2007-12-03, 15:41 | Link #61 | |
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2) clear up: naruto was not able to use kyubi chakra cuz he didnt want it and sasuke surpassed it. 3) from the manga chapter 306 page 04 and 05 .sai said it himself. i didnt said he killed them but beat them. |
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2007-12-03, 16:17 | Link #63 | |
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1) Nice. I won't bother getting into what level ninja they were, but yes it does show an amazing talent at such a young age, that which even surpassed Orochimaru when he was Sasuke's age. 2) We agree on the first part of this. But is there a difference in surpassed it & supressed it? Just trying to clear this up before it gets more confusing? 3) Ok. Not sure what exactly happened there. Sai entered his Sasuke's room they exchanged a few words, all of a sudden the room blew up, and then Sai said that. 4) That last comment was for EroSenn1n. Not for you. Unless you were also telling him that you said "Sasuke beat ninjas not killed them" Anyways while I definetly command you on a good job getting those pages out. There are still 2 things to keep in mind, and I'm putting this to rest one way or another. 1) Sasuke is talented no doubt about that. However so are the other main characters. 2) The most important part. The theories. It started with someone saying well Sasuke didn't want to kill his team, it was just an act. Myself and a few others said BS we have evidance to prove it otherwise. The saving grace that has carried this convo to this point is you saying that Sasuke could of killed them all if he wanted too so he isn't evil, bla bal bla. And now this is where the rest of the Sasuke theories fail: The idea that Sasuke could of killed his old team mates & the rest of team Kakashi if he wanted to is only opinion as there is no absolute proof on that matter. He may infact be stronger then any one of them 1 on 1 at that point at time. Though I don't think he is better then Yamato but even if he was. Orochimaru & his puppet didn't seem to want to get involved into the fight. There is really no evidance at all that prove that Sasuke could of ended up killing them all. Hence with out proof all you have is speculations and opinion. However there is proof that Sasuke in fact did assault them all, and with a deadly weapon, stating he was going to kill them. And with that said, I am done on this topic. You guys can feel free to hold your own opinion, but the fact of that matter is, it still doesn't match the actions of what actually happened, and there for will only continue to be an opinion of yours. Quote:
Eh I did say I was going to respond to this, so I'll make it short. I didn't say that Sasuke was a serial killer, a murderer or what have you. I said he wasn't above killing those that stand in his way, if he deems them a big enough threat. Naruto & Team Kakashi who have been pursing him for over 2 and a half years would qualify as that type of threat. Hence this is why I said he was not above killing his old team mates, and assualted them with a freaken sword, claiming he was going to kill them. Quote:
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2007-12-03, 17:03 | Link #65 | |
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Just one more interesting thing i forgot previously (and i think this also adds to my opinion): when Sasuke goes against Sakura Yamato was behind Sakura, after a moment we see he is between them. I think there's no way Yamato can be faster than Sasuke, so if Sasuke really wanted to kill Sakura Yamato would not have the time to arrive there. |
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2) it was my mistake of spelling, he didnr surpassed it but supressed it. : 3)they clashed their jutsus and sai was on the ground and sasuke was on top looking at him.and sai admitted sasuke overpowered his jutsu which means he lost this clash of jutsus... i cant say who would win on a deathmatch between them but most probablu sasuke would be able to easily kill them at that moment according to circumstances (naruto weakend yamato pierced sai kissing ground and sakura doing dumb things) with that speed of him he doesnt need his sharingan to take out sakura and naruto... main point is sasuke did seem trying to kill them but his intentions are unclear and my impression from his attitude in manga he tried to spare them unless they get in way... smiling at naruto bridge lying to orochimaru all the way not killing them instantly when they met in oros lair and so...its sooooooooo much opinion based so lets leave it |
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2007-12-03, 17:19 | Link #67 | |
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Edit: but I guess I should thank you for proving the bias in these arguments. Last edited by Naotaka; 2007-12-03 at 17:29. |
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2007-12-03, 18:13 | Link #68 | |
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- Kakashi couldn't see Itachi's attack, so he was defending all the time - Sasuke was fast as Lee with open gates against Gaara - they have the sharingan to see other's motion in advance, that's just too much of advantage even if they have the same speed - Sasuke demonstrated his inhuman speed both against team-Yamato (they couldn't see his motions when he hugged Naruto) and against Deidara+Tobi And of course Yamato didn't show super-speed, i suppose he has the speed of of a good jounin, but nothing special. As we saw he can use his wood jutsu to compensate the speed (for example he saved Sakura with one when she was falling from the bridge) but in that situation he didn't make a wood barrier but somehow managed to get between them. Yamato is the wood guy and Sasuke the speed guy, so simple. Do you think that a side character like Yamato can be on Sasuke's level when Sasuke has grown so much that he challanges Itachi and kills Orochimaru and Deidara. Sasuke killed people who killed the 3rd hokage and the 3rd and 4th kazekage and is fast enough to defeat 1000 ninja without a scratch. Defeating 1000 ninja and not even being scratched means that he either has the ultimate defense like Gaara or he is very very fast. In fact we are discussing it by estimating Sasuke's power. I think he is now as fast as Itachi and with CS2 has the power advantage in taijutsu. In genjutsu there is Itachi's MS and even without MS he already defeated both Deidara and Oro by simply looking at them. I think that's a clear advantage for Itachi in gejutsu. In ninjutsu Itachi had more time to learn as he is older and traveled the world, but Sasuke has learned from a sannin, so maybe a draw in this field. In the end MS is a clear difference, in the flashbacks MS is the reason why Itachi kills his best friend, so it must have a very important role in the story. Itachi could prevent a big fight by using MS again, and forcing Sasuke to become like him and kill Naruto, Naruto is already heading their way so Itachi may mind-rape Sasuke to force him to kill Naruto and gain MS. I don't know if anyone mentioned this possibility: Madara copying Pein's rinnegan ability. Supposing Madara has the ultimate MS or whatever he maybe already posessed Itachi and Madara has now 2 known bodies, one is Itachi's body and the other Tobi. Which means that when Madara killed the Uchiha clan he already posessed Itachi. Also that Tobi is not Madara, just like Pein is not Nagato or Yahiko, but he is the sum of those souls. And now Madara would also want to posess Sasuke too. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2007-12-03 at 18:29. |
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2007-12-03, 18:21 | Link #69 |
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by the way kakashi could see itachis attacks but doesnt have the speed to counter it so he used a water based defence jutsu...he could see them but cant counter that fast...thats because he used a water barrier and didnt give a thing about shurikens in his hand but it comes to same thing i guess...
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After the little scuffle with sasuke Yamato said something like "Because of you (naruto) and sakura being here, i wont resort to my cruder methods, but its time to get serious"
and i guess thats an inkling that yamato was playing around and had he been serious from the start who knows what might of happened. back to the chapter in hand, ive just revisited some of the previous chapters and after seeing the kyuubi kanji behind itachi and the possible links between the uchiha's and the kyuubi. it made me think for once about that statement that the kyuubi made to sasuke "if you were to kill naruto, you will regret it" that might be referrng to the link between them rather than some possible retaliation anyways just fort id add my pointless thought's |
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I think the Deidra fight they were about even. except ultimately Sasuke managed to out-smart Deidra. Not to mention that Yamato technically matched (or was at least near) Sasuke's speed when he went to attack Sakura which caused the Kunei to break and he get stabbed, which he eventually managed to counter, because of his ability. The thing is Sasuke mentioned that he wasn't ready to take on Itachi alone. Which suggests that the confrontation between Sasuke and Itachi is probably meant to gain more information. |
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and Obviously sasuke is ready for itachi now...he left Hebi behind without hesitation and alreayd trash talked...LMAO at tobi acting to get hurt |
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I am a bit confused how he thinks he's going to take on Itachi now since he mentioned to Karin that Oro. was stronger, but in a weakened state, which means that he must still think Itachi is still way out of his league...maybe he wants to commit suicide... |
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- Lee is a taijutsu genius, his gate opening is a suicide attack as it was stated that it damages his body and leaves him in a very weak state after using - we talk about Yamato, it's clear Yamato is not a taijutsu specialist like Gai or Lee. He has his own very special powers, and speed was never mentioned being one of his powers. |
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I don't even know why this is an argument. Look at the way Sasuke fight pre-timeskip by using long range jutsus or a lion combo finisher when he catches the foe offguard to how he tries to overwhelm everyone with his speed and barrage of attacks post-timeskip. Even Sasuke's summoning is extremely fast now...
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^ in my whole post if you read it I mentioned that we're not sure if his speed is greater than Lee's post-timeskip, besides we don't know if Lee's speed has grown or not...we just know that he's really fast.
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As for Yamato I'm just saying we don't know enough about him to make a clear referance of speed. Personally I agree that Sasuke is prob. one of the fastest characters in the Naruto Universe. Last edited by tkdtiger; 2007-12-03 at 20:27. |
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^about that round house kick nah...I'm not Chuck Norris :P
Well anyways I was only saying alot is left to interpretation...I'm still waiting to see what these confrontations will bring to the story thus far. You have Tobi confronting Naruto's team and Itachi letting Sasuke confront him. I still wonder if Kishimoto planned to have all three eyes in this arc...i.e. Sasuke, Hinata, and Rinnegan or if it was just done as a coincidence... |
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I'm going to allow the speculations about Sasuke's current strength level related to Itachi's considering the current plot but if it degenerates into a sordid Vs. thread mess it will be quickly closed. Note this : you are not required to reply to this thread if you do not have something useful to say.
This will be the only warning, if I have to ban people over pointless answers then so be it. To be clear : the "lol X will win" kind of answer is pointless and will be deleted. Last edited by Hunter; 2007-12-04 at 10:23. |
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