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Orrin · 2007-12-24, 00:18

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Originally Posted by tebahpla

if she's related to kuro, then why take a picture of the trio?..

Just something that came to mind when Kuro was the only one who noticed her, so it's simply a guess so far. Just that it's bound to be someone who has some sort of relation to one (or all) of them and Shirai or Hoin isn't really a option.

But it could just as likely be a crossdressing Reiji who's taking some photos of Rin

tebahpla · 2007-12-24, 06:09

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Originally Posted by Orrin

But it could just as likely be a crossdressing Reiji who's taking some photos of Rin

oh, you're good.

Dark Wing · 2007-12-24, 06:17

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Originally Posted by Orrin

Spoiler for Chapter 33:

Spoiler:

tebahpla · 2007-12-24, 13:25

@darkwing, how'd you know about this?

is that a theory or it are a fact(you know because of your learnings)?

ZODDGUTS · 2007-12-24, 14:59

Looks like it was her who took that picture. The white boots seem to match the woman that went to the Rin's house. Also notice that the woman's boots are clearly shown to give us a hint that it's likely the same person.

Lexan · 2007-12-24, 21:21

Hello, I'm new here. Slightly off topic, I read KnJ chaps 1-31, but I can't get a hold of 32 and 33! I would love to engage in your discussions, but can't! Do you guys read it untranslated, or is there translated scans out there?

KaneDragon · 2007-12-25, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Lexan

Hello, I'm new here. Slightly off topic, I read KnJ chaps 1-31, but I can't get a hold of 32 and 33! I would love to engage in your discussions, but can't! Do you guys read it untranslated, or is there translated scans out there?

(PMs to be on the safe side)

Chapter 33 really surprised me.

Spoiler for c33:

A very good chapter.

tebahpla · 2007-12-25, 00:56

@kanedragon I already did that a few hours ago.

if you go down for any sort of TOS violation, so will I.

lol

Vexx · 2007-12-25, 03:27

The manga is unlicensed.... and will most likely not be licensed for the NorthAm market.

So discussion of the scans is not really a problem.

billborden · 2007-12-25, 04:17

[QUOTE=jigenbakuda;1306698]Okay I am new here, I just got thru reading all 30 whatever pages that is on here. My my this is an interesting thread. I love the tone of this thread. Its serious. I have never found such a serious thread on something I like before, bravo ladies and gentleman. I would comment on the old stuff, but its not polite to bring up old stuff, so I won't.

Spoiler for virgin theory:

Okay for my comments, this story is interesting, interesting I say. You have 2 virgins that are getting their personalities augmented by their first love experiences. (daisuke is a confirmed virgin, but I'm not sure if shiro-chan is one. I know that its implied she is one because I remember her getting worked up at the mentioning of virgin, but I'm not sure if she is confirmed). On top of that, both of their love interests are little kids. As much as shiro-chan is uncomfortable, I bet she is relieved the same amount to hear another female give her love. And as much as daisuke is stressed about his interactions with rin-chan, I'm sure he is relived the same amount to have her saying I love you, lets have sex, etc... (if boin-sensei had said the same things to him, imagine how hentai this story would be now... Remember he has never experienced a woman, he would JUMP at the chance to be with one its because of boin-sensei's adult sensiblity that she is losing to rin-chan. Rin has no inhibitions so she is telling daisuke exactly what's on her mind. If she would just touch or say anything to daisuke, she would win hands down) Now with in pages of shiro-chan receiving kuro-chan's love, she has turned much more human. Her bitch mode is being suppressed and she is being kind to others. Now because of rin-chan's advances daiske has already rationalized that his feelings for rin-chan are "fatherly love". So he is okay with holding and touching rin-chan now. Skinship isn't really a problem anymore. It will only be a little while more until he is comfortable kissing her (fathers do it).I feel his main problem is that he has never felt love before, so I believe he is mislabeling his love as "fatherly love". But I think that daisuke will find out how emotionally attached he is to her, if reiji does anything to her. I think at least super saiyan level 2, nothing less will be an accurate container for his rage, lol. I think the next step that daisuke will have to conquer or rationalize is his emotions for rin-chan. Ah, love is the catalyst that turns daisuke and shiro-chan into dynamic characters.

Wasn't that long and random, I really don' think I explained it too well, but if I get flamed I'll try to clarify. But someone commented on how the other random teacher is married with kids, so what. That does not exclude him from cheating. So I will still believe he likes shiro-chan.

So lets list it:
love chart

Unrequited love (love not returned)

kuro-chan (probably over it now) ->rin-chan
boin-sensei -> aoki-sensei
random teacher dude ( this is a possiblity too, no proof) -> shiro-chan
american-chan (usa-chan, lol) -> reiji
rin-chan (technically) -> aoki-sensei
reiji -> rin-chan
aoki-sensei -> the dirty magazines he reads (AV idols hate virgins, lol)
shiro-chan ->her job, but it looks like it might change

reciprocated love (love is returned)

random teacher dude -> his wife

Not really flamed, but you are really putting a lot of yourself into your interpretation, and you're leaving out quite a bit of the text.

Lets start with the easiest one "shiro-chan [loves] her job".
As seen in Ch 25, pages 5-6, she hates enthusiastic teachers and kids. She has no desire to do anything beyond the bare minimum and resents being asked to do more. She's only working until she pays off her apartment loan. She does seem to be growing soft toward Kuro, but that is no where near enough to support the thesis that she enjoys either kids in general or her job.

As for "kuro-chan (probably over it now)[emphasis added] ->rin-chan", I really think that ch 31, pages 12-13 (Mimi and Kuro on the ferris-wheel) clearly refute that.

Next: "random teacher dude [Oyajima-Sensei] ( this is a possiblity too, no proof) -> shiro-chan" At least you listed this as a possibility, not a certainty. His opinion of her is better shown in Ch 9, page 7 "one bad apple". He may see her as an experienced colleague, but nothing more.

As for the story itself, what Watashiya-san has set up is a story where the locus of action, Rin, is separate and distinct from the primary character, Aoki-sensei. That is, Rin drives the story, but the story itself is about Aoki (as opposed to, say, Austin's Emma where Emma is both main character and prime mover). For all of his desire to be a better teacher, he only advances when Rin's actions force him to. Core to this dual-center story is the unbalanced relationship between Rin and Aoki. Clearly, by Ch 32, there is love flowing both ways but in seemingly non-commiserate forms. Rin's overt expressions of sexual/romantic love are clearly not returned; nor, it would seem, is Aoki's fatherly/protector love. At a deeper level, though, it is becoming increasingly clear that the fatherly/protector love is the level that Rin desires, see in particular Ch 14 pages 19-21 followed by Rin's dream on page 25, even if she is not yet able to fully recognize that desire with-in herself.

Of the secondary relationships, the only two that really concern the central plot are Reiji/Rin and Houin/Aoki. Even though it is becoming clear, by Ch 33 if not sooner, that Rin is losing control of her relationship with Reiji--as he slips further into conflating Rin and her mother; she still controls , via obstruction, the Houin/Aoki relationship. It's not that Aoki is unaware of Houin-Sensei's atractivness, nor is uninterested in her as a woman (see Ch 14, page 26 and Ch 19, page 9, respectivly, as examples); he is simply to distracted by Rin, and, to be honest, to much of the standard Seinan manga male lead (see Keiichi and Belldandy from OMG for an over-the-top example) to be able to act on his interest.

The remaining relationships: Kuro/Rin, Mimi/Reiji and Kuro/Shiro are, at best, diversions--often comedic sometimes dramatic--that exist for comedy relief (particularly with Kuro/Rin) or as a means to expose aspects of the character's personality without long internal introspection/exposition.

Considering the speed at which Watashiya-san has been pushing the plot, I would think that the end is very near, although there are a few side-plot loose ends that still need wrapping up. The resolution of the Rin/Aoki relationship will naturally resolve the Reiji/Rin relationship and, most probably, the Houin/Aoki and the Kuro/Rin relationships as well. It also seems likely that the fall-out from these will resolve/eliminate the Mimi/Reiji relationship. The Kuro/Shiro relationship may, in fact, have run its course, although there is no clear evidence it that.

The only truly important loose end that is still hanging is Mimi's total lack of self confidence. This is the only dangling thread for which I still do not see a clear resolution. I do see a few negative resolutions (sexual assault, suicide) that would be upsetting, but right in line with the dark aspect of the manga that has been there from the start. I would hate to see Mimi hurt, but I see how it could move the story toward resolution. The only possible way that I could see myself being disappointed is if, rather than spending some time on a solution, Watashiya-san drops in some sort of Deus ex Machina and it's "all better".

Sorry for the length, but I've been following this for a long time, and I thought it was time to add my two cents. Thank you for listening.

Kona-Kona · 2007-12-25, 15:35

Really, I hate Reiji for beign such a pedo! I would like to enter in the manga and beat the crap out of him.
-and revive Aki so she can kill him for doing those things to Rin!-

tebahpla · 2007-12-25, 15:52

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Originally Posted by Kona-Kona

Really, I hate Reiji for beign such a pedo! I would like to enter in the manga and beat the crap out of him.
-and revive Aki so she can kill him for doing those things to Rin!-

oh you make me lol. and agree to you at the same time

Ashlotte · 2007-12-25, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Vexx

The manga is unlicensed.... and will most likely not be licensed for the NorthAm market.

So discussion of the scans is not really a problem.

Eh maybe, but ive gotten in trouble before around here for doing what I thought where harmless things so I went the PM route aswell.

As for the chapter...Heh looks like the fire has finally been lit under aoki. I'm just hoping for a kuro chapter before those two wind up throwing down you know...

sumowow · 2007-12-25, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Kimichi

Eh maybe, but ive gotten in trouble before around here for doing what I thought where harmless things so I went the PM route aswell.

As for the chapter...Heh looks like the fire has finally been lit under aoki. I'm just hoping for a kuro chapter before those two wind up throwing down you know...

Haha so your expecting a kuro chapter as well? What a coincidence

2H-Dragon · 2007-12-26, 06:12

Aoki +1 for noticing the problems rin has. Now how can he fix it? It's pretty hard when you think about it. Since you will also hurt the child in question in the process most of the time. :|

sumowow · 2007-12-26, 10:27

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Originally Posted by 2H-Dragon

Aoki +1 for noticing the problems rin has. Now how can he fix it? It's pretty hard when you think about it. Since you will also hurt the child in question in the process most of the time. :|

Yea, from now on i wonder what course of action he's gonna take. Also i was expecting a kuro chapter but i dont think its gonna happen with whats going to happen in the next chapter.

Lexan · 2007-12-26, 15:44

Thank you for helping me, people!
I can understand the Reiji-haters out there, but I can sorta sympathize with him. For those of you that think of Reiji as a pedo, I highly doubt it. His love for Aki-san was so great, yet there were so many things he couldn't do for her (like the wedding ring). So, he is showing love for Aki to the next best thing-- Rin. It's not like Reiji loves Rin just b/c she is a child!
PS: Hey, why does kissing cause "marks" on Rin's neck? I don't understand the phenomenon! And yes, I've never kissed, so I wouldn't know! *boo hoo* T_T

veryinky · 2007-12-26, 17:01

"kiss marks" are also called "hickey"s, they're when you suck on the skin hard enough to break the blood vessels and cause a bruise.

As a side note, the boots of mystery woman stalker do not match the office worker's shoes nor skirt. Neither her office uniform or day clothes. So I don't thinks he's the one following the 3 girls around.

tebahpla · 2007-12-26, 17:22

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Originally Posted by veryinky

"kiss marks" are also called "hickey"s, they're when you suck on the skin hard enough to break the blood vessels and cause a bruise.

As a side note, the boots of mystery woman stalker do not match the office worker's shoes nor skirt. Neither her office uniform or day clothes. So I don't thinks he's the one following the 3 girls around.

yes, i wanted to point out that the shoe person wasnt reijis co-worker. didnt match at all

shinobiknight0 · 2007-12-26, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Lexan

Thank you for helping me, people!
I can understand the Reiji-haters out there, but I can sorta sympathize with him. For those of you that think of Reiji as a pedo, I highly doubt it. His love for Aki-san was so great, yet there were so many things he couldn't do for her (like the wedding ring). So, he is showing love for Aki to the next best thing-- Rin. It's not like Reiji loves Rin just b/c she is a child!
PS: Hey, why does kissing cause "marks" on Rin's neck? I don't understand the phenomenon! And yes, I've never kissed, so I wouldn't know! *boo hoo* T_T

Still, it's like he's using her to replace Aki-san. He doesn't really seem to be a pedo, though. More like he's impatient of waiting for Rin to grow up.

Try sucking on your arm for like 10 seconds, it leaves a mark that looks like a bruise.

Spoiler for Kodomo No Jikan:

2007-12-25, 03:27	Link #669
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	The manga is unlicensed.... and will most likely not be licensed for the NorthAm market. So discussion of the scans is not really a problem. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2007-12-24, 13:25	Link #664
tebahpla Not B& Join Date: Nov 2007	@darkwing, how'd you know about this? is that a theory or it are a fact(you know because of your learnings)?

2007-12-24, 14:59	Link #665
ZODDGUTS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005	Looks like it was her who took that picture. The white boots seem to match the woman that went to the Rin's house. Also notice that the woman's boots are clearly shown to give us a hint that it's likely the same person.

2007-12-24, 21:21	Link #666
Lexan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sioux Falls, SD	Hello, I'm new here. Slightly off topic, I read KnJ chaps 1-31, but I can't get a hold of 32 and 33! I would love to engage in your discussions, but can't! Do you guys read it untranslated, or is there translated scans out there?

2007-12-25, 00:56	Link #668
tebahpla Not B& Join Date: Nov 2007	@kanedragon I already did that a few hours ago. if you go down for any sort of TOS violation, so will I. lol

2007-12-25, 04:17	Link #670
billborden Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Age: 57	[QUOTE=jigenbakuda;1306698]Okay I am new here, I just got thru reading all 30 whatever pages that is on here. My my this is an interesting thread. I love the tone of this thread. Its serious. I have never found such a serious thread on something I like before, bravo ladies and gentleman. I would comment on the old stuff, but its not polite to bring up old stuff, so I won't. Spoiler for virgin theory: Okay for my comments, this story is interesting, interesting I say. You have 2 virgins that are getting their personalities augmented by their first love experiences. (daisuke is a confirmed virgin, but I'm not sure if shiro-chan is one. I know that its implied she is one because I remember her getting worked up at the mentioning of virgin, but I'm not sure if she is confirmed). On top of that, both of their love interests are little kids. As much as shiro-chan is uncomfortable, I bet she is relieved the same amount to hear another female give her love. And as much as daisuke is stressed about his interactions with rin-chan, I'm sure he is relived the same amount to have her saying I love you, lets have sex, etc... (if boin-sensei had said the same things to him, imagine how hentai this story would be now... Remember he has never experienced a woman, he would JUMP at the chance to be with one its because of boin-sensei's adult sensiblity that she is losing to rin-chan. Rin has no inhibitions so she is telling daisuke exactly what's on her mind. If she would just touch or say anything to daisuke, she would win hands down) Now with in pages of shiro-chan receiving kuro-chan's love, she has turned much more human. Her bitch mode is being suppressed and she is being kind to others. Now because of rin-chan's advances daiske has already rationalized that his feelings for rin-chan are "fatherly love". So he is okay with holding and touching rin-chan now. Skinship isn't really a problem anymore. It will only be a little while more until he is comfortable kissing her (fathers do it).I feel his main problem is that he has never felt love before, so I believe he is mislabeling his love as "fatherly love". But I think that daisuke will find out how emotionally attached he is to her, if reiji does anything to her. I think at least super saiyan level 2, nothing less will be an accurate container for his rage, lol. I think the next step that daisuke will have to conquer or rationalize is his emotions for rin-chan. Ah, love is the catalyst that turns daisuke and shiro-chan into dynamic characters. Wasn't that long and random, I really don' think I explained it too well, but if I get flamed I'll try to clarify. But someone commented on how the other random teacher is married with kids, so what. That does not exclude him from cheating. So I will still believe he likes shiro-chan. So lets list it: love chart Unrequited love (love not returned) kuro-chan (probably over it now) ->rin-chan boin-sensei -> aoki-sensei random teacher dude ( this is a possiblity too, no proof) -> shiro-chan american-chan (usa-chan, lol) -> reiji rin-chan (technically) -> aoki-sensei reiji -> rin-chan aoki-sensei -> the dirty magazines he reads (AV idols hate virgins, lol) shiro-chan ->her job, but it looks like it might change reciprocated love (love is returned) random teacher dude -> his wife Not really flamed, but you are really putting a lot of yourself into your interpretation, and you're leaving out quite a bit of the text. Lets start with the easiest one "shiro-chan [loves] her job". As seen in Ch 25, pages 5-6, she hates enthusiastic teachers and kids. She has no desire to do anything beyond the bare minimum and resents being asked to do more. She's only working until she pays off her apartment loan. She does seem to be growing soft toward Kuro, but that is no where near enough to support the thesis that she enjoys either kids in general or her job. As for "kuro-chan (probably over it now)[emphasis added] ->rin-chan", I really think that ch 31, pages 12-13 (Mimi and Kuro on the ferris-wheel) clearly refute that. Next: "random teacher dude [Oyajima-Sensei] ( this is a possiblity too, no proof) -> shiro-chan" At least you listed this as a possibility, not a certainty. His opinion of her is better shown in Ch 9, page 7 "one bad apple". He may see her as an experienced colleague, but nothing more. As for the story itself, what Watashiya-san has set up is a story where the locus of action, Rin, is separate and distinct from the primary character, Aoki-sensei. That is, Rin drives the story, but the story itself is about Aoki (as opposed to, say, Austin's Emma where Emma is both main character and prime mover). For all of his desire to be a better teacher, he only advances when Rin's actions force him to. Core to this dual-center story is the unbalanced relationship between Rin and Aoki. Clearly, by Ch 32, there is love flowing both ways but in seemingly non-commiserate forms. Rin's overt expressions of sexual/romantic love are clearly not returned; nor, it would seem, is Aoki's fatherly/protector love. At a deeper level, though, it is becoming increasingly clear that the fatherly/protector love is the level that Rin desires, see in particular Ch 14 pages 19-21 followed by Rin's dream on page 25, even if she is not yet able to fully recognize that desire with-in herself. Of the secondary relationships, the only two that really concern the central plot are Reiji/Rin and Houin/Aoki. Even though it is becoming clear, by Ch 33 if not sooner, that Rin is losing control of her relationship with Reiji--as he slips further into conflating Rin and her mother; she still controls , via obstruction, the Houin/Aoki relationship. It's not that Aoki is unaware of Houin-Sensei's atractivness, nor is uninterested in her as a woman (see Ch 14, page 26 and Ch 19, page 9, respectivly, as examples); he is simply to distracted by Rin, and, to be honest, to much of the standard Seinan manga male lead (see Keiichi and Belldandy from OMG for an over-the-top example) to be able to act on his interest. The remaining relationships: Kuro/Rin, Mimi/Reiji and Kuro/Shiro are, at best, diversions--often comedic sometimes dramatic--that exist for comedy relief (particularly with Kuro/Rin) or as a means to expose aspects of the character's personality without long internal introspection/exposition. Considering the speed at which Watashiya-san has been pushing the plot, I would think that the end is very near, although there are a few side-plot loose ends that still need wrapping up. The resolution of the Rin/Aoki relationship will naturally resolve the Reiji/Rin relationship and, most probably, the Houin/Aoki and the Kuro/Rin relationships as well. It also seems likely that the fall-out from these will resolve/eliminate the Mimi/Reiji relationship. The Kuro/Shiro relationship may, in fact, have run its course, although there is no clear evidence it that. The only truly important loose end that is still hanging is Mimi's total lack of self confidence. This is the only dangling thread for which I still do not see a clear resolution. I do see a few negative resolutions (sexual assault, suicide) that would be upsetting, but right in line with the dark aspect of the manga that has been there from the start. I would hate to see Mimi hurt, but I see how it could move the story toward resolution. The only possible way that I could see myself being disappointed is if, rather than spending some time on a solution, Watashiya-san drops in some sort of Deus ex Machina and it's "all better". Sorry for the length, but I've been following this for a long time, and I thought it was time to add my two cents. Thank you for listening.

2007-12-25, 15:35	Link #671
Kona-Kona Densetsu shoujo "A" Join Date: Oct 2007	Really, I hate Reiji for beign such a pedo! I would like to enter in the manga and beat the crap out of him. -and revive Aki so she can kill him for doing those things to Rin!-

2007-12-26, 06:12	Link #675
2H-Dragon Silent Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Netherlands Age: 38	Aoki +1 for noticing the problems rin has. Now how can he fix it? It's pretty hard when you think about it. Since you will also hurt the child in question in the process most of the time. :\|

2007-12-26, 15:44	Link #677
Lexan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sioux Falls, SD	Thank you for helping me, people! I can understand the Reiji-haters out there, but I can sorta sympathize with him. For those of you that think of Reiji as a pedo, I highly doubt it. His love for Aki-san was so great, yet there were so many things he couldn't do for her (like the wedding ring). So, he is showing love for Aki to the next best thing-- Rin. It's not like Reiji loves Rin just b/c she is a child! PS: Hey, why does kissing cause "marks" on Rin's neck? I don't understand the phenomenon! And yes, I've never kissed, so I wouldn't know! boo hoo T_T

2007-12-26, 17:01	Link #678
veryinky Member Join Date: Jan 2007	"kiss marks" are also called "hickey"s, they're when you suck on the skin hard enough to break the blood vessels and cause a bruise. As a side note, the boots of mystery woman stalker do not match the office worker's shoes nor skirt. Neither her office uniform or day clothes. So I don't thinks he's the one following the 3 girls around.