2009-11-23, 18:29 | Link #1421 | |
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That's ridiculous though, his whole mind's all about Kaede If that was the case though why doesn't he take advantage of it when he's a girl? Clearly Kaede swings that way instead. I'd take advantage of it, especially if my mind was that one track. |
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2009-11-23, 18:37 | Link #1423 |
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I know, I wasn't critizing her or anything. I was merely pointing out that she had to be pushy on that part which is quite sad.
My question to him would've been "Has she given you any reason as to why it wouldn't be a date?" I mean for crying out loud it's exatly as Shiroth mentioned. She could be raping/torturing him or violating him in many ways and he'd still think it was some sort of plot. |
2009-11-23, 18:37 | Link #1424 | |
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Also, she didn't ask him what he'd think of relocating to the girls' side... she just forced him to. Seriously, guys, it's fine to like the character and all, but let's not pretend that she's not pushy when she is. Anyway, I don't have a problem with Shizuku's pushiness... but nor do I have a problem with Kaede's. I don't think that Kaede deserves the hate that she gets on this thread.
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2009-11-23, 18:42 | Link #1425 | |
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ANd I think the hate for Kaede is more on the the Kaede that's running in Natsuru's mind, not the real one. |
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2009-11-23, 18:42 | Link #1426 | |
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2009-11-23, 19:59 | Link #1427 | |
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2009-11-23, 20:00 | Link #1428 |
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To me, I don't really hate Kaede. In fact, she's sort of grown on me as a likeable character. Unfortuately for her, she's only the fourth best girl on the show.
Don't know why, but I don't really like Mikoto as much as I thought I would. Usually I like exuberant, energetic girls in anime, but I'm not feeling the same from Mikoto. I just get annoyed by her, though I cannot exactly figure out why. On a total, unrelated topic, non-Kämpfer non-megane Akane is pretty damn cute.
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2009-11-23, 20:08 | Link #1429 | |
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I think someone is misreading it, or is using a different sub version than me...
Just re-watched the part before the opening credits. Going by my gg subbed version, there's no point at which Natsuru says (before the opening credits roll) "Yes, I'll go on a date with you". In fact, he continually shows great discomfort at the idea, and Shizuku continues to insist on it anyway. In fairness, Shizuku calls it an "invitation"... but it looks to me like it's an invitation that she's not letting Natsuru refuse. Quote:
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2009-11-23, 20:13 | Link #1430 | |
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Anyway, it's not like any of this matters. Let's just agree that it's Natsuru's fault for being a complete dense moron.
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2009-11-23, 20:22 | Link #1431 | ||
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I can say that she's being pushy. I have just as much right to my opinion on the scene as you have to yours... don't I? She came across as very pushy to me, and frankly I don't see why you don't think so. Natsuru does repeatedly show considerable discomfort over the idea of dating Shizuku... and Shizuku doesn't take the hint. She insists on the date anyway. That's fine, but let's not act like it's a simple ask and quick yes response sort of deal. Quote:
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2009-11-23, 20:33 | Link #1432 | |
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When he deduced it had to be something about the white kampfer he went along with and nodded okay. She didn't had to push him. He came to the conclusion himself, how he did that I have no idea. In fact he was uncomfortable the whole time because he thought that was the whole point and why Shizuku was treating it as an actual date. The only pushy part is re-asserting that it was a date. |
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2009-11-23, 20:39 | Link #1433 | |
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However, I think it's at least a bit pushy to continue to insist on a date after the guy indicates discomfort with the idea in the first place (and she did do that - she didn't just let it go after he showed initial discomfort with the idea). Look... I'm starting to feel a little bit like Altima at the Gates did a few pages back. Like everything Shizuku does has to be put in a positive light... and that makes her character less interesting, imo. I'm fine with how Mentar describes it - i.e. Shizuku's assertiveness/pushiness is more... refined than Sakura's... so it comes off better than Sakura's. Ok, I can buy that... but it's still assertiveness/pushiness in my mind. If you disagree, that's fine, but I have a right to my take on the scene.
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2009-11-23, 20:46 | Link #1436 |
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While I agree that Shizuku shows a more refined assertiveness, I myself really don't find it being pushy. I don't really see her forcing Natsuru to do anything. I hesitate to use the word "manipulative" for Shizuku, but she can easily get Natsuru to do what she wants. Whether it's her being pushy or Natsuru being completely dense is up to the opinion to the viewer, I guess.
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2009-11-23, 20:49 | Link #1437 | |
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So, either Kaede and Shizuku are both pushy, or neither of them are. Just my opinion.
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2009-11-23, 20:54 | Link #1438 | |
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seriously, if everyone in the show knows female natsuru=male natsuru, imaging the humiliation he'd get, added on with death threats from all the female side. by the morning, an angry mob of 99% of the female students, lead by sakura would come to his front yard and lay siege to his house and burn it to ashes. that's a huge blackmailing weapon she has to force natsuru to do what she wants, i'd say. also because of her position, natsuru fears her, so obviously she can get natsuru to do anything.
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2009-11-23, 20:55 | Link #1439 | |
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Mine clearly says; Natsuru: A date? Shizuku: That's right, I'm inviting you on one. Natsuru: What's the catch? Shizuku: Catch? It's just a date.
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2009-11-23, 23:15 | Link #1440 |
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I like Shizuku character she is accsertive and bordering on egotistical and Natsuru both forms is just easily manipulated like some harem leads. But what she likes in him is his lack of interest in her for someone whose use to getting everything it makes things more interesting.
Kaede, Akane and Mikoto's tug of war for Natsuru's attention/love interest only fuels Shizuku's interest in him even more as to "why would they fight over this guy". I liked this ep a lot we see Shizuku's past and what cused her to become cold. |
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