2011-09-23, 20:36 | Link #1121 | |
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However, it is alright for you to say the critics are being overly critical and that some people just need to chill down and stop playing the critic because they are focusing more on the negative than on the positive. People who bash you for stating that are just as flawed as you are in this post where you call people that are critical of the show as lacking manliness, whatever that is meant to imply. Do note that it is completely within your discretion to think of them as wusses. But you had better keep it to yourself if you wish to be paid any heed to in a discussion. Ad-hominem almost always turns the discussion sour and unproductive. And that is never cool. You lose if you come down to that while the idea wasn't to win or lose but to gain a better perspective of the complete picture together. Both people like you and the haters had better realize that before you break and ruin all the fun although I figure its too late for the most part. |
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2011-09-23, 23:47 | Link #1123 |
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I still don't understand what's going on XD
This episode made me feel like when I read tsubasa reservoir; it's a constant "waat?" On a sidenote, this episode made me feel very bad for Saya.... she's the loneliest Saya ever... Otonashi had a lot of people that cared for her the first Saya (or this one, before the memory wash, who knows at this point) was a loner and didn't care But Kisaragi really liked her life, and then "psyke! everyone hates you!" I want a happy ending for her, I really do |
2011-09-23, 23:57 | Link #1124 |
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That should just about cover it.
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2011-09-24, 00:13 | Link #1125 |
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^ Well at long last we finally got to see a vampire chick doing vampire things. Appropriately, Saya ended up being the first one in that category.
I don't mind talks without killing things, but the talks in the early episodes didn't do anything for me because they just consisted of the twins being stupid, Saya being annoying, Yuka being...well, nothing, and the class rep being boring. I guess that was the point? But it could've been executed better, again by giving the characters "real" fake personalities. |
2011-09-24, 00:39 | Link #1126 |
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Count me among the "meh" crowd. First off: every single reveal was prepared and made sense. The plot is solid and makes sense. Also, there was this puzzling phenomenon where the more screentime a character got the less I cared if they died. Now I know why. It makes sense. If you're watching for plot, I can sort of see why you would like the show.
But I don't. I watch for character. And here the show hasn't given me anything. Since everything was fake from the start (and it felt fake from the start), I never got to care for anyone. I just barely care for Saya's father, of all people. But that's about it. If they hadn't focussed on surprise, and each character had their own development, you could have a complex story about characters double crossing each other for their own gain, with poor naive (and fake) Saya caught in the middle. I honestly think keeping the secret was a bad move, because it removed all drama from the show. Admit it from episode one, and you can actually develop all their motivations, making me care what happens to them. As it stands, I had an "ah" experience (nothing surprised me too much, really). I also think huge monster is daddy. And I'd say you can't discount Tokizane yet, as his "I did it for the money," sounds a bit like an act, too, and doesn't account for the looks that he exchanged with Saya's father (unless that guy, too, owes him money?). The problem is that - at that point - I don't care much if I'm wrong or right. Put me in charge of the writing, and just before the final reveal, it turns out the entire village is a giant furukimono, and it swallows them all whole, so they all die surprised. (Luckily, they did not hire me, so you'll get the real ending. ) |
2011-09-24, 01:03 | Link #1127 | |
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Maybe the staff did their job too well? You're absolutely right, the plot and the audio visual elements are what have kept me tuning in. I want to know how the mystery ends. However I feel nothing for the characters, and that's a shame. Well, that's not entirely true. I feel sympathy for Saya (that's one heck of a mind screw) and the Teacher and the twins are neat to watch.
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2011-09-24, 01:24 | Link #1128 |
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The idea isn't necessarily flawed in this anime, but it was executed horribly. I get the point in setting up Saya's "fake" life, but this was.... Should I say not well done? The character interactions were fake, sure I get that... But they need to make this interesting. The pay off just didn't seem big enough to justify how much of a grind it was at the start.
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2011-09-24, 05:41 | Link #1130 |
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As expected as this revelation was, it left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Are you telling me that the furukimono that "ate" the first twin was actually munching a fake corpse? And how the heck did Tokizane escape the furukimono under Saya's eyes while leaving a pool of blood in his stead? Even Yuka... did she carry a pack of fake blood with her all the time?
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2011-09-24, 09:34 | Link #1132 |
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this might be the first eps without any action... no matter what happen, i still think the actions were good in this series, especially eps 1
i guess in the final eps, Saya will slay them all, get back her memories, escape the village and start singing her cheerful song with blood all over her body, the end
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2011-09-24, 09:42 | Link #1133 | |
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A plot that revolves ENTIRELY around one huge reveal. We had nine or so episodes that did nothing other than hint at this conspiracy. I would have been fine with it if the reveal had been mind-blowing. However, the hints were so obvious some of us had already guessed we were watching the Truman show with vampires not even three episodes in. While there were a few interesting infos distilled in a couple more episodes, most of them are still rather pointless. You could easily cut out more than half of the episodes and you wouldn't lose out on anything. The second problem is the lack of any actual characters. They could have avoided turning this into a total snorefest if the characters hadn't been all incredibly shallow, and their interaction with Saya superficial. It was intentional, I get it. Sadly, a show were not a single character is likable is not very fun to follow. Don't even get me started on Saya. She's nothing more than a doll. What else is left? The fights, which started feeling very forced after a while. It's like they had a quota of blood to fill. At least some of them were neatly animated. Now, about the episode itself. While the big surprise was no surprise at all, I enjoyed seeing the twins and Tokizane taking off their masks. I particularly loved that Tokizane turned out to be disgusted by Saya. I also enjoy the twins a lot more now that they're annoying cunts rather than plain annoying. The twins (and Tokizane) being simple humans who faked their deaths was indeed unexpected... mostly because that's impossible. They had bells that repels monsters? That's cool, except they were killed right in front of Saya, I would think she would have noticed something. Unless... wait a minute... she didn't see anything because of those giant beams of light/darkness! The censorship was in her mind! Now that I think about it, we didn't see their deaths because of it either. It all makes sense now. Oh, I forgot about the dog. He's the only decent character in this series, even if his presence seems uncalled for. I'm waiting for an explanation but I'm not holding my breath.
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2011-09-24, 17:23 | Link #1137 | |
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Blood-C winked winked, and nudged nudged, about its big conspiracy a bit too much, which probably made it a bit too obvious. I think what would have helped is if the more of the characters had compelling "cover" personalities, like what Tokizane had (which is why his true personality being revealed really did surprise me). I also think that the relative emptiness and odd elements of the town were played up a bit too much. I'm not necessarily saying that no hints at all should have been there, but they probably should have been more hidden and subtle than what they were. On a very related note, Blood-C Episode 11 prompted me to write this. It's a look at anime plot twists in general, but it does focus a lot on what we just witnessed in Blood-C.
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2011-09-25, 01:55 | Link #1138 |
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Heh, it's all fake. Couldn't say I didn't see it coming. And all the 'main cast' characters faked their death. Okay...
Now how did Nene or was it Nono (who cares, whatever) fake getting possessed and going on a killing spree? Saya knew the girl was real... |
2011-09-25, 13:28 | Link #1139 | |
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But that's just plot. I didn't care about Tokizane anymore than about any of the others. It's just so flat. Better cover personalities wouldn't have helped for me. I mean, if I bought them, they might have got me engaged until the ending, but then I'd probably have felt that I wasted all the emotions I invested, and I'd be mad as hell at the show. Unless they did it very well. To me, whatever you do to strengthen the twist, will come at the expense of character. A twist is supposed to support the story, and - to me - what makes a story interesting is character interaction and motivation. And keeping this particular twist a surprise almost necessarily comes with a trade-off for characters, other than Saya. What we get is a one-woman show, and Saya herself does little else but revert to a fake facade (as one of the twins aptly notes in the latest episode). Compare this to Madoka, where each character has her own hang-ups, and these lead to revelations. It doesn't matter whether you guess the next plot-twist ahead, because it's the character reaction to the twist that matters. In Blood-C, all you really get is "poor Saya", and that feels pretty empty, since you're not sure how to take "Saya". I mean, you seem to have clean split in the middle with red-eyed Saya being a killing machine, and day-to-day Saya being a lovable klutz, and they don't meet. The only way I can see this work for me is to abandon the surprise altogether. Or condense what we have so far into about three episodes; that might work, too, depending on what they'd do next. |
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2011-09-25, 18:14 | Link #1140 | |
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Just hoping for Saya to come to her senses and kill them all! |
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