Driving (and discussion concerning driving)

[mg1942]

Man these guys are lucky that they don't have to deal with moose and deer getting in their way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYqY2MNM54&fmt=18

[AMDX1325]

Originally Posted by mg1942

Man these guys are lucky that they don't have to deal of moose and deer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYqY2MNM54&fmt=18

It takes skills and balls, as well as well tuned rides.... yikes, impossible on state side to do

[Superchop]

Originally Posted by AMDX1325

It takes skills and balls, as well as well tuned rides.... yikes, impossible on state side to do

I'll agree to it taking balls...but skills and well tuned rides...not so much

Granted it takes at least some skills to control the cars...but after watching that vid it seems that most of them have more luck then skill.

[AMDX1325]

Originally Posted by Superchop

I'll agree to it taking balls...but skills and well tuned rides...not so much

Granted it takes at least some skills to control the cars...but after watching that vid it seems that most of them have more luck then skill.

a car with stiffened suspension would make drifiting more comfortable to control and right tires too. Drifting like that in the video is really umm tight, no room for mistakes, hence the skills matter. I imagine our Mustang, on that winding tiny japanese spec road, would pull a huge powerslide and roll off the mountain...

[mg1942]

I've never seen anyone with bigger balls than people in Middle-east!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgNlxAAOwz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf_9Go3FAS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROT8lgn0rA&fmt=18

very risky... but props to those guys!

[AMDX1325]

Originally Posted by mg1942

I've never seen anyone with bigger balls than people in Middle-east!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgNlxAAOwz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf_9Go3FAS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROT8lgn0rA&fmt=18

props to those guys!

They're suiciding, I always see them on youtube driving accords "sliding" back and forth while doing like 80 miles an hour on an open road with audiences standing in the middle of the road waiting to be hit.

Props to their motorsport ethusiasm tho. Maybe one day sliding sedans will become a real competition, xD

[Superchop]

Originally Posted by AMDX1325

a car with stiffened suspension would make drifiting more comfortable to control and right tires too. Drifting like that in the video is really umm tight, no room for mistakes, hence the skills matter. I imagine our Mustang, on that winding tiny japanese spec road, would pull a huge powerslide and roll off the mountain...

Well, if you give the mustang some stiffer suspension upgrades and some proper tires I don't see why it couldn't hang with any of the cars in that vid.

But I still stand by what i said...I still think that some of those kids have more luck then skill...also it doesn't help that they probably know that mountain road like the back of their hands so it's really no surprise that the vid we see is them doing great. I'm sure ALL of them had their fair share of accidents on that road. Lol, especially the zip tie kid.

[AMDX1325]

Originally Posted by Superchop

Well, if you give the mustang some stiffer suspension upgrades and some proper tires I don't see why it couldn't hang with any of the cars in that vid.

But I still stand by what i said...I still think that some of those kids have more luck then skill...also it doesn't help that they probably know that mountain road like the back of their hands so it's really no surprise that the vid we see is them doing great. I'm sure ALL of them had their fair share of accidents on that road. Lol, especially the zip tie kid.

I do agree

[mg1942]

Rear solid axle in mustangs must be removed 1st. This is Mustang's weakest link.

Then go to Rousch, Shelby, and Saleen tuners.

[MidnightViper88]

Originally Posted by mg1942

Rear solid axle in mustangs must be removed 1st. This is Mustang's weakest link.

Yeah, that's why an FR500C won it's first Grand Am race running that "weak" rear solid axle...

Yes, there are benefits and trade-offs between the GT's regular rear solid axle and something like the SVT Cobra's IRS, but that doesn't mean a rear solid axle is incapable of potential with some modifications and engineering; The only people that wouldn't think so are those still stuck in a 1980s technological mindset or are just arrogant...

I strongly emphasize against those with both an antiquated and arrogant mindset...For a little 101, here's a quick run-down by a Nov. 2004 issue of Motor Trend on the S-197 Mustang's rear axle, showing that it isn't just a normal same-old rear axle, but that Ford engineers have actually changed and improved on the geometric design to make it more efficient... (Mag scan in spoiler for size)

Spoiler for Motor Trend scan on Mustang rear axle:

[Phantom-Takaya]

Originally Posted by Superchop

I'll agree to it taking balls...but skills and well tuned rides...not so much

Granted it takes at least some skills to control the cars...but after watching that vid it seems that most of them have more luck then skill.

You'd be surprised how much the typical driver would oversteer or understeer too much or incorrenctly in taking curves at the speeds they did. So, it does take skill to prevent your car from smashing into the walls or guardrails... or worse, flying off the mountain. Hence why in movies and videos, they typically have a disclaimer (whether it's by test or verbally) saying "Do not try this at home."

Granted, the people in the video does not seem exteremely skilled to meet the "professional" standard yet, but they are far more skilled than the typical driver. Their driving had discrepancies here and there, though it was hard to gauge due to the varying cars, but what I've noticed the most was some of them could use some fine tuning (and appeared to be doing so in the video) with their timing and kissing the guardrails/walls, hence their technique. This gives me the impression that maybe they're not 100% sure where the ends of their are from their point of view, which is typical for most drivers.

As for tuning, it's true that it doesn't take ungodly amounts of parts to drift in comparison to say... trying to get ridiculous amounts of speed while going in a straight line, but balancing the car and tuning it until it feels just right when you drive/drift it takes a lot of work. AMDX had the right idea in terms of parts. Stiffened suspension and tires with the right rating and pressure. But they're useless if you don't adjust them just right where the car's weight, suspension and braking power are balanced. The steering wheel also can't be too tight or too loose, which can be a really big factor with understeering or oversteering the car.

Originally Posted by mg1942

I've never seen anyone with bigger balls than people in Middle-east!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgNlxAAOwz4

very risky... but props to those guys!

That video reminds me of the good 'ol high school days with my first car. During the summer, some of my friends would either jump on their bikes and skateboards, or simply jump on the hood, roof and trunk of the car, and hang on for dear life while I hit up to 45mph. Of course, as the driver, I'd always be afraid that I'd end up killing someone if they hit a pebble on the road or something...

Originally Posted by Superchop

Well, if you give the mustang some stiffer suspension upgrades and some proper tires I don't see why it couldn't hang with any of the cars in that vid.

But I still stand by what i said...I still think that some of those kids have more luck then skill...also it doesn't help that they probably know that mountain road like the back of their hands so it's really no surprise that the vid we see is them doing great. I'm sure ALL of them had their fair share of accidents on that road. Lol, especially the zip tie kid.

Though the Mustang will need more than what you stated as I had stated earlier in this post, the Mustang can indeed hang with the other cars in the video.

But, since the Mustang is of different weight, shape and size, it would take someone who not only knows the Mustang very well, but can control the Mustang properly in those situations and has real good reflexes to make it all the down a mountain at the speeds they were going... or greater, whether the driver knows the mountain or not.

And yep, everyone who tries out drifting or any form of racing will be invovled in at least one accident. It's how people learn with what their limits are and what they should brush up on, and the limit of their car and what they should tune/upgrade/etc.

[mg1942]

Mustang fans... must see!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1s9zG0FAqQ

Mustangs can definitely hang with "Europe's finest"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmMA0...eature=related

[Phantom-Takaya]

Top Gear ftw.

Although Top Gear is not always entirely accurate and some of their "reviews" are more of personal opinion, they did bring something up that is quite true. Despite the Mustang being a respectable and fast car, there are other cars that are smaller and slightly underpowered that are able to beat it when it comes to cornering. Of course, those two in the second video were presumably stock, hence tuning and the skill of the drivers will play big factors.

[FLCL]

i hate all domestic cars, asside from a very select group so im going to stay out of this one

you can drive your rustangs to your hearts content..consider me bitter
im actually going to dubai in 2 weeks, hope to see some of those BPU +++ monsters.

i'd pay money to see if any rustang could hang with a STI or Evo on a road racing/togue course. Best motorings viewpoint on the car echos my sentiment perfectly ^_^

[Phantom-Takaya]

Originally Posted by FLCL

i hate all domestic cars, asside from a very select group so im going to stay out of this one

you can drive your rustangs to your hearts content..consider me bitter
im actually going to dubai in 2 weeks, hope to see some of those BPU +++ monsters.

i'd pay money to see if any rustang could hang with a STI or Evo on a road racing/togue course. Best motorings viewpoint on the car echos my sentiment perfectly ^_^

Take pictures and video tape, then shared, dude.

[FLCL]

go t youtube type in best motoring corvette or mustang

see the results.

[AMDX1325]

Originally Posted by Phantom-Takaya

Top Gear ftw.

Although Top Gear is not always entirely accurate and some of their "reviews" are more of personal opinion, they did bring something up that is quite true. Despite the Mustang being a respectable and fast car, there are other cars that are smaller and slightly underpowered that are able to beat it when it comes to cornering. Of course, those two in the second video were presumably stock, hence tuning and the skill of the drivers will play big factors.

Did you know they're making Top Gear America and it supposedly premiere sometimes in November, I'm not having high hopes for it. I will still watch british Top Gear and Fifth Gear

[Superchop]

Originally Posted by Phantom-Takaya

But, since the Mustang is of different weight, shape and size, it would take someone who not only knows the Mustang very well, but can control the Mustang properly in those situations and has real good reflexes to make it all the down a mountain at the speeds they were going... or greater, whether the driver knows the mountain or not.

Lol, if the guy from Fast and the Furios 3 could do it then i'm sure a real pro can too

but joking aside, i agree...for the mustang the driver has to be really experienced to be able to drive the car properly. I'm not a fan of mustangs just for the simple fact that it really only was meant to go fast in a straight line but i do respect that the car has plenty of brute power.

As for the kids, i'm sure they have more skill driving then probably more then half of the people that replied in this thread, but i still don't believe that they're as good as some may claim or that their cars are also as good as some may think just cause they're able to drift and miss the medians by an inch.

Oh, also...about Top Gear USA...Adam Carolla's (from The Man Show) gonna be the main host and i do believe that BBC will have at least some say in what will happen in the show...so it really can't be all that bad.

And also with a rumor i heard about James and Jeremy retiring...the UK Top Gear might end up not being as good as it used to...

[MidnightViper88]

Originally Posted by Superchop

I'm not a fan of mustangs just for the simple fact that it really only was meant to go fast in a straight line

What?

In all actuality, the Mustang was originally designed to be a budget sports-like pony car that could get you style for dirt cheap: Midsize 2-door, long front hood/short rear deck looks, straight-6 engine, $2400 1964-era dollars...Performance didn't come in until people saw more potential than just sticking a 289 in it and calling it sporty...

The Mustang has a long history in more than just drag racing:
∙Mustangs won 1st and 2nd in it's class in the Tour de France international rally in 1964
∙The Shelby GT350R won 5 of 6 divisions in SCCA races between 1965-1966, also winning other races between 1966-1967, also winning Trans Am in 1966 and 1967
∙The Boss 302 raced and won Trans Am in 1970 (In competition with the Camaro Z/28 and Challenger T/A)
∙Mustangs won GTO classes in Daytona 24 in 1985-1986
∙Steve Saleen gained noteriety by winning an SCCA Escort Endurance SSGT race in a personally-modified Mustang in 1987
∙The out-of-the-box FR500 won it's first race in Grand Am in 2005 and continues to race in Grand Am

This among many other countless road racing attempts and wins...

Many tuners have also focused on honing in on the handling side of the Mustang...In-house SVT models focused on improving the chassis and suspension for handling capabilities (See the 2000 SVT Cobra R for best example of a street-legal track car), Steve Saleen gained popularity after racing in SCCA and also modifies Mustangs, Jack Roush raced in NASCAR and also tunes Mustangs for handling, Steeda uses it's experience in track racing to offer many Mustang upgrades including chassis and suspension mods, and so on...

So no, the Mustang isn't just about straight line drag racing, a stereotype that's also false for almost any other pony or muscle car...

[Strahan]

Originally Posted by mg1942

Rear solid axle in mustangs must be removed 1st. This is Mustang's weakest link.

This is a hilarious comment considering how popular and sought-after the Ford 9" rear is