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Sansker · 2013-06-24, 18:33

Not that is a relevant presence. But even in the odds that the Lady is a fairy or something, I still bet for the god.

I think the Lady of the Lake is human and it has something to with Merlin. Then again I give up trying to understand concepts from Type-Moon wiki when it comes down to the nature of something or how their powers work.

bhl88 · 2013-07-02, 01:16

What is the invocation for making an unclaimed (dead Master or Rule Breaker) Servant yours?

Cherry_Lover · 2013-07-02, 09:20

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Originally Posted by bhl88

What is the invocation for making an unclaimed (dead Master or Rule Breaker) Servant yours?

The same as the standard contract-producing invocation used when a servant is initially summoned, I think.

It's shown in UBW when Rin contracts with Saber.

Sansker · 2013-07-02, 10:59

The Rule Breaker doesn't need incantation. I think it just pinch you and is game over, Caster becomes the Master.

GDB · 2013-07-02, 11:11

No, she still needs to use the spell. But remember, she's Caster. She has High Speed Divine Words, so she wouldn't need to use the same drawn out incantation, at least to a Master's perspective.

All Rule Breaker does is break the contract/connection, nothing else.

bhl88 · 2013-07-02, 12:25

I meant making a Servant yours.

Is it the one in Episode 1 in Fate/zero?

chaos_alfa · 2013-07-02, 15:33

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Originally Posted by bhl88

I meant making a Servant yours.

Is it the one in Episode 1 in Fate/zero?

It is that one indeed.

Cherry_Lover · 2013-07-02, 21:08

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Originally Posted by GDB

No, she still needs to use the spell. But remember, she's Caster. She has High Speed Divine Words, so she wouldn't need to use the same drawn out incantation, at least to a Master's perspective.

Well, this can't be entirely true, since a normal contract requires the consent of the servant as well as of the master, and I very much doubt Saber gave her consent....

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All Rule Breaker does is break the contract/connection, nothing else.

Yeah, Rule Breaker doesn't explicitly deal with contracts, it just breaks magic. So, it shouldn't be able to force a contract on a servant. How exactly Caster does do that, though, I'm not sure.

bhl88 · 2013-07-02, 21:19

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Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

Well, this can't be entirely true, since a normal contract requires the consent of the servant as well as of the master, and I very much doubt Saber gave her consent....

Yeah, Rule Breaker doesn't explicitly deal with contracts, it just breaks magic. So, it shouldn't be able to force a contract on a servant. How exactly Caster does do that, though, I'm not sure.

Rule Breaker forcibly breaks contracts. She's the Witch of Treachery after all.

Sansker · 2013-07-03, 10:16

Well that is odd because Caster should not be able to become the Master by force of the Servants she stole then. And you can't just not say anything and still do the ritual, words are important on magic or magecrafth or whatever they call that thing they use that is magic but it isn't.

Cherry_Lover · 2013-07-03, 17:44

Yeah, I've never been sure how exactly it works. The description of Rule Breaker certainly doesn't make it sound like it should be able to steal contracts (as opposed to merely breaking them), and when Shirou uses it on Sakura in HF he doesn't become the master of Avenger, but yet Caster clearly does it somehow.

Sansker · 2013-07-04, 00:04

Well I say maybe the Rule Breaker allow her not just to "break" the spells but to rewritte them. That way the already existing spell pass to her instead of breaking it. And Shirou being a half ass mage in any case just use it the thing without thinking.

Nerroth · 2014-01-28, 16:23

Fate/hollow ataraxia is heading to the PS Vita in Japan, with a full voice cast. (I'm not sure if F/HA should have its own thread or not.)

chaos_alfa · 2014-01-28, 16:31

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Fate/hollow ataraxia is heading to the PS Vita in Japan, with a full voice cast. (I'm not sure if F/HA should have its own thread or not.)

To bad it is for the PS Vita. It will probably will take a few years before it becomes possible for us western fans to play a translated Fate/hollow ataraxia version with voice acting

GDB · 2014-01-28, 16:57

Well, I assume however long it'd take for the HA game as it is to finish being translated, and then maybe another month or two at most for the voices to be applied. And that's only on the assumption that the game releases at the same time as the patch. Odds are, the voices will be ripped and applicable to the patch before the patch is even done, just like Realta Nua was.

chaos_alfa · 2014-01-28, 17:07

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Well, I assume however long it'd take for the HA game as it is to finish being translated, and then maybe another month or two at most for the voices to be applied. And that's only on the assumption that the game releases at the same time as the patch. Odds are, the voices will be ripped and applicable to the patch before the patch is even done, just like Realta Nua was.

That would be good news if that is going to be the schedule.

I though because translating F/HA is taking a long time and because their isn't yet a PS Vita emulator, possible implying that the Vita and its games are difficult to hack, it was going to also take a long time before a voice patch would be made.

GDB · 2014-01-28, 19:14

Ah, hadn't realized Vita hadn't been hacked yet. So I guess it depends on if it's not hackable because they can't get the firmware to work, or if it's the firmware plus not being able to access individual files.

DragoZERO · 2014-02-01, 16:42

I wouldn't even expect a voice patch for it. We'll be lucky if the normal translation is ever finished. I know they are close with the text translation but then there is the programming and all that. I hope they finish soon.

MrTerrorist · 2014-05-10, 23:25

Fate/hollow ataraxia Slated for Vita on November 27

OminousFlare · 2014-06-01, 13:00

EXCALIBUR!!!

Somehow, I doubt that that moment of sheer awesomeness could be portrayed as beautifully as it was in the VN. I mean, holy s***, Fate route's epic scale just went up over 9000. I knew beforehand what her Noble Phantasm was, but I was like, "Say it... say it... SAY IT!!!"

Okay, maybe I'm somewhat exaggerating, but damn, that was easily my best experience of the game so far. I'm playing it for the first time and I'm still reading up the Fate route, you see. So many things during that Saber/Rider confrontation went right - the build-up, the pacing, the tension, the action, and of course, the amazing artwork! Did I mention the build-up? It was like a volcanic miasma building up to this climatic explosion. I've been waiting for Saber to reveal her identity for a long time (despite long knowing who she is), and boy, did it pay off.

Looking forward to the rest of the game. :3

2013-06-24, 18:33	Link #4321
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Not that is a relevant presence. But even in the odds that the Lady is a fairy or something, I still bet for the god. I think the Lady of the Lake is human and it has something to with Merlin. Then again I give up trying to understand concepts from Type-Moon wiki when it comes down to the nature of something or how their powers work. __________________

2013-07-02, 01:16	Link #4322
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	What is the invocation for making an unclaimed (dead Master or Rule Breaker) Servant yours? __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2013-07-02, 10:59	Link #4324
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	The Rule Breaker doesn't need incantation. I think it just pinch you and is game over, Caster becomes the Master. __________________

2013-07-02, 12:25	Link #4326
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	I meant making a Servant yours. Is it the one in Episode 1 in Fate/zero? __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2013-07-03, 10:16	Link #4330
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Well that is odd because Caster should not be able to become the Master by force of the Servants she stole then. And you can't just not say anything and still do the ritual, words are important on magic or magecrafth or whatever they call that thing they use that is magic but it isn't. __________________

2013-07-02, 11:11	Link #4325
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	No, she still needs to use the spell. But remember, she's Caster. She has High Speed Divine Words, so she wouldn't need to use the same drawn out incantation, at least to a Master's perspective. All Rule Breaker does is break the contract/connection, nothing else.

2013-07-03, 17:44	Link #4331
Cherry_Lover Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 39	Yeah, I've never been sure how exactly it works. The description of Rule Breaker certainly doesn't make it sound like it should be able to steal contracts (as opposed to merely breaking them), and when Shirou uses it on Sakura in HF he doesn't become the master of Avenger, but yet Caster clearly does it somehow.

2013-07-04, 00:04	Link #4332
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Well I say maybe the Rule Breaker allow her not just to "break" the spells but to rewritte them. That way the already existing spell pass to her instead of breaking it. And Shirou being a half ass mage in any case just use it the thing without thinking. __________________

2014-01-28, 16:23	Link #4333
Nerroth NePoi! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43	Fate/hollow ataraxia is heading to the PS Vita in Japan, with a full voice cast. (I'm not sure if F/HA should have its own thread or not.) __________________

2014-01-28, 16:57	Link #4335
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Well, I assume however long it'd take for the HA game as it is to finish being translated, and then maybe another month or two at most for the voices to be applied. And that's only on the assumption that the game releases at the same time as the patch. Odds are, the voices will be ripped and applicable to the patch before the patch is even done, just like Realta Nua was.

2014-01-28, 19:14	Link #4337
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Ah, hadn't realized Vita hadn't been hacked yet. So I guess it depends on if it's not hackable because they can't get the firmware to work, or if it's the firmware plus not being able to access individual files.

2014-02-01, 16:42	Link #4338
DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 37	I wouldn't even expect a voice patch for it. We'll be lucky if the normal translation is ever finished. I know they are close with the text translation but then there is the programming and all that. I hope they finish soon. __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •

2014-05-10, 23:25	Link #4339
MrTerrorist Takao Tsundere Cruiser Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Classified	Fate/hollow ataraxia Slated for Vita on November 27 __________________

2014-06-01, 13:00	Link #4340
OminousFlare Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010	EXCALIBUR!!! Somehow, I doubt that that moment of sheer awesomeness could be portrayed as beautifully as it was in the VN. I mean, holy s***, Fate route's epic scale just went up over 9000. I knew beforehand what her Noble Phantasm was, but I was like, "Say it... say it... SAY IT!!!" Okay, maybe I'm somewhat exaggerating, but damn, that was easily my best experience of the game so far. I'm playing it for the first time and I'm still reading up the Fate route, you see. So many things during that Saber/Rider confrontation went right - the build-up, the pacing, the tension, the action, and of course, the amazing artwork! Did I mention the build-up? It was like a volcanic miasma building up to this climatic explosion. I've been waiting for Saber to reveal her identity for a long time (despite long knowing who she is), and boy, did it pay off. Looking forward to the rest of the game. :3 __________________