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Key Board · 2013-10-31, 06:51

Not relying on her, and instead relying on L-Elf

ie: jealousy

GoldenLand · 2013-10-31, 08:16

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Originally Posted by iCK

Can we get a summary of what happened in the Saki manga that made her cry? Other than the fact he chose to fed on L-Elf. Haruto better not had said that he does not love Saki. If so, he burnt all bridges.

Well...that pic seems to show her saying "Idiot! Idiot Haruto!" and "Alone..." so it'll be a response to Haruto saying "let us, me and L-elf be alone together" like Golos quoted.

I don't know entirely whether her reason for crying is jealousy, though. It could be that she's crying because she thinks it's painful for Haruto to be dealing with his problem on his own. L-elf isn't exactly a friend or a person who can be relied on to take care of Haruto further than keeping him alive, so maybe to her, Haruto relying on L-elf is the same as Haruto being on his own, without support. And that would be hard for her to take.

And yeah, she could also be feeling shut out and unhappy about not being the one he's relying on. Going by ep 11 and the film lines she quoted there, Saki's the sort of person who thinks she wants to be chosen by one other person, and that that would be enough for her even if she was still feeling lonely as long as her loneliness was also that person's. Sounds as if she could get jealous. But my guess is that she'd still feel a lot better about Haruto relying on somebody other than her if that person wasn't L-elf. Nomming on L-elf seems to be Haruto's way of saying that he'll take everything onto his own shoulders.

Irenesharda · 2013-10-31, 08:28

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Originally Posted by GoldenLand

Well...that pic seems to show her saying "Idiot! Idiot Haruto!" and "Alone..." so it'll be a response to Haruto saying "let us, me and L-elf be alone together" like Golos quoted.

I don't know entirely whether her reason for crying is jealousy, though. It could be that she's crying because she thinks it's painful for Haruto to be dealing with his problem on his own. L-elf isn't exactly a friend or a person who can be relied on to take care of Haruto further than keeping him alive, so maybe to her, Haruto relying on L-elf is the same as Haruto being on his own, without support. And that would be hard for her to take.

And yeah, she could also be feeling shut out and unhappy about not being the one he's relying on. Going by ep 11 and the film lines she quoted there, Saki's the sort of person who thinks she wants to be chosen by one other person, and that that would be enough for her even if she was still feeling lonely as long as her loneliness was also that person's. Sounds as if she could get jealous. But my guess is that she'd still feel a lot better about Haruto relying on somebody other than her if that person wasn't L-elf. Nomming on L-elf seems to be Haruto's way of saying that he'll take everything onto his own shoulders.

I think this is possible. She could be berating him for trying to shoulder everything alone. For better or for worse, she's a part of this too as that night affected her just as much if not more than it affected him. However, she's being pushed to the side, rather then him talking to her and getting through this "curse" thing together. Haruto's leaning on L-elf, but like you said, that might as well be Haruto taking it all on himself since L-elf is more of a one-track mind person that doesn't let emotions get in the way of his mission. This whole thing is impersonal for him, he needs the Valvraves to run with the least amount of trouble from their vampire pilots, so he needs to feed the head one to keep everything running smoothly. That's all there is to it, no more, no less.

~BC~ · 2013-10-31, 09:14

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Originally Posted by erika4dsl

I always imagined that even if Haruto was decapitated he'll like grow a new head lol or his severed head would connect itself back into his body like time rewinds for his body.

Teehee, now I'm hoping we get something like this for today's episode. Can you imagine the mind screw if he's somehow able to still be aware when that happens?

Also, I get the impression L-Elf may have suspected that a head shot wouldn't work just on account of him changing his threat to decapitation instead. Unless I'm suppose to believe that he didn't have his gun in ep. 13?

Mephis · 2013-10-31, 12:26

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Originally Posted by amethystjewel

Spoiler for Spoiler for Saki's manga:

Found it on 4chan.

move the image to imgur or something then repost =w=;

iCK · 2013-10-31, 21:55

My speculation on the opening and closing:

Opening:
Haruto, Saki, L-Elf, and Shoko definitely cross breed or something.
Their not shipping them as obvious, but its still there.
Also, they are showing the final bosses for the VVV. There's really not much going on imo. Other than they show Haruto becoming like the new dictator of the world.

Closing:
There's something odd about Haruto, I don't think hes losing his memories like Marie, but he is definitely shouldering something he cannot handle on his own. As for the pictures of Shoko and Saki,why must they shine more like on Shoko as the happy girl? Saki also, looking depressed and her jacket off. Then the next scene skips to Haruto going in the berserk mode and lying on the snow only tells me that hes back on feeding on Saki.

Kakkou · 2013-10-31, 22:31

Prediction: Rune consumption can go as far as turning whole bodies into runes. Haruto & L-Elf sacrifice themselves for a major power hax or whatever extreme thing needs to be done at the climax. Pino & Prue use what's left of Haruto & L-Elf's runes to create immortal-shota-future-prince. Makes things more straightforward than guessing who bred with who. =P

Key Board · 2013-10-31, 23:11

Prediction:

I think recent incident will sour Haruto relationship with L-Elf
on the other hand, I don't see him feeding on another person besides L-Elf voluntarily

I think they will get into another argument because L-Elf left Saki behind, though

LightDragonman · 2013-10-31, 23:50

Heh, like I said, Saki is now essentially Private Ryan in terms of her current situation.

And I kind of have to side with Saki regarding Haruto. The latter doesn't need to shoulder everything on his shoulders, and he can't rely on L-Elf forever.

Irenesharda · 2013-11-01, 03:08

Weirdly, everyone seems to be moving away from Haruto. L-elf seems to be taking over leadership, Saki is with the Dorssians and is getting to know them, which will probably eventually make her sympathetic towards their side. Shoko's busy on the moon. Haruto's kind of been by himself. Even Pino doesn't talk to him for some reason.

What was so sad was that when Marie began to pilot VVVI and Haruto was just standing there on the shore, I was like "they are really trying to make you more and more useless aren't they?"

However, with Marie's death, Haruto gets to be pilot again. However, he will never really seem special or irreplaceable again though.

~BC~ · 2013-11-01, 03:24

I think I'm beginning to realize what's bothering me about Haruto lately. It feels like they're trying to tear down the character so he can develop and then build him back up but they've dragged out the downward spiral for too long, IMO. I'm also thinking he's about due for the "separated from the group" arc. But maybe they just decided to give that to Saki. In which case, I can only hope they give us a big reveal next episode that will light a fire under his backside.

LightDragonman · 2013-11-01, 03:43

Since he's piloting next episode, I'm guessing that he is heading out to retrieve Saki and Akira.

KleenexGhost · 2013-11-01, 06:31

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Originally Posted by ~BC~

I think I'm beginning to realize what's bothering me about Haruto lately. It feels like they're trying to tear down the character so he can develop and then build him back up but they've dragged out the downward spiral for too long, IMO. I'm also thinking he's about due for the "separated from the group" arc. But maybe they just decided to give that to Saki. In which case, I can only hope they give us a big reveal next episode that will light a fire under his backside.

This post makes optimistic about that. It's like you said, he's falling but it's taking forever for him to hit rock bottom so he can pick himself back up and level up.

Winterson · 2013-11-01, 09:55

The royalists hacked through JIOR and offered them a safe escape from Dorssia. If this is ostensibly the start of an impending revolution within the bounds of the nation's jurisdiction then, it can also be a scheme devised by some who might be one of the magius. May it be for some evil purpose or not, the princess has her ways of knowing, for even though she's somewhat held as political prisoner, Liselotte still has her little power and influence to make others follow her orders. Now that she was seen entering a steaming fridge that has a clover emblem on its covering while she's on her black undies and talking to Cain like they're intimate to each other, it makes me wonder if Liselotte is still the same benign girl L Elf knew and or if Cain is entirely bad since he's for some reason acquainted with the princess who is known for her divine kindness.

Was Amadeus a really bad person who only lust for power? He left Cain the task of infiltrating JIOR, not knowing his sole motive and him being a magius. When chibi L Elf was pursued on the run by the soldiers, the monarchy still had dominion over the land not until the coup d'etat led by Fuhrer's faction happened. The brutality in their status quo was rampant even before the royal family was overthrown. Amadeus was nothing more than just a pawn used probably by the magius to fool the world, making it appear that Dorssia owes it all to him because of whatever happened during that bloody Thursday?. . . Friday? I forgot.

As to Marie, If she's only comatose, there is still hope, but I fear she's not, and L Elf will not matter to report it back to M77. The incident with Marie must be kept classified for the time being.

Fjoergyn · 2013-11-01, 10:09

After 16 chapters Haruto begins to develop, that's awful

1: I think Saki and Adrei scene is more for her to begin to understand the magnitude of a conflict and be able to understand the behavior of L-Elf.

2: Where is the body of Saki

3: I do not expect good reaction of L-Elf when he learns that his princess is a vampire.

4: L-Elf could be a future pilot of Unit 01, I think if.

MK-95- · 2013-11-01, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Fjoergyn

After 16 chapters Haruto begins to develop, that's awful

Agreed. Its reached a point where the changes will be noticed. The transition can't be smooth because they(Sunrise) took too long to do it.

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1: I think Saki and Adrei scene is more for her to begin to understand the magnitude of a conflict and be able to understand the behavior of L-Elf.

I have this feeling that L-Elf's first TRUE friend may be in fact Saki. She'll have that "understanding both sides' reasons" advantage to work with. She'll get to see what its like to be a Dorssian & get to compare it with her Jior lifestyle.

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2: Where is the body of Saki

They'll probably take care of that off-screen. So I'm not too worried about it.

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3: I do not expect good reaction of L-Elf when he learns that his princess is a vampire.

He's gonna flip some tables...XD He'll be like "Is EVERYONE I know a vampire?!!!"...lol

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4: L-Elf could be a future pilot of Unit 01, I think if.

After Marie proved that the VVVs can have more than one active/registered pilots, I'm actually seeing the possibility that L-Elf may become a pilot later down the road.

He'll need for Pino to accept him though.

Fjoergyn · 2013-11-01, 13:32

Remember to that scene, Pino was having an orgasm with L-Elf

Pino will accept

Key Board · 2013-11-01, 13:36

He could become kamitsuki but I think having to feed Haruto and himself might not be a good idea
especially since it's revealed that runes contain memories

now if he can find a way to lock up Haruto forever without the other pilots making an issue about, he might do it

~BC~ · 2013-11-01, 13:51

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Originally Posted by Fjoergyn

Remember to that scene, Pino was having an orgasm with L-Elf

Pino will accept

Ugh, people keep misinterpreting that scene. She has no interest in L-Elf like that. She was reacting to the words Kibukawa used. Now that Marie is gone however L-Elf might be able to exploit her loneliness to get answers or maybe get registered as a pilot himself.

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He could become kamitsuki but I think having to feed Haruto and himself might not be a good idea
especially since it's revealed that runes contain memories

now if he can find a way to lock up Haruto forever without the other pilots making an issue about, he might do it

Not sure I follow. Why would he be locking Haruto up again?

Fjoergyn · 2013-11-01, 14:14

In one flashback L-elf kills with a knife and in the other adrei with a gun??

Maybe it animation error or is there something more.

2013-10-31, 06:51	Link #1341
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	Not relying on her, and instead relying on L-Elf ie: jealousy __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2013-10-31, 23:11	Link #1348
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	Prediction: I think recent incident will sour Haruto relationship with L-Elf on the other hand, I don't see him feeding on another person besides L-Elf voluntarily I think they will get into another argument because L-Elf left Saki behind, though __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2013-11-01, 03:08	Link #1350
Irenesharda Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Chicago	Weirdly, everyone seems to be moving away from Haruto. L-elf seems to be taking over leadership, Saki is with the Dorssians and is getting to know them, which will probably eventually make her sympathetic towards their side. Shoko's busy on the moon. Haruto's kind of been by himself. Even Pino doesn't talk to him for some reason. What was so sad was that when Marie began to pilot VVVI and Haruto was just standing there on the shore, I was like "they are really trying to make you more and more useless aren't they?" However, with Marie's death, Haruto gets to be pilot again. However, he will never really seem special or irreplaceable again though. __________________ "Someone who cannot forgive lies or secrets, will never trust another." - Major Kyosuke Hyobu

2013-11-01, 09:55	Link #1354
Winterson Wrath of Her Fury Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Earth's last post of defense	The royalists hacked through JIOR and offered them a safe escape from Dorssia. If this is ostensibly the start of an impending revolution within the bounds of the nation's jurisdiction then, it can also be a scheme devised by some who might be one of the magius. May it be for some evil purpose or not, the princess has her ways of knowing, for even though she's somewhat held as political prisoner, Liselotte still has her little power and influence to make others follow her orders. Now that she was seen entering a steaming fridge that has a clover emblem on its covering while she's on her black undies and talking to Cain like they're intimate to each other, it makes me wonder if Liselotte is still the same benign girl L Elf knew and or if Cain is entirely bad since he's for some reason acquainted with the princess who is known for her divine kindness. Was Amadeus a really bad person who only lust for power? He left Cain the task of infiltrating JIOR, not knowing his sole motive and him being a magius. When chibi L Elf was pursued on the run by the soldiers, the monarchy still had dominion over the land not until the coup d'etat led by Fuhrer's faction happened. The brutality in their status quo was rampant even before the royal family was overthrown. Amadeus was nothing more than just a pawn used probably by the magius to fool the world, making it appear that Dorssia owes it all to him because of whatever happened during that bloody Thursday?. . . Friday? I forgot. As to Marie, If she's only comatose, there is still hope, but I fear she's not, and L Elf will not matter to report it back to M77. The incident with Marie must be kept classified for the time being. __________________ WORDS ARE JUST WORDS UNLESS YOU PUT MEANING INTO IT.

2013-11-01, 13:36	Link #1358
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	He could become kamitsuki but I think having to feed Haruto and himself might not be a good idea especially since it's revealed that runes contain memories now if he can find a way to lock up Haruto forever without the other pilots making an issue about, he might do it __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2013-10-31, 21:55	Link #1346
iCK Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012	My speculation on the opening and closing: Opening: Haruto, Saki, L-Elf, and Shoko definitely cross breed or something. Their not shipping them as obvious, but its still there. Also, they are showing the final bosses for the VVV. There's really not much going on imo. Other than they show Haruto becoming like the new dictator of the world. Closing: There's something odd about Haruto, I don't think hes losing his memories like Marie, but he is definitely shouldering something he cannot handle on his own. As for the pictures of Shoko and Saki,why must they shine more like on Shoko as the happy girl? Saki also, looking depressed and her jacket off. Then the next scene skips to Haruto going in the berserk mode and lying on the snow only tells me that hes back on feeding on Saki.

2013-10-31, 22:31	Link #1347
Kakkou Tch. Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Australia	Prediction: Rune consumption can go as far as turning whole bodies into runes. Haruto & L-Elf sacrifice themselves for a major power hax or whatever extreme thing needs to be done at the climax. Pino & Prue use what's left of Haruto & L-Elf's runes to create immortal-shota-future-prince. Makes things more straightforward than guessing who bred with who. =P

2013-10-31, 23:50	Link #1349
LightDragonman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	Heh, like I said, Saki is now essentially Private Ryan in terms of her current situation. And I kind of have to side with Saki regarding Haruto. The latter doesn't need to shoulder everything on his shoulders, and he can't rely on L-Elf forever.

2013-11-01, 03:24	Link #1351
~BC~ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	I think I'm beginning to realize what's bothering me about Haruto lately. It feels like they're trying to tear down the character so he can develop and then build him back up but they've dragged out the downward spiral for too long, IMO. I'm also thinking he's about due for the "separated from the group" arc. But maybe they just decided to give that to Saki. In which case, I can only hope they give us a big reveal next episode that will light a fire under his backside.

2013-11-01, 03:43	Link #1352
LightDragonman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	Since he's piloting next episode, I'm guessing that he is heading out to retrieve Saki and Akira.

2013-11-01, 10:09	Link #1355
Fjoergyn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Last.fm	After 16 chapters Haruto begins to develop, that's awful 1: I think Saki and Adrei scene is more for her to begin to understand the magnitude of a conflict and be able to understand the behavior of L-Elf. 2: Where is the body of Saki 3: I do not expect good reaction of L-Elf when he learns that his princess is a vampire. 4: L-Elf could be a future pilot of Unit 01, I think if.

2013-11-01, 13:32	Link #1357
Fjoergyn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Last.fm	Remember to that scene, Pino was having an orgasm with L-Elf Pino will accept

2013-11-01, 14:14	Link #1360
Fjoergyn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Last.fm	In one flashback L-elf kills with a knife and in the other adrei with a gun?? Maybe it animation error or is there something more.