(L) Rosario+Vampire Manga

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Magin

Keep in mind we've only actually seen two out in the sunlight with no protection... but by doing a little digging, it seems that the Shinsos also don't need blood to survive... though I'm sure it's a tasty snack, as Moka has demonstrated more than once. They also seem to not be weak to the classic stuff... come to think of it, Tsukune's sorta closer to being a shinso than Moka, since Moka has the weakness to water... maybe it's because of the half contributed by Issa? And Tsukune naturally has lack of it because he was human to begin with

don't forget that kokoa isn't related to a Shinso

[Magin]

*watches that theory die* aw... and I was fond of it too. Anyways, the bottom line is that in general, Shinso are simply a more uber version of the classic vampire... not saying this may be entirely true for this series, but that's essentially the definition

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Magin

*watches that theory die* aw... and I was fond of it too. Anyways, the bottom line is that in general, Shinso are simply a more uber version of the classic vampire... not saying this may be entirely true for this series, but that's essentially the definition

nothing really "uber" about Kokoa in terms of abilities. lol. She's seems like an average vampire in terms of skill. LOL! Then again being surrounded by such over powered sisters it's hard to tell.

[Magin]

as was pointed out, Kokoa isn't of the shinso line, which is why my earlier statement of shinso vampires not being weak to sunlight doesn't work

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Magin

as was pointed out, Kokoa isn't of the shinso line, which is why my earlier statement of shinso vampires not being weak to sunlight doesn't work

i know, i was the one who pointed it out LOL!

[kenjiharima]

I remember a horror film before where vampires can walk at sunlight...

[zibi88]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

I remember a horror film before where vampires can walk at sunlight...

vampirs that can walk durring daylight are called "daywalkers" but in rosario vampire this kinda disappeared... that most of the weakeneses are human made imagination... water doesnt kill a vampire... but only weakenes them the same with crosses........it cancels their source of power.....

[Chris38]

Well what I wonder about right now is that ...

Spoiler for Chapter 31 spoiler's :

With Akasha being a Shinso vampire it's very possible that Moka is considered as a Shinso vampire as well ... I know that she's actually a mixture of a normal vampire blood (from Issa ) and the blood of a true ancestor ( Akasha ), and e still don't know the results of mixing Shinso vampire blood and normal vampirre blood, but I think that we can definitely agree that Moka isn't an average vampire at this point, and since the blood of a Shinso vampire is probably far more superior then the blood of a normal vampire, I think that her Shinso vampire blood that Moka has got from her mother became the dominant source of her vampire abilities, making Moka far superior then an ordinary vampire though since she has the blood of a normal vampire as well, Moka is probably weaker then Akasha who has only Shinso vampire blood in her veins.

So given that pieces of information, what this exactly makes Tsukune into ... since he has been injected with a large amount of Shiinso vampire blood ... which means that Tsukune has already gained what Akuha currently wants to take from Akasha, and that is the power and strength of a true ancestor, though given that Tsukune was a normal human at the beginning of this story.

But taking everything that has been raveled to us I can't help it but wonder what actually Tsukune became after getting injected with such highly potent blood, since I doubt we can still consider Tsukune as normal human that possesses vampire abilities as well, since with Shinso blood in his veins I think that once Tsukune learns to control his abilities a little more, I think he could easily surpass a normal vampire 's strength.

[HayashiTakara]

I feel bad for Kokoa she's so adorable, but so weak... she has to rely on her familiar in combat D8

Anyway, this new chapter is so full of new and important information that it's almost a complete overload... I don't even know where to begin

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

I feel bad for Kokoa she's so adorable, but so weak... she has to rely on her familiar in combat D8

Anyway, this new chapter is so full of new and important information that it's almost a complete overload... I don't even know where to begin

Well that's true, it changes many things that we took for granted before as well as fills many holes that where unexplained before such as the reason why Moka is considered special among her siblings.

I doubt we will have a perfect understanding of what this chapter actually brings to the story, until the TL comes up, but even now I like how the plot of the R+V manga is developing.

Regarding Kokoa ... I think that's the result of having such powerful siblings around her, which don't give her opportunities to shine. I think that at this point Kokoa is the only one of Moka's sister's that is the closest to the level that a normal vampire has, when he is close to Kokoa's age. So she probably still needs time before she will reach her full potential, but even by then I think that she will still be the weakest one out of all her siblings.

[Magin]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

i know, i was the one who pointed it out LOL!

3 AM EDT is not a time when I pay attention to certain details...

and regarding Tsukune, his status, though we know more about it at this point, is really the same- he's still a human-vampire hybrid (I believe the term is dhampir) whose actual full power and abilities have yet to be explored... hey, come to think of it, isn't that kinda like Moka as well?

interestingly enough, wikipedia said that Tsukune could physically be stronger than Moka... either that's referring to Moka in her Outer form, or its more proof that you have to take what Wiki says with a grain of salt...

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Magin

3 AM EDT is not a time when I pay attention to certain details...

and regarding Tsukune, his status, though we know more about it at this point, is really the same- he's still a human-vampire hybrid (I believe the term is dhampir) whose actual full power and abilities have yet to be explored... hey, come to think of it, isn't that kinda like Moka as well?

interestingly enough, wikipedia said that Tsukune could physically be stronger than Moka... either that's referring to Moka in her Outer form, or its more proof that you have to take what Wiki says with a grain of salt...

i think physically wise Tsukune is stronger than Moka but when it comes to speed and technique he is FAR outclassed which is why he always loses. Power is nothing if you can't hit anything. and honestly speaking I'm not sure Tsukune would ever have the heart to go all out against Moka.

[FriedRice84]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

i think physically wise Tsukune is stronger than Moka but when it comes to speed and technique he is FAR outclassed which is why he always loses. Power is nothing if you can't hit anything. and honestly speaking I'm not sure Tsukune would ever have the heart to go all out against Moka.

This is probably the case. Tsukune one-hit-KO'ed Midou as a Ghoul while Moka tried at least three times to put him down. This is also taking into account that all of Moka's strikes were to the head. They're kill strikes, albeit they didn't cause any noticeable harm to Midou.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

i think physically wise Tsukune is stronger than Moka but when it comes to speed and technique he is FAR outclassed which is why he always loses. Power is nothing if you can't hit anything. and honestly speaking I'm not sure Tsukune would ever have the heart to go all out against Moka.

I'd say Tsukune is on PAR with speed, there has been numerous times where we see his insane eye blinking speed. He just lack technique (which he has started to improve upon). Moka has been training to fight since childhood so it's only right that she's far above him in this respect. And generally speaking Technique > Strength.

Originally Posted by FriedRice84

This is probably the case. Tsukune one-hit-KO'ed Midou as a Ghoul while Moka tried at least three times to put him down. This is also taking into account that all of Moka's strikes were to the head. They're kill strikes, albeit they didn't cause any noticeable harm to Midou.

Took the words out of my mouth. Zerk Tsukune OHKO'd him where Moka failed with two/three head straight on headshots.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Magin

Spoiler for snip:

3 AM EDT is not a time when I pay attention to certain details...

and regarding Tsukune, his status, though we know more about it at this point, is really the same- he's still a human-vampire hybrid (I believe the term is dhampir) whose actual full power and abilities have yet to be explored... hey, come to think of it, isn't that kinda like Moka as well?

interestingly enough, wikipedia said that Tsukune could physically be stronger than Moka... either that's referring to Moka in her Outer form, or its more proof that you have to take what Wiki says with a grain of salt...

Well that's true Magin, but since we know that Moka's vampire blood is probably far more superior then we previously suspected ... it might be that our previous speculations regarding Tsukune's form might be inaccurate, but since the Headmaster is one of Akasha's comrades in arms ... wait, I seem to be rambling a little so let's take it one at a time:

Spoiler for Chapter 31:

1.) First of all, based on what we know about chapter 31 so far, we know that Akasha, Moka's mother is a true ancestor (Shinso ) vampire ... which is probably a more powerful version of an ordinary vampire ... though at this point we still don't know, what's so different about Shinso vampires ... anyway I'm almost certain that Moka has inherited a large amount of Akasha's Shinso vampire abilities and power ... but I doubt that Moka is a Shinso vampire as well, since she has inherited the normal blood of a vampire from her father Issa, which probably made Moka a little weakear compared to a pure Shinso vampire, but still significantly more powerful then an ordinary vampire.

2.) I believe that the blood of a Shinso vampire is probably far more potent then the blood of an ordinary vampire ... and as you probably remember Magin, it has already been mentioned that blood is the source of a vampire's strength. (Rosario + Vampire Season I, chapter 10, page 33)

In Moka's case, since she is a "mixture" between a Shinso vampire and an ordinary vampire ... I believe that her blood is far less potent then the blood of a Shinso vampire, but still significantly stronger then the blood of an ordinary vampire.

3.) So taking that into consideration how do you think a normal ordinary humans body is going to take being injected with such potent blood. Even if Tsukune took small doses of Moka's vampire blood with some time passed between the next doses of Moka's blood being injected ... I think that Tsukune's body still needed time to digest the vampire blood that has been injected into Tsukune so far ... and while Moka's vampire blood has been still circling around Tsukune's veins ... and while it was inside his body ... don't you think that such potent blood could easily change Tsukune's body without him noticing it, before it became too late and the side effects of having too much vampire blood injected into his body.

4.) While I doubt that just having Shinso vampire blood mixed with the blood of a normal vampire is going to turn Tsukune into a vampire, because for example he still isn't affected by typical vampire weakness, I think we can't consider Tsukune as a normal human - vampire hybrid anymore

[Tempest35]

Moka's almost never struck to kill someone (the closest one being Ghoul Tsukune and Kahula). She's always gone for the knock out rather than the kill. As hard as she kicked Kahula during their battle, you think that she couldn't have decapitated Midou with that same level of power?

[HayashiTakara]

Moka uses her hands when she attempts for a kill strike that's the biggest difference. Kicks are more like a blunt strike, when she uses her hands it's like knives.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Moka uses her hands when she attempts for a kill strike that's the biggest difference. Kicks are more like a blunt strike, when she uses her hands it's like knives.

You seemed to forget Hayashi the move that Moka made during her fight with Kahula ... she kicked her with enough strength to break her internal organs.

So based upon that ... I doubt Moka is only using hands when she is attempting to kill someone. I think that if she puts enough youkai energy into her attacks, she can kill anything no matter what her attack is (a punch, kick or some other martial technique ).

Spoiler for Chaper 31:

I found a review of chapter 31 made by someone, if you want to look it's located here: http://bigt1987.blogspot.com/2010/06...ire-ii-31.html

I don't know how accurate it is ... but it seems to clarify most of the things that happen in chapter 31.

[shaselai]

Spoiler for 31:

Seems akasha is pretty confident that she can take on akuha - i guess thats why she didn't tell her husband about it and decided to "lure" akuha for one on one fight. So it is a given that Akuha did not surprise Akasha for an "easy win" so I think what did Akasha in (or made her "disappear") is when Moka decides to go back to the house to get her cross. Moka will likely become hostage and akasha gets beat because of that.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Chris38

You seemed to forget Hayashi the move that Moka made during her fight with Kahula ... she kicked her with enough strength to break her internal organs.

So based upon that ... I doubt Moka is only using hands when she is attempting to kill someone. I think that if she puts enough youkai energy into her attacks, she can kill anything no matter what her attack is (a punch, kick or some other martial technique ).

Spoiler for Chaper 31:

I found a review of chapter 31 made by someone, if you want to look it's located here: http://bigt1987.blogspot.com/2010/06...ire-ii-31.html

I don't know how accurate it is ... but it seems to clarify most of the things that happen in chapter 31.

Well I think that much can be true, considering that vampires are known for their youki manipulation. The attack Moka did to Karua was an extremely focused attack. It's quite possibly the only time we've ever Moka performed an actual sure-kill youki controlled attack.