2013-01-04, 19:48 | Link #84 | |
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This is just like the cat burial example Araragi discussed: while everyone would think "I should bury this cat", most people would still hesistate to actually do it. This is the same thing. Not many people are willing to pry that far into someone or something they barely know about. But for the sake of argument, let's assume that they ask further anyway. Then Hanekawa proceeds to tell them about how her real parents died with one of them committing suicide, and how her current parents don't accept her as their child. What are high school children supposed to tell Hanekawa in return? "Don't worry, it'll get better?" That's a baseless lie. Tell her they'll report her parents for child abuse? Once again, few people would actually go that far for people they aren't that close to, and even if they did, it's not a strong case. She was hit once, in a society and culture where capital punishment to discipline children is acceptable, and there is no other evidence that her parents have had a history of physically beating her more than that one time. Then, supposing that her parents do get convicted for child abuse for whatever imaginary evidence you think would magically work, what will happen to Hanekawa? She will get sent to another household she barely has any attachment to, and with Hanekawa's personality already being established, she can't force herself to act any more friendly to her new house either. Nothing gets solved. Hanekawa's issue with her parents is clearly something beyond the scope of what a high school outsider like her classmates can handle or talk about. Even Araragi, who is her friend, outright stated that her household is doomed. There is simply no way classmates who are casual acquantences can continue holding a conversation with her when she drops a depressing bombshell like that. |
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2013-01-04, 19:54 | Link #85 | |
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Well, i think the reason people are trying to avoid Hanekawa is because her reaction to this abuse. I would think she is strange too for her answer like "It is natural they hit me"... |
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2013-01-05, 03:19 | Link #86 | |
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2013-01-05, 08:09 | Link #87 | |
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It wasn't simply because she wanted the issue dropped - it was because she really felt like defending her parents was what she was supposed to do, just like she felt that she should bury that cat even if she couldn't care less about it. |
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2013-01-05, 09:05 | Link #89 |
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That was something out of her "consideration" for others: she told her father he shouldn't hit girls, but she said nothing about how he shouldn't hit his own daughter.
She's obviously bothered by it, or Black Hanekawa wouldn't have made him one of her first targets. However, at the same time, she forces herself not to be bothered by it to the point where her self restraint is second nature. Then, it's so easy to keep herself from being bothered by it that it doesn't seem like she is forcing herself at all anymore. It's like lying so much to the point where you can't stop, and you start acting like you believe those lies yourself. |
2013-01-05, 09:49 | Link #91 |
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Of course, but in this case she is still using reason to justify an unethical action and defend the person who did it. That's the stockholm syndrome. However, like any kind of feelings, there are varying degrees or intensities to them, so you don't necessarily need to feel something as strong as actual "compassion" to do it. The desire to rationalize the abuse to others can just be as vague as a coping/defense mechanism close to denial, but kind of not.
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2013-01-05, 10:58 | Link #92 | |
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If anything, it seems a problem of some dv victims is that they fall prey to a superiority complex in being a victim. When the other person is a brute, you place him beneath you and feel morally dignified. This is probably closer to what happened with Hanekawa. |
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2013-01-08, 07:39 | Link #93 | |
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Hitagi was honest. Tsubasa was not. Araragi went witht he honest girl instinctively. Hitagi tried to get help abd be helped... and accepted help. Tsubasa did not. Tsubasa lost her romantic chance with Koromi simply because she wasn't honest with herself. Nor did she try to help herself. |
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2013-07-05, 21:30 | Link #94 |
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Just rewatched NekoKuro, and I'd like some help with understanding the Araragi x Hanekawa relationship. Basically... Hanekawa scared away Araragi's romantic feelings for her; instead, they transformed from love to reverence, once he got to know her true personality. Is this correct? It's just all really complicated.
Also, I disagree with Oshino when he said it was "disgusting" (or another similar word...I forget) of her to tell her present dad, "You shouldn't hit girls." Personally, I just see it as her having a sassy moment. I mean, it's natural to want to defend yourself, right? Or am I missing something here? Oshino's judgement just kind of bothers me. And why did Araragi freak out when he found absolutely no trace of Hanekawa in her household? I mean, yeah, it's weird, but if it were me, I would just feel upset for my friend, maybe? Pity, maybe? I didn't understand why he reacted as terrified as he did. Also... It broke my heart when Hanekawa told herself that she should just die. But it was also sort of random, too. I'm guessing this feeling was suppressed under her Honor Student persona? |
2013-07-06, 20:14 | Link #96 |
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Well speak of the devil. I actually finished reading it today! I think I understand it better. I see Tsubasa really differently now, kind of impressed by how smart she is. I think I understand now why she's such a worrisome character... The Meddlesome Cat really does suit her.
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2013-07-07, 02:20 | Link #97 | |
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2013-07-07, 02:52 | Link #98 |
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Her life would have been far worse if she behaved less intelligently. Plus it's not that she does not want to make her life easier, rather that along with her intelligence and overwhelming personality, she is bounds herself into obeying social rules, hoping to integrate into society. In addition, like most kids from broken families that do not resort in violence for externalizing their fear of abandonment, she strives to be nice and helpful (more than needed/wanted).
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2013-07-26, 18:15 | Link #100 | |
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