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Old 2006-10-18, 10:31   Link #41
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Then do ya think that a Meritocracy type government would be the best then?

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Meritocracy -is a system of government or other organization based on demonstrated ability (merit) and talent rather than by wealth, family connections, class privilege, cronyism or other historical determinants of social position and political power.

The word "meritocracy" is now often used to describe a type of society where wealth, position, and social status are in part assigned through competition or demonstrated talent and competence, on the assumption that positions of trust, responsibility and social prestige should be earned, not inherited or assigned on arbitrary quotas. Meritocracy is used to describe competitive societies, that accept large inequalities of income, wealth and status amongst the population as a function of perceived talent, merit, competence, motivation and effort. Meritocracies reject the ideology of equality whilst embracing the doctrine of equal opportunity.


The word kings and queens would be a thing of the past, social power comes from your ability to exceeds the need of others and your accomplishments is the result of competition you win. (Gladiatiors and the days of Rome, even though they were peasants).
Sounds good in principle, but doesn't account for the fact that people might want to leave their kids a nice inheritance.

I don't think Paris Hilton deserves to have the amount of money she does, but who am I to say that her parents can't give it to her?

Or an upper-class family leaving their child a house.
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Old 2006-10-18, 11:11   Link #42
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Lets agree with oyu, and lets make an observation about entertainers, do they deserve to be paid that much????? YES THEY DO. Im a Jealous that they win that huge amount of Money???? Yes I Am.

Why they deserve what they are paid? Because The ones that Pay them earn 20 times more than what this athletes is paid (and that’s an under-statement), in comparison, if You are one of the 4 Employees of Company A, and this company has a annual Income of 20 Million dollars clean, Will you feel constable earning just 10,000 dollars per year? When you already have a PHD in Harvard???? NO you will not, and you will ask for more money or go to another company that will pay you more.

So, Does Alex Rodriguez feel counftable that Seatle is only paying him 5 Million, when he is one of the best, and many others are paid double?? What will he do? He will go to a team that will pay him more.

In short, this Sky high Salaries are product of one and only thing, Capitalism, They will always be those who will be poor, they will be those who will be rich, there will be those who will be filthy rich, that people begin to feel jealous about those who had a lot, its normal, its Human nature.

And the good part about it is that entertainers are like that because they won their way trough it, rather than because is was a gift from an abstract being:

Tom Hanks can ask a lot of money for working in a movie because he has earned that, as He is an Actor that can win you an Oscar. He is an Actor that can make your movie be a blockbuster film.


Now who does not deserves to be rich? The guy who married Britney spear…He is not only Rich now…he is banging Britney Spear, that should had been me, not Him.
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Old 2006-10-18, 14:29   Link #43
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On that note, Clinton for prez! Hillary, that is!
If there's one thing that guarantees that the Dems don't win in 2008 it's choosing Hillary as the Candidate, I would waste my vote on Nader rather than vote for Hillary.
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Old 2006-10-18, 20:47   Link #44
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I feel safer with the wife of Bill Clinton, the best president in recent history, than anyone else.
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Old 2006-10-19, 21:23   Link #45
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If there's one thing that guarantees that the Dems don't win in 2008 it's choosing Hillary as the Candidate, I would waste my vote on Nader rather than vote for Hillary.
Not necessarily.

Depends on who the Republicans are fielding.
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Old 2006-10-19, 21:53   Link #46
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Lets agree with oyu, and lets make an observation about entertainers, do they deserve to be paid that much????? YES THEY DO. Im a Jealous that they win that huge amount of Money???? Yes I Am.

Why they deserve what they are paid? Because The ones that Pay them earn 20 times more than what this athletes is paid (and that’s an under-statement), in comparison, if You are one of the 4 Employees of Company A, and this company has a annual Income of 20 Million dollars clean, Will you feel constable earning just 10,000 dollars per year? When you already have a PHD in Harvard???? NO you will not, and you will ask for more money or go to another company that will pay you more.

So, Does Alex Rodriguez feel counftable that Seatle is only paying him 5 Million, when he is one of the best, and many others are paid double?? What will he do? He will go to a team that will pay him more.

In short, this Sky high Salaries are product of one and only thing, Capitalism, They will always be those who will be poor, they will be those who will be rich, there will be those who will be filthy rich, that people begin to feel jealous about those who had a lot, its normal, its Human nature.

And the good part about it is that entertainers are like that because they won their way trough it, rather than because is was a gift from an abstract being:

Tom Hanks can ask a lot of money for working in a movie because he has earned that, as He is an Actor that can win you an Oscar. He is an Actor that can make your movie be a blockbuster film.


Now who does not deserves to be rich? The guy who married Britney spear…He is not only Rich now…he is banging Britney Spear, that should had been me, not Him.
I didn't think about the person who is paying them ^_^.
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Old 2006-10-19, 22:10   Link #47
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I feel safer with the wife of Bill Clinton, the best president in recent history, than anyone else.
Whoa...this thread really got off track. I guess I better read back and figure out how we got here.
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Old 2007-01-30, 22:41   Link #48
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You're going to hate me for saying this, but I'm not shedding any tears. When you're so filthy stinking rich in a profession in which you "get to retire and play with your six year old child" while everyone else is barely getting a good-paying position (if that), and on top of that, you decide to spend a ton of cash on learning to fly (of all things), when most people would never even DREAM of having such an expensive hobby, and on top of that, you go flying around in a city filled with HIGH-RISES, well...frankly, I really can't feel sorry for that. If an actor/actress or athlete dies from an accident at something so expensive that no normal person can afford it, that's not so much tragic as it is KARMIC.
lol i couldnt agree more... i mean accidents are accidents but the number of people who can die from flying their own personal jet have got to be on some specialised list of the super rich... its not something that can happen to an everyday average person..
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Old 2007-04-16, 12:42   Link #49
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VA Tech Shooting

Did you guys hear about the VA Tech shooting that happened today? Over 30+ died and dozens injured from one gunman. It's the worst mass shooting and school shooting that ever happened in US history.

My prayers go with the victims, victims families and the ones who experienced it.

http://www.foxnews.com/

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Old 2007-04-16, 13:22   Link #50
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Unbelievable tragedy. Still can't believe this happened. I have a bunch of friends that go to that school. Thank God they're all fine. Thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families.
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Old 2007-04-16, 13:35   Link #51
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It's very, very sad.

Virginia Tech University has a policy prohibiting firearms on campus, even to those licensed to carry them concealed. Though it was already obvious to any one with a brain, IT DID NOT PREVENT THIS VIOLENCE.

What it DID stop, however, was any one else having a weapon with which defending themselves. ONE good person with a gun could have stopped this early--or maybe have stopped it from happening at all. The policy itself very well may have had an effect on even the planning of this tragedy by its perpetrators, since the gunmen knew that all the law and policy abiding students would be unarmed.

A bill to specifically allow the carrying of firearms by students with valid permits died in leglislature in January of last year. I doubt those legislators are proud of the lives lost, but I also doubt that they've even considered that this blood could be on their hands. I'm sure people are trying to spin this in the direction of further restrictions for law abiding citizens.

Please keep all the families and friends of these poor people in your prayers.
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Old 2007-04-16, 13:51   Link #52
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Though I agree with Kyuusai's reasoning .... (if even one person had the means to fight back...)

This whole thing is just seriously demoralizing and was basically a one man terrorist act. 'mad at the world' and no one to stop him.... a suicide bomber in slow motion....

Dammit... just dammit.
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Have they picked a musician/movie/video game to blame all this on yet?
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Old 2007-04-16, 14:09   Link #54
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Have they picked a musician/movie/video game to blame all this on yet?
Several american tv series have recently had "school shootings" and "high anxiety think of the children!" shows to boost ratings during the pathetic ratings sweeps period. Also the "lets kill a character" or "have them take off their clothes!" ploys along with "powerful" or "a very special" episode.

O the lameness.... I'm sure the media idiots will create some connection in their own 'ratings' pursuit.
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The rumor mill that's been running is that the shooter had some sort of fight or caught his girlfriend cheating or something, shot her, then just went crazy. At least this is what my friends at Tech are saying. I'd try and hold off on all the banter about gun control for now, it's just not the time for it.

And even though I know it was created yesterday, I'm still a little appalled at the gun thread on the General thread section.
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Old 2007-04-16, 14:19   Link #56
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A few of my co-workers are Virginia Tech Alum. (I live in Northern Virginia). One of my co-workers used to live in the dorm where the first shooting took place.

Feelings about politics aside, I think we can all agree that this is a tragedy and we should keep those that are victims and their families in our prayers.
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Old 2007-04-16, 14:41   Link #57
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An absolutely horrible situation...

I had heard about the earlier shooting, but I didn't learn about the 32 number until last class period about an hour ago.

I know several kids from my high school who went there. I don't know what I'll do if any of them were victims....

I almost went there, too... >_<

Hoo-ah!
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Old 2007-04-16, 15:25   Link #58
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It's very, very sad.

Virginia Tech University has a policy prohibiting firearms on campus, even to those licensed to carry them concealed. Though it was already obvious to any one with a brain, IT DID NOT PREVENT THIS VIOLENCE.

What it DID stop, however, was any one else having a weapon with which defending themselves. ONE good person with a gun could have stopped this early--or maybe have stopped it from happening at all. The policy itself very well may have had an effect on even the planning of this tragedy by its perpetrators, since the gunmen knew that all the law and policy abiding students would be unarmed.

A bill to specifically allow the carrying of firearms by students with valid permits died in leglislature in January of last year. I doubt those legislators are proud of the lives lost, but I also doubt that they've even considered that this blood could be on their hands. I'm sure people are trying to spin this in the direction of further restrictions for law abiding citizens.
That's the most flawed reasoning I've seen in a while .
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Old 2007-04-16, 15:39   Link #59
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That's the most flawed reasoning I've seen in a while .
He's not ENTIRELY wrong.

Criminals tend not to commit crimes against people they believe to be armed. Burglaries wouldn't go over so hot in an area where quite a few people are NRA members, for example.

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Old 2007-04-16, 15:46   Link #60
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My comments weren't really to raise the issue for debate, but to express my outrage and sorrow for the victims.

I have zero problem debating such issues, but I'm not sure we should do so in this thread, and I think it's probably best saved for another day.
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