeed pleased that everyone sees me as Koizumi. I take the compliment with great honor.

Very good point -

Spoiler:

I had forgotten that the warmer-than-usual weather was limited to the first part of the month, and was thinking that even though it was crazy cold, December was still relatively warm, except without Haruhi, it was a lot colder than it had been when she was there.

And you're right about the quick weather change or more socialising being the cause of illness, but Taniguchi doesn't really do much with the other kids in the class, does he? His only friends are Kunikida and Kyon, practically. Though I guess having a girlfriend at the school at the bottom of the hill could change things.

Anyway, I was almost positive that Koizumi or Kyon had said something about Haruhi's ability to do what I mentioned either in this novel or maybe a later one, because of her desire to have everything like it is in books or on tv.

But maybe not, and it's yet another example in a long list of them of places where I fail to remember what I read. You'd never know from the way I (fail to) recall things I've read that I have an almost photographic memory.