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I agree that Alto starts by describing himself adrift. His words carry on (let me know if this conflicts with your subs) :- "And Then ... I met Her, I chose to join SMS to protect her, to fight, to protect. Even Since then ...." He trails off at "ever since then ..." implying that he has been doing the same thing he just described up to a time near the present, which in itself implies a love for Ranka. After klan speaks, Alto continues "It's true I might've been running away this whole time" (family past?) "Pretending NOT TO NOTICE a lot of things" (my reading = pretending not to notice Sheryl's advances for Ranka's sake - as he speaks these words you actually SEE Sheryl for the first time in the scene - a DEAD GIVEAWAY, these guys love visual cues) He goes on "But ... that's over NOW. It's a puny world that could be destroyed by the slightest imbalance ..." This statement about Frontier is only true after Frontier was heavily damaged by the recent Vajra outbreak. He is describing a sudden change in his outlook, not a gradual transformation. Ranka's departure obviously triggered the change. What he's saying here in regards to the relationships is that he was deliberately "not noticing" Sheryl because he wanted Ranka. If he didn't see a romantic future with Ranka previously he'd have no reason to pretend to "not notice" the other girl (whom he must have liked as well) "but ... that's over now" implies 1-get with Sheryl("notice" her), and 2-No Ranka around, but ship is almost destroyed - new thing to fight for. 3- no more running away, accept the past My verdict : Alto is saying He and Ranka are OVER (but he did LOVE her). And now he can NOTICE the thing he was PRETENDING not to - Sheryl. Last edited by user112168; 2010-09-28 at 13:21. |
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Your reasoning is only true if we consider Alto to have feelings for Ranka, and Ranka alone - and simply "not noticing" Sheryl's advances, which leaves us with his seeming utterly dense and oblivious, even more so than if he didn't "notice" either girl's feelings.
Obviously, lots of people disagree with that statement (me included), so...
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I think his line "pretending not to notice a lot of things" doesn't have anything to do with the girls. It's more like his responsibility to Frontier as a soldier since all this time he's been fighting all along for Ranka, and now that Frontier is in whack, he can't ignore it. Just my two cents. (that's worth a million)
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No he said "pretend not to notice" he was trying not to hurt their feelings, not being dense. Pretending something is a deliberate action. There's probably a dozen chances he could've got with Sheryl but didn't - this is Alto explaining he's hasn't actually been dense the whole time - he knew what was going on but acted like he didn't (see all the times michel wonders/says of Alto stuff like "god your dense" - always in relation to him apparently not noticing how much Ranka or Sheryl liked him - AND Alto was the SUPERB actor after all) And it implies he loved both girls (why pretend not to notice advances from someone you don't like? just tell them off) Last edited by user112168; 2010-09-28 at 13:49. |
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And that damage to Frontier was all new - not something he was previously ignoring. He never ignored Frontier anyway - always did his duty. The need to "pretend not to notice" in itself implies he loved Sheryl TOO (which gradually increased). If he didn't, then he would've just told her to buzz off right at the start, he wouldn't have needed to pretend. You only pretend to ignore someones advances when you actually really want them, but feel you can't have them for whatever reason (i.e. already feel committed to someone else) Last edited by user112168; 2010-09-28 at 13:23. |
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And Brera is Ranka's brother he already the ability to communicate with others because of his genes. Also where do you get the idea that Brera had fold quartz implants, he's a cyborg he has machinery in there. Again Brera is Ranka's brother by blood so him being able to communicate through fold waves makes sense, however Alto does not have the ability, therefore your examples fail. |
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When Alto begins reminiscing, we see why he left home (and ran away from his past.) His dream or his love for the sky is what drove him to become a pilot. In this flashback scene we see Alto's mother combing his hair and if we go back to episode 19 (the 12 minute mark to be exact,) Yasaburo had an interesting conversation with Sheryl in which he labeled that exact flashback scene as a "scene full of love." Which follows flashbacks of Ranka. Interestingly enough, if you look at episode 13 (around 5:35 and on) we see an identical scene to the one I just mentioned, except in this case it's Ranka combing Alto's hair this time. Yes, I'm well aware that this is a bit of a stretch but my shipper side felt like mentioning this They could have simply put this scene as a flashback in Alto's conversation with Klan although they could have been trying to avoid a resolution to the Love Triangle Quote:
Also reeyanoob brings up a pretty good question. How was Alto able to communicate with Ranka and Sheryl at the same time after Ranka revived Sheryl? By process of elimination one can come to the conclusion that the earring allowed Alto to communicate with Sheryl and Ranka.
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How can citing the event as shown on screen 'fail'? For the record it's ep 25 (12:00) clearly Alto is being received by the other two. Last edited by user112168; 2010-09-28 at 15:27. |
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And in the whole context of his speech, going rah-rah over protecting everyone on Frontier, it could also very well mean that he ignored his love for Frontier until now, only seeing it as a barrier to his desire to fly freely. Not every single scene needs to be about the romantic triangle. Sheryl appearing at just that point could in that case simply be attributed to it being the perfect time for her to misunderstand what Alto was going on about. Quote:
Yeah, after Ranka left and didn't need to be protected anymore, he had the liberty to re-focus himself towards Sheryl and Frontier as a whole. So in that sense you are right. But in the sense that he only noticed Macross vulnerability and the need for decisive action, including killing Ranka if necessary, because of Rankas departure is patently wrong. Quote:
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1.Under water, part of an acting... But give quite damage to alto Sheryl kiss count : 1. In an island, a sudden jelousy kiss..looks like kidding... but cute kiss..." 2. In the room a victory kiss... A kiss that may start a sex scene.. 3. In sheryl makeup room... A bold kiss .. But one sided kiss... Sheryl won 2-3 steps ahed of ranka...in the tv series... But how about in 2nd movie? From the poster we can see that ranka is the main chara.. So I have a feeling that she will make a comeback! She said to sheryl in ep 25 that she won't lose in love and career... It seems that in 2nd movie ... It will revolved more in ranka effort on her carrer and love... And there will only 1 winner in carrer and 1 winner in love... Both ranka and sheryl has to choose... Between carrer or love...! While alto don't want both to give up their carrer just for love... So it will be a complicated triangle love.. But If I have to bet... I think the winner in love is ranka... While the winner in carrer is sheryl... Why? Simple...! Because sheryl is a pro... A pro never give up in carrer or her fan... "Watashiwa sheriru nome" she always said it right? That means she has a principle and main Gol Not like ranka who is an amateur singer, who only think alien + alto + and her bro in her head... Too many distraction... She will have a hard time on her carrer... Just my opinion...hehe... But I feel more like it if alto dump sheryl... Because ... She is mine hahaha |
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She was willing to give up being a star before in the TV series and when she made her come-back, it wasn't for being a star or having a career.
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You were disputing this, I gave you relevant scenes which corroborate each other. Quote:
We know that Ranka's mother had the V-type infection when Ranka was conceived, but that's all. Brera could have the v-type, but he doesn't seem to have the symptoms at all. No lighting up belly, no making earrings flash, etc. His power is definitely closer to Alto's with the earring than to Ranka or Sheryl. Quote:
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But there's still the matter of Grace's fold-quartz implant tech, described in ep 24, 5:00+. This is the basis of her network (the voices you hear with her) and of any tech which interfaces with fold-waves, hence why they want so much of it. Quote:
So logically Brera had one of these implants. After it was damaged in ep 25, he was out of their control, but he would still have the fold-quartz crystal inside his skull. There's no source for him having the v-type infection himself though (his belly never lights up or anything, assuming he had the safe version like Ranka) Quote:
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As I previously stated, by process of elimination we can conclude that Brera never had the infection in the first place.
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What information am I forgetting?[/QUOTE] Many things such as 1) They never said that Brera had fold quartz installed his body just cybernetics 2)Grace used Ranka to control the Vajra because she couldn't do so on her own 3) Alto does not have the ability to produce fold waves 4)They also never said that Grace had fold quartz installed in her body either so I have no idea where you got that from 5)Fold quartz is a rare commodity in the Macross universe there isn't enough to just go passing around like its the holidays 6)Grace and Brera as well as most of Galaxy are cyborgs as in they have cybernetics installed in them, yes their minds included (in the Drama CDs Grace erases her memories of Sheryl growing up so that she would be able to exact her revenge).7) fold quartz does not give you the ability to emit your own fold waves |
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I'm still betting on things staying as they are at series end (my prediction for the movie) Sheryl will want Alto to keep the earring. They all gain this way. Quote:
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Basically, he at least knew each of them liked him, but didn't want to hurt either's feelings, that scenario became irrelevant after Ranka left. Your scenario works, so I guess it's down to opinion on how much Alto loved Ranka here. I'm reading a bit more into Alto's initial attraction to Ranka than you are I think. Quote:
Protecting Frontier could explain the "running away" line, he was always after a sky, with the fragile environment comment related to the bad state of the ship after the attack. Got any scenes that back up another interpretation of the "pretending not to notice" idea other than that it was referring Sheryl and Ranka? We have all the scenes where Alto acts dense to the girls' interests, Michel's comments on the matter, and seeing the girl who is about to receive the benefits of his new-found attention (sheryl) appearing as he says this line. Quote:
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The only person mentioned by name in the conversation is Ranka. Alto goes from their meeting, his vow to protect her, and now, the need to kill her. So, even if Alto has been developing the trait of protectiveness towards MacF over may episodes, this conversation would never have happened at all if she hadn't left like she did. Quote:
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One close-up of Brera's harmonica, zoom up close and note it *looks* like there's a gem of similar colour as Sheryl's earring, at the very top, and the shape is similar too. This shot is from episode 23, just before the 10min mark Now that I look at this it's probably just a lighting issue LOL, other times it just looks like metal, but other times still the top bit seems to be missing(off-model??). This is Macross, so it's not *completely* impossible I'm pretty sure I saw a similar effect in earlier episodes (when I didn't even have ep 23+) so who knows. The harmonica was able to have some power over Ranka btw. Last edited by user112168; 2010-09-29 at 00:34. |
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Ok we'll just say Brera communicated by magic then? Despite the facts 1. Grace's implant and control technology used fold-quartz (ep 24) 2. Grace had plans to stick the control implants in as many human's heads as possible, or kill any human who resisted 3. Brera was a cyborg with implants, and under Graces control, a prime candidate for having a control implant 4. Brera able to receive fold waves from both girls in episode 7 (confirmed to be true in ep 15) 5. Brera able to astral communicate with Ranka, same as Ranka/Sheryl in ep 7, and Alto/Ranka/Sheryl in ep 25. 6. Fold-quartz gives instantaneous transmission - perfect for controlling Brera more effectively. Why wouldn't Grace have used the tech on Brera? or for her link with Macross Galaxy for that matter? Quote:
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