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Captain Roronoa Zoro · 2008-10-05, 10:14

just thought id point out there is no way ichigo can beat ulqi and walk away like he did grimmyjow he hasnt gotten any stronger since they last fought or since this rescue inoue arc began the only thing tht has changed is his time limit for the mask so the only way he can win is either he is getting help or they are gunna pull out a goku. If he beats ulquiorra the writers messed up somewhere.

Ryuuken · 2008-10-05, 10:55

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Originally Posted by Captain Roronoa Zoro

just thought id point out there is no way ichigo can beat ulqi and walk away like he did grimmyjow he hasnt gotten any stronger since they last fought or since this rescue inoue arc began the only thing tht has changed is his time limit for the mask so the only way he can win is either he is getting help or they are gunna pull out a goku. If he beats ulquiorra the writers messed up somewhere.

agreed... one cannot gain strength from a battle he just fought
unless they are saiyans =P

Amirali · 2008-10-05, 11:08

It wouldn't be unprecedented in Bleach. Many of Ichigo's powerups have manifested suddenly during battle. That includes his surge against Kenpachi and his mask time-limit raise against Grimmjow.

Ryuuken · 2008-10-05, 11:16

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Originally Posted by Amirali

It wouldn't be unprecedented in Bleach. Many of Ichigo's powerups have manifested suddenly during battle. That includes his surge against Kenpachi and his mask time-limit raise against Grimmjow.

I also do criticzie that...
I mean... Ichigo defeats kenpachi ? Just assuming it, I mean... no
I only won back then because he is the hero. I think he has great potential and stuff but sometimes it just gets way out of hand.

And I think, being able to defeat a full power Espada, No 4, using his release(ressurrection) is just too much of this "the hero always wins" =/

And even more disturbing is the thought that at some time, Ichigo of all people in Bleach will defeat Aizen...

I kinda feel like Byakuya: he is so young, and Bleach characters are hundred of years old, and he just stomps on all their pride =//

Captain Roronoa Zoro · 2008-10-05, 11:43

looks like the writers put themselves in a corner if he beats ulquiorra its bull if he beats aizen its mega super ultra bull

Casshern · 2008-10-05, 11:48

^^As far as I'm concerned it will be bull if anyone at all manages to defeat Aizen. I really want him to succeed. Same goes for Gin... whatever it is he's planning.

Gin and Aizen are just too cool to let them lose.

kayote · 2008-10-05, 11:51

i'm sure by that time he will have some crazy techniques that he can add to his arsenal. maybe his bankia will have some sort of full release. he did release his bankia at an early time and age. he did not do the 10 years traning. there are many factors that can be put in before he faces off against Aizen. also see the difference between the senior captains and the new ones.

the difference that Ikkaku's and Komamaru's bankia is huge. i would think that Komamaru took a long time in developing his bankia to that stage. (at least i hope so). people like Ikkaku, Ichigo,Renji, Hitsuguya. they all have Bankia but, from the looks of it, it does not look like it is the compleate article.

WONDERMIKE · 2008-10-05, 12:15

right, Iba talking about the difference between bankais could be a hint -> Ichigo discovering a new bankai stage/ability soon?

Amirali · 2008-10-05, 12:25

It seems Ikkaku will make more appearances in future. No point Kubo showing Ikkaku get a talking to unless he's going to mature into a responsible fighter.

And with Kenpachi's keen discernment of enemy power levels, I'd be shocked if he doesn't know of Ikkaku's bankai already.

Casshern · 2008-10-05, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Amirali

It seems Ikkaku will make more appearances in future. No point Kubo showing Ikkaku get a talking to unless he's going to mature into a responsible fighter.

Yes, I agree. Komamura could easily beat Po without bankai, but I think he used it to prove a point to Ikkaku.

Amirali · 2008-10-05, 13:13

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Yes, I agree. Komamura could easily beat Po without bankai, but I think he used it to prove a point to Ikkaku.

Agreed. The question is, how many people are interested in seeing more Ikkaku fights? That's where this character development seems to be heading, unfortunately.

MAQI · 2008-10-05, 13:54

For me it'll be ok if Ikkaku gets more fights, his fights are pretty bloody (except this last one). I honestly like him but kubo did him a great wrong by not doing like he did with yumi (hiding the fight from the SS). Either way its all good, but it makes you wonder, if Ikkaku is this strong and he is the third and yumi is also super strong and he is the fifth seat, then I guess Yachiru is like major bad ass little loly!!!!!! I hope kubo gives us a fight with her!!!!!!

kk2extreme · 2008-10-05, 14:08

ichigo is not even close to being as powerful as his full hollow form during training.

Q: How come he hasnt use a single cero yet, shinji used it before and he should be able to use it too?

Thewanderer · 2008-10-05, 14:17

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Q: How come he hasnt use a single cero yet, shinji used it before and he should be able to use it too?

I assume it's like kido for Shinigamis. Ichigo hasn't learned any of that at all. He's probably leaning toward that way with hollow abilities too. That obviously don't apply to White/Hollow Ichigo though.

Zu Ra · 2008-10-05, 14:30

IMO Ichi doesnt need Cero KGT does the same damage doesnt it. Also KGT has an advantage it can be shot in quick succession ( matter of seconds) unlike Cero which needs a basic interval

Langus · 2008-10-05, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Amirali

It wouldn't be unprecedented in Bleach. Many of Ichigo's powerups have manifested suddenly during battle. That includes his surge against Kenpachi and his mask time-limit raise against Grimmjow.

To be fair, Ichigo's fight against Kenpachi was more of a draw than a solid win. Ichigo himself was convinced he had lost. The only reason he wasn't cut all the way through the middle, according to Hanataro, was because of that hollow mask hidden in his uniform. Kenpachi underestimated him as well considering he only used one hand to fight him off.

As for Grimmjow, didn't he say during their fight that Ichigo's mask time limit had been raised due to fighting experience? Considering that's all Ichigo has been doing since he arrived in HM and he's always whipped out the mask, it's certainly plausible.

Just saying, the guy may have had a lot of power ups, but the writers make a point to explain where they came from or how they came about and some, when you look a bit closer, aren't actually power ups at all but rather luck of the circumstances (ie. Kenpachi fight).

Mr. DJ · 2008-10-05, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Ryuuken

I also do criticzie that...
I mean... Ichigo defeats kenpachi ? Just assuming it, I mean... no
I only won back then because he is the hero. I think he has great potential and stuff but sometimes it just gets way out of hand.

And I think, being able to defeat a full power Espada, No 4, using his release(ressurrection) is just too much of this "the hero always wins" =/

And even more disturbing is the thought that at some time, Ichigo of all people in Bleach will defeat Aizen...

I kinda feel like Byakuya: he is so young, and Bleach characters are hundred of years old, and he just stomps on all their pride =//

the fights in HM have been so questionable it makes me feel kinda...bleh about it as a whole now...despite my Kenpachi fandom...

1) Ishida should be dead...there's no getting around it, your stomach is crushed...that's acid eating at your insides...

2) Mayuri and Kenpachi are extreme hax, seriously...less than a hour Mayuri replaces all his organs and such w/ artifical ones and he doesn't get incapacitated even though they were destroyed? Kenpachi...love ya to death, but wtf...Kendo.

3) Ichigo was too damn calm after having his leg broke and his arm snapped like a twig. "Oh no Orihime, go heal Nel first. One of my arms and legs may have been rendered useless...but go heal Nel first, despite she should of hurt me more when she glomped me." *facepalm x OVER 9000!!!!!*

Also...if Ulquiorra's resurrection form is anywhere short of awesome, I will be annoyed, especially after seeing the black dudes princess pumpkin form...

MAQI · 2008-10-05, 17:27

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Originally Posted by DjTrizz

the fights in HM have been so questionable it makes me feel kinda...bleh about it as a whole now...despite my Kenpachi fandom...

1) Ishida should be dead...there's no getting around it, your stomach is crushed...that's acid eating at your insides...

2) Mayuri and Kenpachi are extreme hax, seriously...less than a hour Mayuri replaces all his organs and such w/ artifical ones and he doesn't get incapacitated even though they were destroyed? Kenpachi...love ya to death, but wtf...Kendo.

3) Ichigo was too damn calm after having his leg broke and his arm snapped like a twig. "Oh no Orihime, go heal Nel first. One of my arms and legs may have been rendered useless...but go heal Nel first, despite she should of hurt me more when she glomped me." *facepalm x OVER 9000!!!!!*

Also...if Ulquiorra's resurrection form is anywhere short of awesome, I will be annoyed, especially after seeing the black dudes princess pumpkin form...

No, really. Tell us how you really feel.

Yeah, gotta agree with you on those points Trizz. Bleach is like that, there are times when I get pissed at the way things happen too. Then KT puts upp a couple of good Orihime pages, or a good fight and I am happy again...

kayote · 2008-10-05, 18:52

s****d Orihime should just go and wipe Uli from existence. just as he is about to deliver the final blow on Ichigo. that would be so bad but, just about acceptable. the Hime can go on a rampage and wipe out everything and he big jugs burst because of the power crazyness and she dies and everyone lives happly ever after.

lol..

Slayerx · 2008-10-05, 19:37

On the whole Ichigo Cero thing... isn't his Getsuga essentially a Cero blast?
i mean all a Cero blast is a massive blast of concentrated energy... That's basically what Ichigo's attack is except it comes for the his sword instead his mouth or hands and it fires out in a crescent shape... And the shape of a cero can vary like with coolhorn's attack

ok ya, maybe you wouldn't call Getsuga a Cero blast, but the principle of the attack is more or less the same... Would Ichigo using Cero actually make any real difference?

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kayote Looking for ONE PIECE Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sleeping Forest	i'm sure by that time he will have some crazy techniques that he can add to his arsenal. maybe his bankia will have some sort of full release. he did release his bankia at an early time and age. he did not do the 10 years traning. there are many factors that can be put in before he faces off against Aizen. also see the difference between the senior captains and the new ones. the difference that Ikkaku's and Komamaru's bankia is huge. i would think that Komamaru took a long time in developing his bankia to that stage. (at least i hope so). people like Ikkaku, Ichigo,Renji, Hitsuguya. they all have Bankia but, from the looks of it, it does not look like it is the compleate article. __________________

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MAQI Varcolac cu trei capete Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where the morale of the people is as black as the sea.	For me it'll be ok if Ikkaku gets more fights, his fights are pretty bloody (except this last one). I honestly like him but kubo did him a great wrong by not doing like he did with yumi (hiding the fight from the SS). Either way its all good, but it makes you wonder, if Ikkaku is this strong and he is the third and yumi is also super strong and he is the fifth seat, then I guess Yachiru is like major bad ass little loly!!!!!! I hope kubo gives us a fight with her!!!!!! __________________ Last edited by MAQI; 2008-10-05 at 15:38.

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Zu Ra ✖ ǝʇ ɯıqnɾl ☆ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mortuary : D	IMO Ichi doesnt need Cero KGT does the same damage doesnt it. Also KGT has an advantage it can be shot in quick succession ( matter of seconds) unlike Cero which needs a basic interval __________________

2008-10-05, 18:52	Link #159
kayote Looking for ONE PIECE Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sleeping Forest	s****d Orihime should just go and wipe Uli from existence. just as he is about to deliver the final blow on Ichigo. that would be so bad but, just about acceptable. the Hime can go on a rampage and wipe out everything and he big jugs burst because of the power crazyness and she dies and everyone lives happly ever after. lol.. __________________

2008-10-05, 10:14	Link #141
Captain Roronoa Zoro Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: somewhere.....	just thought id point out there is no way ichigo can beat ulqi and walk away like he did grimmyjow he hasnt gotten any stronger since they last fought or since this rescue inoue arc began the only thing tht has changed is his time limit for the mask so the only way he can win is either he is getting help or they are gunna pull out a goku. If he beats ulquiorra the writers messed up somewhere.

2008-10-05, 11:08	Link #143
Amirali Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Over the rainbow. Age: 38	It wouldn't be unprecedented in Bleach. Many of Ichigo's powerups have manifested suddenly during battle. That includes his surge against Kenpachi and his mask time-limit raise against Grimmjow.

2008-10-05, 11:43	Link #145
Captain Roronoa Zoro Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: somewhere.....	looks like the writers put themselves in a corner if he beats ulquiorra its bull if he beats aizen its mega super ultra bull

2008-10-05, 11:48	Link #146
Casshern Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	^^As far as I'm concerned it will be bull if anyone at all manages to defeat Aizen. I really want him to succeed. Same goes for Gin... whatever it is he's planning. Gin and Aizen are just too cool to let them lose.

2008-10-05, 12:25	Link #149
Amirali Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Over the rainbow. Age: 38	It seems Ikkaku will make more appearances in future. No point Kubo showing Ikkaku get a talking to unless he's going to mature into a responsible fighter. And with Kenpachi's keen discernment of enemy power levels, I'd be shocked if he doesn't know of Ikkaku's bankai already.

2008-10-05, 14:08	Link #153
kk2extreme Your wife is hot... Join Date: May 2008 Location: At your house fixing A/C	ichigo is not even close to being as powerful as his full hollow form during training. Q: How come he hasnt use a single cero yet, shinji used it before and he should be able to use it too?

2008-10-05, 19:37	Link #160
Slayerx Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	On the whole Ichigo Cero thing... isn't his Getsuga essentially a Cero blast? i mean all a Cero blast is a massive blast of concentrated energy... That's basically what Ichigo's attack is except it comes for the his sword instead his mouth or hands and it fires out in a crescent shape... And the shape of a cero can vary like with coolhorn's attack ok ya, maybe you wouldn't call Getsuga a Cero blast, but the principle of the attack is more or less the same... Would Ichigo using Cero actually make any real difference?