Ever17 -The Out of Infinity-

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 You Bad Ending (end-game spoilers):

-Bad Ending starts at the Quick Save, plays out the same, but You fades away (which Hokuto compares to The Little Mermaid, where the mermaid dissoves into foam). Hokuto screams You's name as he is overcome with despair. He fades away as well. All that's left is a sensation of pain.

Well... this was weak.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 1 (end-game spoilers):

-On Day 1, Hokuto wonders where he is. He thinks he remembers where he is, but he can't say the name. Fast forward. When You says they have to escape, Hokuto is confused, but You shouts at him to go and grabs his hand.
-Fast forward. Hokuto asks if they can get out of LeMU on foot, but You confirms no, since the elevators are out of service. Fast forward. Hokuto decides not to ask You if she heard Coco. Fast forward. When Sara looks at Hokuto, he looks back at her.
-He asks if something's wrong, but she's silent. He asks again, and she says, "Huh!? Wh-What?" Hokuto asks if she's okay, and she says she's fine (though her tone is artificial) and asks why he asked her. He says it's because she looks down, but she says that's not the case, just that she was remembering something about the past. He enquires, but she says

Sara: "But now's not the time for that. There's something I've got to do..."

-Sara then leaves the room. Fast forward. I learned that like the original, Kaburaki's dialogue when he's asleep is different each time. This time, I got:

Kaburaki: "... Got a long name... wants to see her parent's face... Zzz." (This was also in the original)

-Fast forward. Hokuto doesn't understand the Archimedes Principle, so You explains it for him. Fast forward to when You and Sara are splitting up. Naturally, I chose to go with Sara this time. When he does, he sees Sara's shoulders sink. He tries to take her hand, but she dodges it, saying "Whoa there! It would be best not to touch my hand, no?" otherwise, it'll ruin her ninjitsu.
-They walk through the halls. Hokuto's heart stirs when he looks at Sara's face, and wonders why he's so concerned with Sara and why he knows her, then thinks he doesn't know about her, and wonders what kind of girl she is. He decides to ask her, but thinks he can't just ask bluntly.
-He asks her how she knows You, and she gives the same answer You did. She says the time she spent with You was the most fun she'd ever had, and that her meeting You, "really saved my heart." She says You was the first and most precious friend she'd ever had.
-He asks why she didn't have friends before that, and she explains she had to keep transferring schools due to her family. When she says that, a sad look rises to her face. Suddenly, Hokuto's head pounds, his vision growing red. Pain runs through his heart, telling him that this is a topic he musn't touch upon.
-He decides to ask her about her ninja hobby, as he doesn't remember what ninjas are. She gives a lecture about the history of ninjas. After she finishes, Hokuto remarks the word of ninjas sounds harsh, and she agrees, another sad look in her face.
-He looks away for a second, and when he looks back, Sara has disappeared. Hokuto starts freaking out, telling her to stop hiding and come out. He runs around looking for her. As he calls her, he hears the rapping of the ceiling from the pipes. He then remembers the rapping phenomenon, and wonders how he knew that.
-Hokuto runs away in fear, and runs into Sara. She asks what's wrong, and he shouts it's the rapping phenomenon. Sara explains it's just caused by the pipes. After Hokuto calms down, he asks why she suddenly disappeared, and she says, "Well? Were you suprised?" She says she used ninpo to hide.
-While they're walking again, Hokuto asks for Sara's age. She says she's 16, was born on January 21st, and is an Aquarius. She asks for Hokuto, but he doesn't know. She says it sounds lonely, but it might be good, since he may have had a past he wants to forget. She then says she's just kidding, and the rest is the same from the original.
(How ironic... the answer was right in front of him... Speaking of which, how does Sara know her birthday? Did Tsugumi leave their birthdate with the orphanage?)

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 2 (end-game spoilers):

-Sara then mutters the first two lines of The Moon and Sea Lullaby (probably to test if it gets a reaction out of Hokuto). He asks what that means, and internally thinks that something about it bugs him.
-In the generator, You teams up with Kaburaki reluctantly, who says, "Geez, you're not cute at all. Been a bit more honest and say you're pleased." She then gets irritated at him for that, and they continue arguing. Sara says the two of them make a good team.
(Nope... Kaburaki's just used to dealing with You's type by now... literally.)
-The twins then get started on their end. Sara finishes quickly, and as Hokuto's finishing, he almost hurts himself from a falling pipe, so Sara pushes him out of the way. She asks if she's he's all right and he says yes. She's relieved, and says they should hurry and finishes repairs. The group finishes.
-Fast forward. Hokuto says Sara should prepare the tuna. She says she hasn't cooked that much, but goes to the tuna. With a kodachi, she then cuts the tuna up warrior-style. We then get a new CG- the tuna is all cut up (it's head still remaining) in a giant pot, which Sora, You, and Kaburaki all looking at it with delight (Kaburaki is drooling), while Sara sheathes the kodachi with her eyes shut and her mouth in a cat grin (TvTropes).
-Everyone is in awe of the tuna. Sara calls it "Matsunaga Style Hidden Technique: Steel Cutting Toro Sword!' (Toro is the fatty part of tuna).
-Fast forward. At Kick-the-Can, Hokuto decides to follow Sara and Sora. The scene plays out the same until Kaburaki comes. Sara uses ninpo on him (just a kick to the face, really), knocking Kaburaki over. The group goes running, and Sara manages to kick the can.
-Fast forward. At night, I get a new choice: go after Sara, or talk to You?
-Hokuto decides to follow Sara. He follows her to the aquarium, but doesn't see her. As he walks there, he sees her again. He accidentally bumps into her, and we get the whole "Hokuto on top of Sara" CG. They stare at each other for a while until Hokuto gets off her.
(Ever17: Now you're playing with incest.)
-Hokuto tries to explain himself, saying he just saw her and followed her. She just laughs it off, saying she's not mad or hurt. She says with his concern, he could become a ninja or spy, but just says she's kidding.
-He then asks what she's doing here. She says she's here to see the moon. Hokuto looks up, and can see a fake moon created by Mirage. The two of them just stare at the moon silently, and the day ends.
-Fast forward. After Tsugumi sends Hokuto out of the room, he goes to the Staff Room. You's there, surprised to see him back so early. She notices the slap, and thinks it was caused by Sara. After a similar conversation from the last route, they prepare lunch, and continue the conversation.
-Everything plays out the same, until everyone's in the Control Room. After Sora's report, Tsugumi clicks her tongue, and leaves the room. Sara then goes after her. Concerned, Hokuto goes after Sara.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 3 (end-game spoilers):

-He goes out into the hallway, where he can hear Sara and Tsugumi's conversation from the start. Sara asks Tsugumi where she's going, with the latter saying it doesn't matter and to leave her alone. Sara then says, "What are you planning on doing this time?" Tsugumi replies, "What do you mean?"
-Hokuto rounds the corner, and sees them. We get the staredown CG between Tsugumi and Sara from the original, except it's in the hallway and Sara's clutching nothing in her hands. Sara asks Tsugumi where she went before the explosion. Tsugumi says "It doesn't matter where I go," and Sara asks if it was her doing.
-Tsugumi says, "My, what a funny joke." Sara replies, "Are you saying it wasn't?" Tsugumi asks what she's implying, and then we get back to the conversation we heard on You's Route. As they reach the end, Kaburaki comes in.
-Rest plays out the same until after dinner. Rather than heading for the Decompression Room, Hokuto goes to the aquarium. He looks up at the false moon, calming him down. Sora appears, asking him what he's doing.
-He tells Sora he was looking at the moon. Sora remarks on how the moon has amazing powers, both fictional and real (such as its affect on gravity and tides). She then leaves, saying she's going through checks, and says he can stay there. Before she leaves, she mentions the two different ways of reading "full moon" in kanji (one of them have the character for "wish" in them). After a bit, Hokuto is about to go to bed when-

Sara: "Why!? There's no need to watch and wait! Do you intend to overlook 'that one' at this rate!?"

-Hokuto wonders what's going on, wondering if "that one" is the same as Tsugumi's "them" (they both use the same word in Japanese). Sara continues, saying it's obvious that "that one" is the the culprit and cause of the "great origin", and that if they let them be, she doesn't know what the next damage will be.
-Hokuto goes to investigate. Suddenly someone comes up to him from behind. New CG: We see Hokuto's head (his hair hidden) with an arm wrapped around his neck... and a thick combat knife to his throat. The other half of the CG is blacked out, but we can see the wielder is Sara.
-He tries to look at his assailant, but can't turn his head. Sara (it says ???, but's it's so obvious that there's no need to bother) tells him not to move (in a cold voice), and asks him what he is. Hokuto tells her to stop, his breath coming out short. She then says, "that voice... is that you, Kid?" We see the rest of the CG- Sara with a fierce expression. Hokuto's clothes are conveniently blocked out by Sara's arm and knife.
(Huh? How did she not know it was him? The aquarium's dark, yes, but shouldn't she have infrared? Then again, maybe she was just focused on attacking whoever)
-Hokuto asks if that's Sara. She then lets go of him and apologizes, saying she was doing some ninja roleplay. Hokuto says "roleplaying?", and Sara says yes- wasn't she just like a ninja? Hokuto says, "I-Is that so?" and sighs, saying she surprised him.
-Sara asks what he's doing, and he says he was just gazing at the moon, and was about to go when he heard Sara. She acts shocked, but gets relieved when he says he didn't know what she was talking about. She asks if he'd like to go back with her. He's surprised, asking if she's still roleplaying, but she says she's done now.
-Hokuto thinks about Tsugumi's prophecy, and tells Sara that her and Tsugumi have to get along because of the situation they're in. Sara's silent, then says it's best not to trust Tsugumi (she drops the "-san" here), because she might have caused the accident at LeMU.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 4 (end-game spoilers):

-As he goes to sleep, Hokuto thinks of Tsugumi telling him he'd die and Sara saying Tsugumi might have caused the incident. He can't stop thinking about them. End Day 3.
-Day 4
-We see a strange, watercolor background that Hokuto says he's standing in. It's apparently a dim place with concrete walls and floor, a cold room. He then sees himself facing a girl, who's holding a survival knife in her hand. He's holding the same thing in his right hand. A man's voice calls out "begin!" He then dreams of getting stabbed in the left arm by the girl.
-He wakes up, and is initially confused as to where he is. Kaburaki does what he did last route. Hokuto wonders if his dream was a premonition, or if it was a vision of the future or his past. His left arm hurts. He looks down, and sees he has a scar on that arm.
-When he goes to breakfast, he can't stop thinking about the words of Tsugumi and Sara, and the dream. He thinks about Sara saying Tsugumi might have done it, and though he doesn't think she did it, a bad feeling spreads through his heart. His scar continues to hurt.
-Events play the same until Kaburaki is about to leave for the Control Room. You says she's going too, and though Kaburaki protests, she insists. The twins say the same. They go to the Control Room, where Sora gives the same explanation from Takeshi's Routes about the situation.
-When Kaburaki is about to say he'll go to the pump room, Hokuto says he's going instead, saying he's scared, but wants to overcome it. Kaburaki agrees, saying he'll find hope that way. Hokuto goes running off.
-Sara tells him to wait, that she's coming too, since she's a ninja. They head down the hallways. Hokuto wonders if Sara really is a ninja. Just then, Sara stops. Hokuto asks what's wrong, only for Sara to be silent, as she coldly stares at something. Hokuto follows her gaze to see Tsugumi in front of the hatch.
-Tsugumi is silent. Sara asks what she's doing and what she's planning this time. Tsugumi says nothing... yet. The two continue to stare at each other. Hokuto tries to break it up. Tsugumi turns towards Hokuto, and notices he's going. She tells him to watch out for danger.
-Hokuto asks if that's another prophecy. She says "maybe." Hokuto reminds her today's the 4th, and she said he'd die on the 7th. She says she didn't necessarily mean Hokuto would die, just someone. Sara demands to know what that means, and Tsugumi says they'll understand on the 7th.
-Sara asks if it'll be Tsugumi. She says, "that might be it as well." She then turns to leave, with Sara demanding to know where she's going. She says she's going back since she's hungry, and asks if there's a Tatsuta Sandwich for her. Sara tells her to stop joking, and Tsugumi said she wasn't joking.
-Hokuto tells her there is a sandwich, but it's in the CO concentrated Staff Room. Tsugumi thanks Hokuto, and as thanks, she says she'll tell him something good- that humans can last for a while even in extreme temperatures. With that, she leaves. Sara wonders what she's thinking. Hokuto wonders why Sara hates Tsugumi, and wants to ask, but the Sara turns cheerful again and says they should go on.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 5 (end-game spoilers):

-The twins arrive in the hallway outside the pump room. Sara comments it's an "Unknown Area", according to Sora. Outside the door, Hokuto notices it seems to be shining bright, like the generator room door. He then remembers the generator room had steam in it. He tries to approach the door, but thinks it'd be too dangerous to do so.
-They go on the other route. Sara hesitantly asks him if he had a premonition not to open the door, but Hokuto says no, it just seemed like the Generator Room door. She asks how it looked, and he says it looked like it was shining. Sara goes, "I-I see..." She then is lost in thought.
-The twins remain awkwardly silent as they go the other route. They arrive at the electrified hallway, and turn back. Hokuto says it looks like they're stuck, and Sara emptily says "I see..." As they try to go back, Hokuto ponders his dream and wonders if it was a premonition.
-He asks Sara if she thinks you can run away from a predetermined fate. She says no, because that's why it's fate. He then counters that if you have a strong will, you can, but she says fate is defined as a higher power than humans, so your will has nothing to do with it. She gets depressed, and Hokuto thinks she must have had a harsh life.
-Their awkward silence returns. Hokuto thinks about how he wants to cut through fate. He remembers Tsugumi telling him about how the body can last in extreme temperatures. He then realizes what he must do, and goes off running.
-He tells Sara to wait in the hallway while he goes, saying Tsugumi's words seem right. Sara shouts, "You believe her words?! But she's...!" Hokuto says he wants to believe in Tsugumi, and he wants Sara to do the same. Sara pauses, very reluctant. Hokuto then goes off.
-Hokuto goes to the hatch outside the pump room, and prepares himself. He turns the lever despite it burning his hands. He then struggles to walk through, but Sara comes, saying she doesn't believe in Tsugumi, but she believes in Hokuto.
-Mirroring what their parents did in this situation 17 years ago, the twins support each other and get down the hallway. They even say the same lines (making it awkward when Hokuto says Sara smells nice...) While walking, he wonders aloud why he knows about Sara, and she says "That's... maybe..."
-They activate the pumps. Hokuto once again tries to get Sara to trust Tsugumi, and Sara falls silent. They return to the Infirmary, and the scenes from You's Route repeat. This time, Sara gets hit with water on the back of her neck.
-When the find Andromeda is gone, Hokuto looks at Sara, who has a sad expression, just like when she said you can't run from fate. This time, it's Tsugumi who enquires Sora about the Control Room's status, and she actually agrees with Kaburaki that they have to keep going.
-Rest plays out the same until the gift shop, where Hokuto sees the MyunMyun doll, and remembers the incident from earlier. He thinks that the smell of the costume then smelled just like Sara.
-Sora comes in, and asks what he's doing. He says "I was looking at this." She says, "You were looking at swimsuits?" He then finds he's next to the swimsuit section, and asks where you can swim here. She says there's a heated pool... which is flooded, but there's still the hot springs.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 6 (end-game spoilers):

-After eating, Hokuto notices he doesn't see Sara or Tsugumi. He worries something's going wrong, so he leaves the room. He then walks around until he arrives at the Qualle. He hears a clicking sound coming from inside, and goes inside the gondola, which is dark.
-He sees Tsugumi clicking her infrared pen, and Hokuto sees orange light. Tsugumi notices him. He asks what she's doing, and she says she's remembering a person who's now gone, and she smiles kindly at Hokuto. He asks if the light (which he thinks is a flashlight) was his, and she says no, right now, she has nothing that he left behind.
(... REAL subtle, game...)
-She tells him not to worry, and that she came here to find something that he left behind. Hokuto asks if she's found it. She says, "Not yet, it seems... but I plan to definitely find it." He says she hopes she finds it, and she thanks him.
-She asks why he came here. He says he was looking for her, and he was concerned, but now he sees there was no need to be. He gets a little embarrassed, and Tsugumi giggles, saying, "You're a strange kid."
-He then thanks her for her premonition/advice, and she says you're welcome. She continues looking around, and Hokuto says he'll see her later.
(You know, even if it does ruin the mystery, as someone who's already beaten the game, I still kinda like this scene. It's nice to see Tsugumi have a relatively normal conversation with her son before the revelation, even if she won't tell him their relationship.)
-As he's walking down the hall, Hokuto notices the hot springs door. As he's about to go in, he hears a "scream" from Sara. The "swimming lessons" scene from the original ensues (with all the awkward incest subtext from the original...)
-At the end, Sara says she hasn't had this much fun since she was with You in high school, since she isn't free to do fun things normally. She then asks Hokuto if he'd like to go on a date with her.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 7 (end-game spoilers):

-They leave the hot springs, and Hokuto asks where they're going. Sara takes out her pamplet, and goes to the Lemurian Ruins first. She asks him if he thinks Lemuria had wars and conflicts as well. She says it would be cool if Lemuria had ninjas, psychics, aliens, and time travelers from the future.
(Wait a minute... aliens... time travelers... psychics... it's The Melancholy of Sara Matsunaga!)
-They go to the gift shop next, and Sara gets excited over the dolphin plushes, jumping in like Coco in her route (though we get no CG). Next, they head for the Qualle, but not before Sara grabs Hokuto's arm, causing his heart to jump and filling him with a sense of peace. They get on the Qualle.
-The gondola is still dark. Sara excitedly looks at the fish outside. She remarks how she's having fun, and would be having even more fun if they weren't in this situation. Hokuto understands that she's feeling lonely. She decides to show him her "treasure" as thanks for coming along with her.
-She takes the hologram pendant out of her pocket. Hokuto says it's pretty, and asks if it was a present from someone special. She says it's probably a memento of her parents. When Hokuto asks why she said "probably", she explains her parents have been gone ever since she was a kid.
-Hokuto apologizes for prying. She says it's fine, and that she doesn't know what her parents look like, as she doesn't remember them. She also tells him she has an older brother.
-She says she hasn't seen him since they were little, but she thinks he's alive, and she believes she'll see him again. She mutters, "It might be 'their' order, but..." then says it's nothing. She puts the pendant away.
-The ride finishes, and they get off. She thanks him for the "date" and goes running off. That night, Sara isn't in the Decompression Chamber. Hokuto can't sleep, so he goes out to get a drink.
-He hears Sara singing The Moon and Sea Lullaby. He follows her voice to the dark Maintenance Room. As she sings, Hokuto has a brief flash to the sun from underwater, and his head hurts again. He closes his eyes to rid himself of the pain. He is assulted by many emotions.
-He opens his eyes, and sees Sara sitting on top of the sub. When she finishes the song, she cries. End Day 4.
-Day 5.
-The same room from the dream last night, but it seems to be a classroom now. A man is talking about sabotage methods, how they're similar to guerilla tactics, and instructs them to construct a bomb. Hokuto thinks about how he and the girl who slashed his arm made food products, pharmaceutical products, detergents, etc.
-When he tries to get a good look at the girl, a flash is seen and a loud sound are heard. Just then, the girl gasps. She tries to shout something at Hokuto, but he can't hear it, and the world begins to fade away. He hears the girl scream, "...-chan!"
-Just then, as he's sleeping, Sara comes up and asks if he's awake. She then repeats Coco's words when waking Takeshi up (except she says he's a troublesome Kid, not "Onii-chan") She then says "W-a-k-e u-p, O-n-i-i-c-h-a-n" in a mischevious voice.

[Spamamdorf]

Spoiler for Ever 17:

Yeah the incest hasnt left yet, oh well. The only thing about it that really bugged me was the fact that Sara supposedly knew Hokuto was her brother the whole time.... And what are they throwing in their flashbacks there? The scientists at Lieblich made Sara and Hokuto fight when they got bored? I guess Sara is more ok with stabbing Hokuto than he was with stabbing her since you know Hokuto was supposed to be the more physically gifted one. And I guess we can see why the CG of Sara pointing a gun at Tsugumi happens if she's armed to the teeth like she is, it was bound to happen eventually that's why we have gun laws, geez

[GundamAce]

Originally Posted by Spamamdorf

Spoiler for Ever 17:

Yeah the incest hasnt left yet, oh well. The only thing about it that really bugged me was the fact that Sara supposedly knew Hokuto was her brother the whole time.... And what are they throwing in their flashbacks there? The scientists at Lieblich made Sara and Hokuto fight when they got bored? I guess Sara is more ok with stabbing Hokuto than he was with stabbing her since you know Hokuto was supposed to be the more physically gifted one. And I guess we can see why the CG of Sara pointing a gun at Tsugumi happens if she's armed to the teeth like she is, it was bound to happen eventually that's why we have gun laws, geez

Spoiler for Ever17:

I left out the details of the fight itself, but in it, I think Hokuto says he lost his balance at one point and fell, which is why he was left vulnerable to be stabbed in the arm.

Also note that as this remake has changed things considerably, perhaps Sara also inherited enhanced strength in this version.

[Spamamdorf]

Originally Posted by GundamAce

Spoiler for Ever17:

I left out the details of the fight itself, but in it, I think Hokuto says he lost his balance at one point and fell, which is why he was left vulnerable to be stabbed in the arm.

Also note that as this remake has changed things considerably, perhaps Sara also inherited enhanced strength in this version.

Spoiler for Ever 17:

Well I guess Hokuto got the short end of the stick on that one then, I mean if Sara really did get both the strength and the smarts and Hokuto only got one

[Kite22]

Originally Posted by GundamAce

BTW, playing through You's route again for a second time made me realize that it doesn't really hold up anymore once you've beaten the game, as most of the route is just Kid and You speculating about the mysteries, so once you know the answers...

So it's exactly like the original! it's REALLY boring (and I mean only Sora beats it but that's unfair in a way since Sora is a shared route, You doesn't have that excuse) and basically only exists so Kid has a love interest. The Bad ends were basically the same way. Takeshi had the only good one

Spoiler for Ever17 Endgame:

As for Sara never telling Hokuto about their relationship? well it makes sense, if he DOES have amnesia then trying to tell him "Hey I'm your Twin Sister! and we haven't seen each other in years!" would make her sound crazy. It's best to let him remember on his own since even if she does tell him..if he can't remember her at all then they aren't any better then total strangers.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 8 (end-game spoilers):

-Hokuto is startled by Sara's awakening. As he washes his face and calms down, he thinks back to his dream, but can't remember it. As he continues to wash, his scar throbs again. Rest plays out the same until Hokuto sneezes after eating chikuwa.
-Rest is same as You's until Hokuto is on his way to the Maintenance Room after getting drinks for him and Kaburaki. He sees Sara in the hallway, and follows her into the Infirmary. However, she's nowhere to be seen, so he looks in the Decompression Room.
-The lights are out, but he can see orange light in the darkness. It's Sara, who's holding her lighter and looking at the hologram pendant. Descriptions are the same as the similar scene from the original when she was doing this on top of the whale, but before Hokuto can look at the hologram, Sara notices him.
-He apologizes, but she says it's fine. She says dark places shining with fires are very pretty, and she finds it relaxing. Hokuto also finds himself relaxing, and they are silent until Sara gets hot from the lighter's flame. Hokuto says he'll hold the lighter. He brings it close to the pendant, and we see the same image of Takeshi in there.
-He asks what it is, and Sara's surprised he can see it. She explains how hologram pendants work. He asks who it is, and Sara remains silent. He then remembers her telling him yesterday that it was a memento of her parents, and he curses his ignorance.
-Just then, Sara says it's an alien from Planet Kui Kui. Hokuto is surprised, then she tells him she was joking, and that she thinks it's probably her father, and her brother's father. Hokuto apologizes for asking, but she says she's glad he could see it.
-She asks if he'd like to have it for a while, but Hokuto says no, since it's precious to Sara. She says it's because it's precious that she wants him to hold onto it. The lighter in his hand goes out as she leaves him with the pendant.
-Instead of seeing the image of the real Takeshi, Hokuto thinks that Kaburaki resembles the man in the pendant. He gets curious, so he takes out the pendant, but the image doesn't appear.
(To be fair, when I first played the game and saw the image of the pendant, my first reaction was "Isn't that Takeshi?")
-He then realizes he needs the lighter, and as he's about to use it, Kaburaki tells him that he can't smoke in here- not because he thinks Hokuto shouldn't be smoking, but because he could ignite some gas. Hokuto tells him he was just going to test something, and turns on the lighter.
-Takeshi's image appears. However, Hokuto remarks the image is much fainter than when he was with Sara. He compares the image to Kaburaki, but thinks they don't look alike. Kaburaki asks why he's looking at his face, asking "am I really that good of a man?"
-He then asks what he's doing with the lighter, and Hokuto explains the pendant. Kaburaki remarks they were popular in the past. He takes a look at it, and remarks there's nothing in it. Hokuto says he has to hold the lighter next to it, but Kaburaki remarks he still sees nothing.
-Hokuto thinks that strange, but Kaburaki shrugs it off and gives Hokuto back the pendant. They then do the repairs.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 9 (end-game spoilers):

-When they return to the Staff Room, Hokuto ponders why Sara gave him the pendant. He tests it again, and wonders why Kaburaki couldn't see it, since he can. You then comes back from the hot springs, all refreshed.
-She asks Hokuto if he's been in the hot springs, and he gives an answer that basically says "technically." She tells him he's got to go in for himself. He tells her about the repairs.
-She sees the lighter, and tells him LeMU is a no-smoking facility. He decides to test if You can see it, but she can't. She tells him to put out the flame, and asks why he has a lighter. She then comes to the conclusion that Kaburaki pressured him into trying smoking, and curses him, and leaves to find him and beat him up. Hokuto mentally apologizes to Kaburaki.
(Okay, that made me laugh.)
-He then wonders why Kaburaki and You couldn't see the man in the picture. Kaburaki then comes in, looking to tell You about the repairs, but is confused why he doesn't see her. Hokuto nervously tells Kaburaki he already informed You. Kaburaki says they should have a party.
-Rest is the same, except Hokuto finds Coco's carvings on the back of a different statue from last time. When the party starts, You has apparently beaten up Kaburaki off-screen. The rest of the party is the same, and it stays the same up until after Hokuto sees Kaburaki in the pool.
-Hokuto goes to the Decompression Chamber, all ready to sleep, but no one else is there. He thinks the others must be so excited about tomorrow that none of them can sleep. His scar hurts again. He looks at the clock, which then turns to midnight. End Day 5.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 10 (a.k.a. "That Other Infamous CG") (end-game spoilers):

-Day 6
-Hokuto looks at Sara's pendant, thinking about how she said it was a memento of her parents, and wonders once again why she gave it to him. He thinks about her words, along with what she said at the end of the party: "Yes, it'll be over tomorrow."
(I mistranslated it in You's Route, sorry.)
-Those words make him uneasy. He then gets off the bed and goes looking for Sara to give her back the pendant. He looks all over the place, but can't find her. He feels very scared for some reason. As he goes wandering again, he hears Coco's voice singing The Moon and Sea Lullaby.
-He follows the voice, and sees Coco in a hallway. She says, "I'm waiting... I'm waiting... That's why, for now... goodbye..." She disappears. Hokuto runs towards where she disappeared, and enters the Maintenance Room.
-In the darkness, Tsugumi and Sara are facing off. Tsugumi asks Sara why she called her out here at this time. Sara replies, "I thought I'd settle the score with you." Tsugumi asks, "score?"

Sara: "Will you honestly obey what I'm going to say, Leiblich's wanted woman?"
Tsugumi: "Leiblich... so they sent their cute lapdog with her tail wagging to come get me. But do you really think I'm just going to nod and be all 'Yes, of course'?"
Sara: "(Says something about how basically if she submits, then the safety of her life is guaranteed). The mission I received was just to recover the 'sample' known as Tsugumi Komachi... Do you understand what I'm saying?"

-Tsugumi says she does, and Sara asks if she'll submit or not. Tsugumi sarcastically wonders what she'll do. She says she's decided: she doesn't know who her master is, but if she's an untrained dog, then just howling won't accomplish anything.
-And then we get THAT CG. Sara pulls out a gun and says, "don't fool around..." Tsugumi calmly replies "I wasn't intending on fooling around." and Sara says she's doesn't intend to fool around either.
-Tsugumi asks if she thinks the gun will intimidate her. Sara says she's just talking tough. She then fires a shot. Sara says that was a warning shot, but the next one won't be. Tsugumi says, "... It's useless. You're unable to hear anything." She then takes a step towards Sara.
-Sara tells her to stay back, because she's serious... but the CG changes to show a hesitant look on her face. Tsugumi tells her to shoot, then. Zoom in on the CG onto Sara's face. Tsugumi gets closer to Sara. Sara says she'll really shoot, but the hesitation is clear in her voice, and her hands are trembling.
-Hokuto tells her to stop. He runs in front of Sara. Both are surprised to see him, and he asks what they're doing. Sara shouts at Hokuto to stay back, as it doesn't concern him. Hokuto says it does, and asks why she has a gun. He grabs it from her, and the two wrestle it.
-The gun lets off three shots, cause Sara to shriek in surprise. The bullets hit something behind Hokuto, causing a fire. Hokuto then grabs Sara and drags her away. She asks why he's here, and he says he came to give her the pendant, and takes it out. The flames cause the pendant to shine.
-When Tsugumi sees the pendant, she says, "That's..." in a shocked voice. She stares at the pendant, but then an explosion occurs, knocking Sara and Hokuto down. Hokuto loses consciousness.

[Spamamdorf]

Spoiler for Ever 17:

Ok that has to be one of the worst changes yet, there was literally no point to that, besides that Sara randomly works for Lieblich, Tsugumi not even flinching at the gun was funny but I mean still no reason to put that in there at all

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sara Part 11 (a.k.a. "Rant #2") (end-game spoilers):

-He wakes up in a partially flooded hallway to the sight of Sora. She expresses relief, and he wonders what happened to him. She tells him he has to evacuate as soon as possible, as a flood has broken out in the Maintenance Room, and he must get out via hatch.
-Hokuto wonders where Sara and Tsugumi are. He runs back to the flooding/burning Maintenance Room, where Tsugumi is, and stares down, looking for Sara. She's floating in the water, unconscious. He tries to reach for her, but there's pain in his right hand, and he realizes he hurt it in the explosion.
-Just then, Tsugumi grabs Sara, and tells him to hurry up and run. She puts Sara on top of the sub, gets on top herself, and tells Hokuto to take her hand. He does so, and she pulls him up.
-The sub rises with the water, and gets to the ceiling, where he sees a gangway ladder. Tsugumi tells Hokuto to go for the emergency hatch there. He says he can't reach it, so she tells him to jump. He jumps, grabs it, and Tsugumi helps him out.
-The room floods more and more, and she tells him to hurry. As they hurry up the hatch, Tsugumi says, "I'll get you out of here." Tsugumi then opens the hatch, and we get the CG from the game of Tsugumi holding the unconscious Sara.
-Tsugumi gets out, and finds that Sara has no pulse. Hokuto shouts at Sara to wake up. Tsugumi says they need to get to the Infirmary. They get their, and unlike the original, they throw off her shirt so they can put the defribulator on.
-The scene plays out the same as it did in the original until Hokuto is giving Sara the cardiac massage. During it, he says she needs to wake up so he can return the pendant. We then get a flash of the CG of the child Sara walking through the door, but at this point, Hokuto still hasn't realized they're related.
-When Sara regains consciousness, You is relieved that Sara's alive, as is Sora. Kaburaki says, "Good job... Kid." and Tsugumi makes a sound that's hard to describe, but she sounds like she could cry. Hokuto then loses consciousness.
-Unconscious, Hokuto sees the blurry image of the CG of Tsugumi holding Sara and Hokuto as babies. The text of the lullaby scrolls. When Hokuto wakes up in the Infirmary, he sees the pendant on the table next to him.
(GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Honestly, at this point, I give up on ever considering letting a newcomer play this version! I mean, think about it! What if someone decided to play Sara's Route second? Whoops, guess you're not surprised anymore! What, were they high when they decided to add it?! Okay, I'm going to stop here before I continue on ANOTHER rant!)
-Hokuto remembers the events that led up to this. He then hears Kaburaki and Tsugumi talking.

Tsugumi: "It's fine, just go there."
Kaburaki: "By 'go', what do you mean?"
Tsugumi: "Did you come here intending to feign ignorance?"
Kaburaki: "I'm telling you, what are you talking about?"
Tsugumi: "... HIMMEL! Go down to IBF from there!"

[Spamamdorf]

Spoiler for Ever 17:

You mean you hadnt yet given up on showing this to a new player? You're more forgiiving than me, but I definetly have to say that was another bad one there XD, thats the good thing about my being pessimistic about this game from the get-go at least I dont get pissed at the game XD

[GundamAce]

Originally Posted by Spamamdorf

Spoiler for Ever 17:

You mean you hadnt yet given up on showing this to a new player? You're more forgiiving than me, but I definetly have to say that was another bad one there XD, thats the good thing about my being pessimistic about this game from the get-go at least I dont get pissed at the game XD

Spoiler for Ever17:

No, I gave up by You's Route, but this is really what sealed the deal for me.

Though to be honest, as someone's whose already beaten the game, I still enjoy it. I actually do enjoy a lot of the changes, and I'm still having fun. It's just that I'm pissed because I was hoping this version could introduce a whole new legion of fans for this game, but now I don't want that. I don't want this version to be their first experience. I would recommend them to play the original first, then play this version so long as they're open-minded towards change. Honestly, I'm regretting starting that petition at Aksys...

At the very least, if they had advertized this version from the start as being for people who already finished the original, then it wouldn't have been so aggravating.

[Spamamdorf]

Originally Posted by GundamAce

Spoiler for Ever17:

No, I gave up by You's Route, but this is really what sealed the deal for me.

Though to be honest, as someone's whose already beaten the game, I still enjoy it. I actually do enjoy a lot of the changes, and I'm still having fun. It's just that I'm pissed because I was hoping this version could introduce a whole new legion of fans for this game, but now I don't want that. I don't want this version to be their first experience. I would recommend them to play the original first, then play this version so long as they're open-minded towards change. Honestly, I'm regretting starting that petition at Aksys...

At the very least, if they had advertized this version from the start as being for people who already finished the original, then it wouldn't have been so aggravating.

Spoiler for Ever 17:

Well I suppose you can look at it that way too, I mean some of it does sounf interesting (I want to see what on earth was going on with that "Sora in a Romance game" thing and what Takeshi was thinking Tsugumi was going to do as a Tsundere maid even though really I think she's more Kuudere than anything else, but at the same time I dont think I'd be able to play without getting aggravated at the things like Sara randomly working for Lieblich or half of Tsugumi's Good end dialoogue being cut out you know?