2014-01-19, 02:40 | Link #3602 | |
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i out of patient if toei kill athena saori and former pegasus seiya and they reincarnated in next 200 years again over war never ending i hope i not gona see hades again or 3 gods poseidon hades ares join force to kill athena and yet they lose again to pegasus i want them join force lol if other studio than toei make anime like this is gona be fun. |
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2014-01-19, 03:12 | Link #3603 | |
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Join Date: Jul 2011
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2014-01-19, 03:14 | Link #3604 | ||||
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If the anime had succeeded, there's no doubt there would be LC cloth myths. But...the bad anime rendition of the clothes actually killed its chances. Quote:
Seriously, how many Tenmas did you see the last year alone? That's the dime a dozen design for anime protagonist. How can you even compare this to Shin-chan's unique style? This is not simplistic, this is just bland, boring and uninspired. 'How to draw manga" character design may please kids, but for people more experienced with manga and anime, it's just not appealing. You seem to be very impressed by Naruto, so that doesn't surprise me. Quote:
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2014-01-19, 03:43 | Link #3605 | ||
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One example: Shinsekai Yori anime is a failure in almost every commercial way as far as I know (even in artwork), but those who have watched it knows that it has a killer story (See Animesuki nomination awards if you don’t believe me). So, my point is: sometimes, a series with good story and execution is destined to fail. Doesn’t mean that “series” is truly of low quality story-wise. And in LC’s case, I find the animation and battle-execution to be a winner too. YMMV Wow, resorting to name-calling now? No I didn’t. You said “in every regards” (or things like that), meaning the anime’s every element isn’t it? That should also includes the animation (in this case, LC's relatively well-done animation).
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2014-01-19, 04:12 | Link #3606 | |||||
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Anyway, LC didn't make the job very well, as its generic art style did turn me off, and obviously i wasn't the only one. For someone who grew up with Shingo Araki's designs, seeing Saint Seiya done in 'how to draw manga" style can be a massive disappointment. Why do you think Next Dimension, as bad as it is, always sold much better than LC? Quote:
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And there's no rule when it comes to success: you can think LC is underrated, i think it failed deservedly. The problem here is, look at the first post of this thread. LC fans were hating on Omega even before the series started, because somehow they thought LC was cancelled thanks to Omega, what is nonsensical for so many reasons. Then Omega gets a 2nd season, adding insult to the injury. Quote:
Anyway, it's good that you think it's "relatively well-done", i thought you were acting like LC was the pinnacle of animation. Last edited by Goty; 2014-01-19 at 04:23. |
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Pfft, I never considered LC the pinnacle of animation by a longshot. My standard is usually Ghibli-high. But at least I know a well-done animation with lots of moving parts, shadows, good angles and nicely-drawn background when I see it, and LC is such a series. Inferno & Elysion, on the other hand, is an abomination aside from the shiny and well-drawn stills.
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2014-01-19, 06:10 | Link #3608 | |||||||||
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Ok, first replying to Ozuma's post that i missed earlier:
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I remember some people disliked that change, as it implies the four of them are stronger than six Gold Saints combined...but at that point, i think it wasn't so absurd. Quote:
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Would it get the same amount of attention if it had a generic, run-of-the-mill art? I doubt it. The surreal art style of Shin-chan is a huge part of its mood and humor. It simply wouldn't be the same series if Shin-chan looked like "LN protagonist B". Quote:
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The animation was ok, the expected from an ova. Yes, Inferno and Elysios were ovas too, but there were reasons for its low budget, mostly Tenkai-hen bombing. The bottom line is, good and creative directing/writing can make an anime (or an episode) great even if there's no budget for animation. There are many old series that hold strong to this day. In the same vein, something beautifully animated can be all style and zero substance. Those ovas are so divisive because the directing wasn't inspired. They were too worried adapting the manga as faithfully as possible, unlike the Hades Sanctuary arc. Last edited by Goty; 2014-01-19 at 07:02. |
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2014-01-19, 07:14 | Link #3609 | ||||||
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Sometimes, it's good to be a minority or in limited group of understanding people especially involving something that you like :P. Quote:
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Your other points that I didn't quote is pretty much more about personal opinions & taste, so replying to it will go nowhere. So I might as well not doing it.
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2014-01-19, 07:40 | Link #3611 | ||||||
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As i said, the visuals are a fundamental part of them. You can't picture Shin-chan or Kochikame working with average art style, especially having the same success, deep down you know it's just impossible to separate things. Quote:
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Anyway, it's a given that pretty much every fanservicey series have standard visuals (as the average Japanese otaku is comfortable with them), which doesn't exactly help the defense of generic designs either. Quote:
It's different from waiting for something with a predetermined (and bitter) point of view about it. Quote:
You can have great animation done over a lackluster storyboard. Or bad and lazy directing putting a good budget and animation to waste. Those are all different things. Quote:
Which means that, unlike you think, we have to take in mind the whole picture (such as age/media/format) when judging an anime animation. Unless you're one of those uninformed people who think long-running series should have the same budget per episode an one cour show does, for instance. By your amusing 'red wall" logic, it would make sense comparing a Pokemon episode and a Ghibli movie. Or else i'm just 'making excuses"... Last edited by Kotohono; 2014-01-19 at 09:06. Reason: Try to be a bit more civil please |
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Minority is not necessarily alone. Just a minor group of understanding people will do. I don't strive to be "the only one". What do you think I am? Highlander? Quote:
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2014-01-19, 08:55 | Link #3613 | |||||
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Great manga authors, like Akira Toriyama and Eiichiro Oda, have a saying that a memorable character starts with a design that can be recognized by its silhouette alone. But who they think they are? They must be wrong and you're right. Quote:
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2014-01-19, 10:07 | Link #3614 |
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On the note of Omega's power inconsistencies, those plague the Saint Seiya franchise as a whole. Cassios overpower Shun and Shiryu in the original, Pandora overpowering a 7th sense Tenma in LC, Shun being useless in ND.
The best way to explain the inconsistencies in the franchise is by looking at the 12 Houses arc, in both the original and in Omega. Both Mu and Kiki told the Bronze Saints that to win, they only needed to become stronger than their opponents for a brief instant, and that's pretty much how most of the fights in the franchise go when it's a hero fighting a villain that is suppose to be stronger than him. LC showed a lot of Gold Saints fighting off mid-ranked Specters, who neither get swap down like grunt nor put up a challenge like the Judges, Titans, and 1st Rank Pallasites. === Last edited by Daniel E.; 2014-01-20 at 02:43. |
2014-01-19, 10:37 | Link #3616 |
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To get back to Omega...
I thought episode 87 was pretty good, but there's one thing that bothered me a lot. Shiryu, Fudo and Kiki barely even fought against Hyperion before deciding to use the Athena Exclamation. Isn't Saint Seiya all about surpassing your limits to defeat stronger opponents? They didn't even try and resorted to a forbidden cheat code right away. That's completely against the spirit of the series.
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2014-01-19, 10:56 | Link #3617 |
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Surpassing your limit is only when you are still a bronze. When you are a gold saint your aim then becomes dying as quickly and in the most spectacular way you can while saying you leave your thoughts and dreams with the young generation.
Look at Kanon, it didn't seem necessary that he had to go straight to throwing himself against Wyvern in that last battle when he was clearly owning him in the previous battles....
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2014-01-19, 11:11 | Link #3618 | |
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The only thing I don't get is that next ep it seems that Miller is stronger than Gallia. When Ikki appeared to fight Miller, Aegeon was all like: "If there's somebody who can defeat Miller, it would be Ikki". Somehow that implies that Miller isn't stronger than a class-1 pallasite. And if Miller is stronger than a class-1 pallasite, why he will obey what Europa says to him? Does it mean that Europa is even stronger despite being a class-2 pallasite? or Does it mean that Miller has an Achilles' heel?
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2014-01-19, 11:28 | Link #3619 | |
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