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1) Who is this corpse? 2) Why isn't it in the cousins' room in ep6 per Erika's outline? If you try to tell me it's a mannequin I may digitally laugh in your digital face, just fair warning. Quote:
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2010-08-03, 15:33 | Link #3862 | ||
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It doesn't seem like she needed the Shannon outfit anymore after that anyway. I don't remember the situation in EP3 too clearly at this point; it's clearly different in that she "revives", but the context is fuzzy to me now. Last edited by k//eternal; 2010-08-03 at 15:49. |
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2010-08-03, 15:55 | Link #3864 |
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I find the degree of margin for failure so ridiculous that this supposed hyper-intelligent Shkanon would not be so foolish as to try it. Ep1/2 is a better example of this; kill one, leave the other alive, fake his death later. Or simply have one disappear outright.
This proposal for ep3 goes beyond "risky" to "outright irresponsible," and if we're willing to buy that Beatrice gambles, that takes her out of the realm of "canny risk-taker" to "overconfident idiot." To then say nothing blows up in her face out of authorial fiat is to say the story can be as ludicrous as ryukishi wants it to be, because everyone will coincidentally behave exactly as necessary to make the culprit's plot work. That breaks several fundamental tenets of authorial trust and mystery novel good taste.
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2010-08-03, 16:02 | Link #3865 | |
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2010-08-03, 16:02 | Link #3866 | |
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And it even includes how the detective herself, Erika, coincidentally behaved. |
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2010-08-03, 16:06 | Link #3867 | |
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Or, if the plan is to kill everyone individually, why leave a body around to scare people? Have everyone who dies disappear. Creep people out. Pick them off slowly. And none of the things I raised are unreasonable considerations of things that could have gone wrong. Unless everyone's behavior is scripted, and they don't know the script has gone wrong, and that requires a lot of suspended disbelief with Kinzo's body present, then I cannot but see these things as essential considerations to a faking culprit. One person cannot observe a dozen and maintain his/her presence in a mostly public location where he/she is believed to exist as a dead body. It's asking too much logistically. One person would have endless trouble with this. It defies common and literary sense.
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2010-08-03, 16:14 | Link #3869 | ||
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2010-08-03, 16:21 | Link #3870 | |
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2010-08-03, 16:31 | Link #3871 | |
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That makes far more sense, though it still suffers a bit from the implausibility of Kinzo. He's a spanner in the works... errr, corpse in the incinerator.
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2010-08-03, 16:48 | Link #3873 |
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If it's for Battler's sake, why construct it if he's not going to be the one to break it anyway? At least he's present at the chapel and shed. He basically only hears about the closed room chain in ep3. A super cynic could easily just say everybody was talked into lying about the closed room chain and be done with it, but then you'd be saying that lie was only constructed for the sake of Meta-Battler.
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2010-08-03, 16:50 | Link #3874 | |
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Also, EP5 strongly hints that it's possible for someone to wash ashore alive, but that they don't do that in EP1-4. So, it may be that they wash ashore dead in those games.
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2010-08-03, 17:16 | Link #3876 |
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Hold on a minute. In episode 2 he definitely sees her face I mean he picks her head up so he can look at it, but he doesn't get to see George and Gohda up close at all. Rosa keeps him from doing that.
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It's specifically described that Shannon was lying face-down in the corner of the room, and that he only sees her face for a moment, is instantly horrified at what he's done, and grossed out by the guts pouring out of her. So yes, he saw it, but not clearly at all. The game specifically makes a point of this, so it's probably not a coincidence.
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2010-08-03, 17:27 | Link #3878 | |
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That's not to say it's impossible that someone else's corpse is disguised, but in my opinion, the corpse would have had to have been obtained before the conference. Killing one of the other -on servants makes the most sense to me, but your (and ryukishi's) mileage may vary. To me, the less the culprit(s) left to chance, the better. |
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2010-08-03, 17:31 | Link #3879 | |
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If this is a clue as you say so is being horrified at seeing people's intestines thrown about with candy.
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Since Ryuukishi has mirrored Agatha Christie's works so many times, it's possible that this is the same thing again. The culprit planned to use something else (is she's Shkanon, she'd almost have to make a dummy), but then found a dead or dying person close to the time of the crimes and decided to include her in her plans. After all, a recently dead corpse would be much more convincing than any dummy, no matter how well made. Quote:
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