Zero no Tsukaima Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

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[felix]

My little speculation

Tabassa has another difficult assignment. She probably has to face another dragon. Poor girl. Good thing that Kirche's there to help her.

In the middle of the assignment she is ambushed by assassins. I suspect that all of the plotting and assassination attempts are somehow related to that guy who freed Longville-san.

My hopes & expectations

Not much. But I suspect that the title Louise's transformation has more to do with Louise's magic powers then the love potion.
Hmm... I wonder were Louise is when Saito and Montmorency are in Charlotte's country fighting with... uhh... mud apparently.

One thing I really want is some development in the evil department. Two episodes of just fun & play are enough, it's about time things started moving.

[garra113]

Wow I like the begining lol

Spoiler:

When she keeps holding saito down saying don't do the laundry and now saito saids ill be back and all that like newleyweds so cute, >.< also siesta is pissed off too That was funny :P and also the part where saito open the door and guchi was behind it and knocked him away and thens threatens momentrecy(spellcheck) lol hilarous...

[zgmf-x19a]

I think this may happen in this episode

Spoiler:

Saitoh will probably anger both Louise and Siesta for different reasons Louise because she thinks Saitoh will go see Siesta and Siesta because of Louise's love love attitude and I bet Saitoh will probably blackmail Montmorency into finding a cure and from last week preview maybe Tabitha and Kirche will meet up with them somewhere of course Louise will be cured and she will show her "grateful" attitude lol

[akurashy]

Did they changed the airing dates now? =o *i thought they aired every friday or something)

anyway can't wait =o

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by akurashy

Did they changed the airing dates now? =o *i thought they aired every friday or something)

anyway can't wait =o

no it has always been sunday

[zgmf-x19a]

Originally Posted by akurashy

Did they changed the airing dates now? =o *i thought they aired every friday or something)

anyway can't wait =o

the sooner the better I find it sad that there is only 13 episodes it would be nice if there was a 2nd or even a 3rd season

[zgmf-x19a]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

no it has always been sunday

didn't the Q&A here say monday? lol

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y from ep.8 thread

Hopefully, they'll do the love potion story right. In the next episode, I look forward to seeing,

Spoiler:

1. Louise's baby-talk
2. The monster sweater/scarf/mystery item that Louise knitted for Saito
3. A lot of kiss marks
4. Naked Montmorency
5. Louise hugging onto Saito throughout the ENTIRE episode

I'm counting on you, J.C.Staff.

Let's see, out of the 5 items, they managed to complete 4 of them. Too bad they had to substitute the night of kiss marks with only a playful bite instead.

Siesta's jealousy was nice too, although it could'be been fleshed out more (they could've included the part where Siesta crushed Saito's foot while wearing a big smile on her face ).

The overall flow of the episode was nice, but compared to the other episodes, this one does feel slightly rushed: packing everything into one episode meant they had to cut back and forth between the lovey dovey moe scenes and serious drama scenes relatively quickly, reducing the impacts of both.

But still, 100% for Louise's dere dere mode. Her reaction after returning to normal is also fun to watch. ^^

Next episode, here comes Mr. who-you-callin'-an-old-man?, Waldo. It looks like the final 4 episodes is going to be devoted to volume 2 and 3. Hmm, it just might work.

[dxanato]

When do they say if there will be a second season considering there is only 5 more to go before it ends.

[Srin Tuar]

They cut so many details I can't help but think this anime is more of a trailer for the novels than a story in its own right. Well, its not a bad series still, despite being terribly rushed.

I highly recommend the novels to anyone studying Japanese. They have furigana on many words, and you can always skip over the intrigue parts that are harder to read if you need to, while still enjoying the romantic and moe scenes which are in the most basic Japanese.

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Srin Tuar

They cut so many details I can't help but think this anime is more of a trailer for the novels than a story in its own right. Well, its not a bad series still, despite being terribly rushed.

I don't think it's that bad at all. Compared to the crap I had to see from Higurashi, this anime is 500 times better. The things they cut out here were all within acceptable levels.

Shana was pretty much the same too, imo J.C. Staff is actually one of the better companies at creating anime adaptations of novel originals.

[Omniscient]

Episode 09 Screencaps and Summary

Spoiler:

The first half of the episode was pretty funny - the part with Louise biting Saito's neck was great. I do wish we could have seen more of Siesta getting angry, but oh well. I'm glad that they're forming a story here at least, one that looks like it'll carry the series through to the end.

As for the discussion about the novels, I have to say that that's why I always read stuff after I see the anime - in order to get the most enjoyment from both sources.

[Srin Tuar]

Originally Posted by Omniscient

As for the discussion about the novels, I have to say that that's why I always read stuff after I see the anime - in order to get the most enjoyment from both sources.

Haha, lol, I would hate to sound like one of those people who read the manga then rag on the anime version incessantly. I agree the show is still good, absolutely. otoh, I'm sure that noone would complain were it to be twice as long with more juicy details.

I think I prefer it this way: I'd rather not spoil the novels by watching the anime first, hehe.

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

I don't think it's that bad at all. Compared to the crap I had to see from Higurashi, this anime is 500 times better. The things they cut out here were all within acceptable levels.

about higurashi: I dropped it because the story just didnt make sense to me.
I didnt get what the big deal was about watching a series of recycled characters act out fairly un-suspensful scenarios. After the first few, it even became predictable, in the sense that you knew something bad was going to happen one way or another.
There was no way to build the level of attachment to the characters that makes suspense work for me. Perhaps the game was much better.

It still seems popular, but I dont get the attraction myself

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Shana was pretty much the same too, imo J.C. Staff is actually one of the better companies at creating anime adaptations of novel originals.

Hrm, shana just fell apart near the end. The story stopped making any shred of sense, and probably anyone could tell it was being rushed off stage.

Have you read the novels? If so, would you recommend them?

[shadowWizz]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Too bad they had to substitute the night of kiss marks with only a playful bite instead.

That was SOOO bad... I was soo looking forward to that

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

The overall flow of the episode was nice, but compared to the other episodes, this one does feel slightly rushed: packing everything into one episode meant they had to cut back and forth between the lovey dovey moe scenes and serious drama scenes relatively quickly, reducing the impacts of both.

I really thought that this episode was a bit too much of a rushed, but seeing the amount of content that they have squeezed in, i'll just let it slide this time...

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

But still, 100% for Louise's dere dere mode. Her reaction after returning to normal is also fun to watch. ^^

I'm totally with you there... too bad it got interupted

[Deathkillz]

owh already turned back after 1 ep i thought it might last a bit longer *must not pay to much attention to the spoilers*

[dxanato]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

owh already turned back after 1 ep i thought it might last a bit longer *must not pay to much attention to the spoilers*

You will look I know it.

I can't wait to Louise try to seduce Saito.

[ordnance11]

Ahh, too bad Louise didn't hickie Saito to death....but would had turned the episode into an ero one...

As for the preview...are talking about Oliver Cromwell here?

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Srin Tuar

Perhaps the game was much better.

It still seems popular, but I dont get the attraction myself

That's putting it lightly. Higurashi is a masterpiece among sound/visual novels.

The anime failed in so many ways, us fans of the original game can't even be angry at it anymore, we're speechless.

Originally Posted by Srin Tuar

Hrm, shana just fell apart near the end. The story stopped making any shred of sense, and probably anyone could tell it was being rushed off stage.

Have you read the novels? If so, would you recommend them?

Spoiler for response:

If you haven't read the novel, then how can you tell if it's rushed or not? There will always be moments where a development in a story makes you go "wtf" or "yeah right", but that doesn't mean it's poorly done or rushed.

It's true that Shana's anime moved away from the novel in the final episodes (around when Ball Masque showed up), but that's because the anime has followed the novel up to that point (around vol.6) and now it needed an ending because the season was ending, since they obviously couldn't continue on to vol.7+.

There has been a few changes made to the Shana anime (such as Alastor not appearing during the Friagne fight, but in the final episode instead), some of which are good changes, some are bad. But as a whole, you can tell that Shakugan no Shana's anime was a pretty big success simply by looking at the Japanese fan reactions and sale results. Story aside, the anime did have impressive sakuga quality and an excellent soundtrack.

Again, no anime adaptation can ever replicate the original story fully (some people might argue that Suzumiya Haruhi was a near replication of the novel, and I agree that Kyoani has proved itself to be the god of animation companies. But compared to other anime adaptations, Suzumiya Haruhi's anime covered very little of the original novel (they only covered vol.1, with misc. short stories from other volumes), so it's really a tradeoff), especially when we're talking about latenight timeslot animes that usually only have 1~2 cours worth of episodes to tell the story. Fans watch these animes knowing perfectly well that there will always be things left out or changed, so it wouldn't be very smart to expect the animes to cover everything you wanted to see from the novels.

Finally, since you asked, I do read the Shana novels, and is up-to-date at the latest volume (Shakugan no Shana S). Would I recommend it? Well, if the anime interested you, then I see no reason why you shouldn't try the novel out. Takahashi-san's writing can be a little heavy-handed at times, bogging the reader down, but he's getting better. Either way, Shana is still one of the greatest tsunderes out there. Besides, as an Itou Noizi fan, I'm obligated to buy everything that features her works.

Although J.C. Staff has shuffled Zero's story around a bit for this anime, it's still very sensible so far. Most importantly, they got all of the important scenes right. I joke about them skipping the kiss mark scene, but I really didn't expect them to do it anyway, since it was one of the more serious make-out scenes, it's "eroticism" probably would've been out of place in the episode.