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If you're ever looking for more commentary on MF, just grab your nearest anime blog aggregator and flip through the entries on MF. It's interesting to see how people's views on the series changed as the series progressed. SDFM might go well with MF, if only to show how the core themes in the series have evolved over time. At present, though, I'd only really be willing to commit to watching MF, simply because I once made a promise to write-up my thoughts on it. Then too, it would probably have to be after September starts. |
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2010-08-07, 20:20 | Link #2303 |
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That is an interesting thing to do, especially with blogs where the series was blogged during it airing, its very interesting to read the sometimes 180 degree difference in opinion that bloggers had at the beginning of the series compared to the end. Or even just read general MF forums.
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2010-08-07, 23:15 | Link #2304 | |
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The Blog was very interesting, but the comments were the most interesting. The Blog didn't really go into much depth and didn't touch much on the actual material, lots of general observations here and there, and knowledge of episodes is definitely needed before (But why would you read the blog if you didn't watch the episode?(Browsing)). |
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2010-08-07, 23:27 | Link #2305 | |
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I was kinda referring to Grace and exactly how many bloggers saw it coming. |
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I think so. Aren't there "Let's re-watch series X together" threads on other forums here?
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2010-08-08, 11:20 | Link #2310 | |
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It's not really "hostility" as much as it is "Oh crikey, not again..." The same thing happens any time someone starts an "I hate Macross 7" or "What happened to the Megaroad-01?" thread. Still, I guess a good ending came out of it...if some of the members here hadn't been so obnoxious, Final Vegeta never would've written his anti-Ohnogi rant, and we might STILL be thinking that the infamous "liner notes" were factual. |
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2010-08-08, 11:46 | Link #2311 | |
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Though i'm perfectly fine with that.
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2010-08-08, 14:55 | Link #2312 | |
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There are a few gems in there, though, like the inspiration for the term skullfairy: you'll never guess where it came from! But then again, perhaps you'd be better off not knowing. Quote:
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More broadly, the problem is that the word "shipping" automatically takes on a pejorative connotation when used in certain circles, as do the groups of people that engage in it. Which is odd, since you can end up having a heated discussion on pretty much any topic, be it relationships or spaceships. It really just comes down to emotional maturity and whether you're capable of disengaging yourself from an argument that you don't want to have. While I can see how anti-shipping sentiment can reactively develop, it can be stifling when trying to discuss a franchise like Macross where concepts like love and relationships are central to the plot. It would be a bit like trying to discuss a scene from a Gundam series with someone moaning in the background "Ugh, not another discussion about mecha!" every time you referred to something remotely mechanical. I wouldn't trust those Sheryl enthusiasts if I were you. They're always running around telling people that they're on drugs or that they have no concept of adult relationships. All two of them, that is. (Anyone who spends more time talking about their own awesomeness than they do about Sheryl's is a self-shipper, not a Sheryl-shipper. Be careful with the distinction.) Quote:
Of course, I've pointed this out before, in his thread as well. Last edited by Swampstorm; 2010-08-08 at 15:27. |
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True, IRC would give a bit more immanence to the discussion, but I'd rather see the discussion made a bit more permanent by having it on these forums. Also, IRC dialogue lends itself to being less thought-out and extensive, since it is in realtime. It's no real fun for me to write a large dissertation on an observation I just had, just to notice that the discussion already moved on to another topic.
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Anyway, yeah, Mercurial Morpheus is still around, but I haven't seen Final Vegeta in over a year. The last I saw of him, he was complaining that CLEARLY Ohnogi was working on the movie, and it was going to suck because of it. When I shot him a PM explaining that I didn't think Ohnogi had anything to do with the series, he sent me a few pages worth of assertions that the "liner notes" were true. That more than anything else prompted me to "go public" with the info I had, even though we hadn't received the notorious issue of Famitsu yet. He hasn't been around since. Quote:
(If you read the comics (primarily "Macross F: Secret Visions" in Macross Ace, which is apparently plotted by Frontier's scriptwriter, Hiroyuki Yoshino), the problem gets worse: all the growth is thrown out the window and characters are just static caricatures of themselves...Sheryl is confident and aloof (but kind), Ranka is the eternal newbie, Alto is grumpy and stand-offish, Michael is suave and teasing. Issue after issue after issue.) Anyway, the problem is always the same, whether you're talking about mecha or characters or story: Macross, while very good, simply can't stand up to the kind of scrutiny fans put it under; few works could, really. Homer, Dante, Shakespeare, Cervantes, yeah. An anime produced for television? No. Writing a good analysis takes training and discipline, and as much as I enjoy reading some analyses of the show, they usually tell me more about the writer of the article than they do about the show in question. Quote:
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(Did it come from a cross-dressing origin? D: )
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And of course Macross Frontier ain't exactly The Lord of the Rings or War and Peace, but it has some very good moments and the rest is well done. Excepting episode eight animation, that is, and the last episode has multiple storytelling failures. Quote:
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I think Swampy is making some obscure IRC in-joke here... I guess.
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And my translation plate is already overstuffed with some VERY GOOD stuff (some of which is taking a lot longer than I expected). Currently, translation work is very difficult for me, since my Japanese level isn't even close to fluent. But tell ya what...the first volumes of "Macross F: Secret Visions" and "SMS Tales" are coming out on September 25. If you buy them, I'll send you a short summary of the stories, which should tide you over until I (or someone else) does a full translation. Pretty much anyone who writes an in-depth analysis of the characters, expecting them to have the same depth and richness of Shakepeare's. |
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What, you want me to badmouth people I don't like on MF extensively?
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You gotta point out those people to me sometime. I'd bet they'd have fascinating stuff to discuss about the show.
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Naturally, we ended up reclaiming the term for use in our own nefarious plans. I'm unclear on the exact details of how the name was finally proposed and who suggested it, but hopefully someone still has their irc logs from around that time. Good times, though. Quote:
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Contradictions are a consequence of complexity. The less details that you add to a story, the less likely that you are to conflict with something that you previously wrote. They're also the result of ongoing, evolving storylines created by multiple writers. This has nothing to do with quality. Take Mary Shelley's Frankenstein as an example: there were substantial changes made between the original, limited run of the novel and the book's second edition (which is the version that most people end up reading, if they do). That doesn't seem all that far removed from the questions of today regarding canon and retconning. I think that "character development" is a subjective term. It's just a question of which scenes strike you as significant and which ones you dismiss as being unimportant. To you, perhaps, the phrase "I'm Sheryl Nome!" is a static phrase, but to me, its use reveals different sides to Sheryl similar to the way in which variations in inflection can change the meaning of a sentence. Am I reading too much into things? Certainly. But bear in mind that there's only as much meaning to a story as you choose to glean from it. If a story lacks depth, it's not for want of a better writer - it's for want of a better reader. Quote:
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