(CR) White Album (All Episodes, 1-26)

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by golthin

I hope so. Misaki really deserves a better guy....

I agree, but I don't think there are any acceptable guys in this show, unfortunately. Every one of them, except maybe the bar-owner, is either a creep or a weakling. That makes four creeps (Touya, Eiji, Touya's dad, and the yakuza) and one weakling. Every one of the girl-girl relationships is better: Rina-Yuki, Haruka-Mana, Menou-shadow. Even Mana and her mom is a bit better, after seeing her mom talk about Mana being like her. Heck, it even seems as if Yayoi was a good manager for Rina, when she was.

I've never been able to get a real handle on the staff for this show. Nothing any of them has done before prepares me for this. The director, Yoshimura Akira, did one minor OVA in 2001, but otherwise has just done eps of shows like Xenoglossia and Ergo Proxy. The closest things are eps of Planetes and Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto.

The lead writer, Satou Hiroaki, was the director/writer of Yoshimune. And the animation company, Seven Arcs, did Nanoha, Inukami, Sekirei, and Asura Cryin'.

I guess the special flavour of the show comes from Aquaplus, which made the game, and whose chief, Shimokawa Naoya, is credited first on the website, for "planning."

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

I hope hes being trying hard to actually work on their relationship because he seems to anxious to get her done it should come naturally.

You see, that is where the problem comes from. Misaki has a problem seeing him in a romantic matter because after the kind of decent confession he did to her in her moment of need in the first season, he has not done anything else to further woo her. He is not doing further efforts to romance her and is just taking it for granted that she has an obligation to give him sex. Akira is the type of guy that woman lose interest on because they take women for granted and think that once they say yes, he can stop bathing and grooming.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by golthin

You see, that is where the problem comes from. Misaki has a problem seeing him in a romantic matter because after the kind of decent confession he did to her in her moment of need in the first season, he has not done anything else to further woo her. He is not doing further efforts to romance her and is just taking it for granted that she has an obligation to give him sex. Akira is the type of guy that woman lose interest on because they take women for granted and think that once they say yes, he can stop bathing and grooming.

Completely agree with you there. This is why i say he still FAILS even if you get the girl that does not make you a winner. If Akira does not change his ways its very possible for Misaki to get tired of him and go looking for a real guy. I dont see Akira as a man i see him as kid who whines when things dont go his way. Look at his reaction to what happen to Touya's father. Me personally i would not have said i cant face my friend i would own up to it and apologize. Misaki gave him a stern look and said "dont make me regret it"in a stern voice. Akira has some growing up to do before i think he can be a real b/f to her. If he thinks Misaki owes him sex he better start getting acquainted with his hand because he will never get in them pants acting this way.

[SuperKnuckles]

Touya and Akira are the definite fail-brothers at romance. Touya is either blissfully ignorant, painfully sadistic towards other peoples' feelings or maybe both. Akira is just a total dunce and the near-force-sex proves it.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by SuperKnuckles

Touya and Akira are the definite fail-brothers at romance. Touya is either blissfully ignorant, painfully sadistic towards other peoples' feelings or maybe both. Akira is just a total dunce and the near-force-sex proves it.

The main difference between Touya and Akira is that Touya has this aura that attract women while Akira doesn't. To add things against akira is that he acts like a lilttle kid in FRONT of the women while at least Touya only does it in privite and to himself.

[SuperKnuckles]

Good point. Though I think it's almost worse for Touya since he's keeping up a LOT of deception to boot.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by golthin

The main difference between Touya and Akira is that Touya has this aura that attract women while Akira doesn't. To add things against akira is that he acts like a lilttle kid in FRONT of the women while at least Touya only does it in privite and to himself.

An aura is the best way you can describe it. Maybe Touya's outer appearance attracts women, but we all know he is a jerk, so yeah. Akira is who he is because he lived in Touya's shadow. He should have found a new best friend a long time ago.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

but we all know he is a jerk, so yeah.

You know, touya has been put in an unwinable situation. He is being toyed by Yayoi and Eiji just to keep him out of the way. the best course of action in my opinion would have been to told Yuki that he couldn't handle the separation and give her a choice, her career or him. But he wanted both things, to hold to Yuki and to look cool and understanding of her dreams which he is not. So if you going to call him something, I would call weak.

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Akira is who he is because he lived in Touya's shadow. He should have found a new best friend a long time ago.

He couldn't even if he wanted. Touya was his only path to Misaki, he knew very well that Misaki was in love with Touya and that the only thing holding Misaki from going for Touya was Yuki. Akira was bidding his time, until a good chance appeared. Look at how Akira became hostile toward Touya as soon as he got the girl. You can't say Akira is Touya's best friend anymore.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by golthin

He couldn't even if he wanted. Touya was his only path to Misaki, he knew very well that Misaki was in love with Touya and that the only thing holding Misaki from going for Touya was Yuki. Akira was bidding his time, until a good chance appeared. Look at how Akira became hostile toward Touya as soon as he got the girl. You can't say Akira is Touya's best friend anymore.

There relationship seems as complicated as any romance. He became hostitle when he was close to getting Misaki. However he started to calm down and even helped look after Touya's father. Now whether he was doing for Misaki's sake or for Touyas is not clearly stated nor shown. But when Touya's dad collapsed Akira did agonize over facing Touya and the way he did it was like having to tell a friend something horrible. Maybe hes just moody or he realized Touya was right and all these years he himself was the coward. But i think he still considers Touya a friend just that hes focusing on trying to get Misaki in bed now.

Mark my words Akira wont be able to hang on to Misaki at this rate.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

There relationship seems as complicated as any romance. He became hostitle when he was close to getting Misaki.

My point was that if Akira had broken all ties with Touya, it would have been much harder for him to get closer to Misaki. DragoZERO stated that it would have been better for Akira to get a new best friend, which mean he had to spent less time with Touya, which also means less time being able to indirectly meet Misaki outside of the theater club.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by golthin

You know, touya has been put in an unwinable situation. He is being toyed by Yayoi and Eiji just to keep him out of the way. the best course of action in my opinion would have been to told Yuki that he couldn't handle the separation and give her a choice, her career or him. But he wanted both things, to hold to Yuki and to look cool and understanding of her dreams which he is not. So if you going to call him something, I would call weak.

He was a jerk before hand. He could only remember meeting Yuki once in the whole year and how he was acting towards Misaki.

Originally Posted by golthin

My point was that if Akira had broken all ties with Touya, it would have been much harder for him to get closer to Misaki. DragoZERO stated that it would have been better for Akira to get a new best friend, which mean he had to spent less time with Touya, which also means less time being able to indirectly meet Misaki outside of the theater club.

Akira met with Misaki on campus without Touya. He also showed he had enough in common with her, and a big enough brain, to hold good conversation with her. Its not like he just met Misaki a few weeks ago, they have known each other for years.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

He was a jerk before hand. He could only remember meeting Yuki once in the whole year and how he was acting towards Misaki.

Akira met with Misaki on campus without Touya. He also showed he had enough in common with her, and a big enough brain, to hold good conversation with her.

I understand that, but it is not the same. You ever hear the phrase about keeping your friends close and your enemies closers? Touya was also Akira's rival in love and the reason he couldn't Misaki for himself, until Misaki let go of him in her mind but not her heart. Now we have to see if the latest incident makes her finally let go of Touya in her heart. I think Akira was making himself have thing in common with her, he was just following her.
His strategy worked, now less see if the scriptwriters will give him a good ending or not.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by golthin

I understand that, but it is not the same. You ever hear the phrase about keeping your friends close and your enemies closers? Touya was

Very true one could even argue that in the end this tactic actually did get him the girl.

Actually golthin you touched on something interesting in your earlier post about the aura Touya gives off that seems to attract woman. As the audience of course we see it but i wonder did Akira ever truly see it as well leading to part of his bitterness?

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

As the audience of course we see it but i wonder did Akira ever truly see it as well leading to part of his bitterness?

I am sure he did notice it because Akira can be counted as being an audience. I agree it also lead to part of his bitterness. I don't think that Touya thinks of Akira as his best friend anymore, neither of them talk or confide on each other anymore. Akira is done with Touya and if he could break all ties he would, but Misaki still have them connected. This connection is what will cause the break up between Misaki and Akira if it happens.

I am going to make a prediction, Touya's father is going to die and Misaki will be the one that tries to cheer up Touya and something will happen and Akira finds out. Touya's dad is going to the hospital to often to be something simple.

[DragoZERO]

Maybe we'll find out what really happened in that forest. It seems like the only thing Touya can remember is what happened with his father, not what happened between him and Yuki. But, I do see Touya's father's condition getting a lot worse in the future. Him dying? I don't know... I hope not though.

Also, keep in mind that the timeline of the story started in the beginning of November. Right now, we just started January.

[golthin]

Hehehe Yuki's fan will kill me for this, but all this drama started because Yuki wanted to become an Idol. Being an Idol might more important than anything to her. Touya was crying again at the end, because he thinks that he and Yuki are done, but he went down without fighting or giving Yuki a chance to make a final choice. this might be another form of being a coward for him, he doesn't want to give Yuki the chance to make that choice.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by golthin

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I am going to make a prediction, Touya's father is going to die Touya's dad is going to the hospital to often to be something simple

I agree with you there i think we all see it coming im just not sure if he will die before he has the surgery or doing to remove the tumor. Hes seem to be at an advanced stage.

and Misaki will be the one that tries to cheer up Touya and something will happen and Akira finds out.

I cant even comprehend the down spiral this would cause if something were to happen between the two. Akira would go ballistic and if Yuki ever found dear god its a mess you would need several hoses to wash away.

I am sure he did notice it because Akira can be counted as being an audience. I agree it also lead to part of his bitterness. I don't think that Touya thinks of Akira as his best friend anymore, neither of them talk or confide on each other anymore. Akira is done with Touya and if he could break all ties he would, but Misaki still have them connected. This connection is what will cause the break up between Misaki and Akira if it happens.

I also agree Akira would cut all his ties to Touya if he could. But Misaki would never sever all ties so AKira is stuck with him. You are right they never talk nor confined in each other one could say that their friendship is not only over but we could also say did they ever truly have a friendship.

I just realized after your statement that the only person Touya really has to confide in (besides himself) is Yayoi and that just makes me sad for him. If we look at who Touya spends most of his time with its Yayoi its naturally he would start to talk a little.

Hehehe Yuki's fan will kill me for this, but all this drama started because Yuki wanted to become an Idol. Being an Idol might more important than anything to her. Touya was crying again at the end, because he thinks that he and Yuki are done, but he went down without fighting or giving Yuki a chance to make a final choice. this might be another form of being a coward for him, he doesn't want to give Yuki the chance to make that choice.

I for one think your right and there is nothing wrong with it. Every situation needs a catalyst and Yuki wanting to become an idol was the cause. You are spot on about Touya we forget that the guy actually does cry. Touya is acting just like his father no surprise there. Remember there convo in the hospital? Touya is afraid of being alone that much is certain. I never doubted he loved Yuki but man hes in a situation that looks liek there is no way to win.

[golthin]

Well, not much happened this episode imho.

Spoiler:

At least Yuki's tears weren't able to change Rina's decision. Akira's "this is my girlfriend" so annoyed me and damn his voice just hurt my ears. Good thing those were his only lines the whole episode. I get the feeling that Akira and Misaki usefulness is over with this episode and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't get much exposure after this..

[serenade_beta]

(´・ω・｀)...........

Spoiler for ep4:

The plot really isn't moving much for the given time each episode... The previous episode was slow too, but this episode just completely felt like nothing moved...
Where was Rina going anyways? She got out of the car and started heading in a direction different to where the car was headed........

Well, let's hope something accelerates soon... From the looks of it, Yayoi's stalker might finally make his move...?

[golthin]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

(´・ω・｀)...........

Spoiler for ep4:

The plot really isn't moving much for the given time each episode... The previous episode was slow too, but this episode just completely felt like nothing moved...
Where was Rina going anyways? She got out of the car and started heading in a direction different to where the car was headed........

Well, let's hope something accelerates soon... From the looks of it, Yayoi's stalker might finally make his move...?

actually, the previous episode seemed action packed compared to this one