2012-01-22, 20:06 | Link #582 |
Labda Prakarsa Nirwikara
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Nah, it's just that the majority of this season is twelvers so I was worried this is also one...which would be terrible since the rest of the season would either be a snoozefest (because all other episodes are also all-talk-and-no-action) or a trainwreck (because they spend the rest trying to cram all the plot).
Still, episode four will probably be the make-or-break for me. It's nice to be eased into the adventure, but even for 26 totals three episodes of prologue is just way too long for my taste. If the synopsis and trailers promises some acts of pira privateering only for the show to fail to deliver, well you can't exactly blame the viewers for going 'this is not what I came for'. Episode four, ladies and gents. Break or make.
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2012-01-22, 20:19 | Link #583 |
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The synopsis was nothing more than "Suddenly Marika is requested to become the Captain" and the trailers just a mix of contents from different volume of the novels (mostly vol 1).
Clearly the intended viewers who have past experiences with the author know what they getting themselves into
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2012-01-22, 21:07 | Link #584 |
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It's not pacing, per se - it's a lack of action in the absence of anything else to replace it. I'm not buying this is a character-driven story, because there's been almost no character development. And if you don't have character development and you don't have fanservice and you don't have comedy, you damn well better have some action. I want something that tells me what kind of show Sato is trying to make.
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2012-01-22, 22:16 | Link #585 | |
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Either way, if the episodes so far portray the manga faithfully (which I'm not convinced since they haven't even bothered to faithfully reproduce the same character designs), then the original writer is simply awful at creating a hook and Satelight's screenwriters should have given more freedom. Literature does not always translate well on the big screen after all. It's not like Satelight can't tell a gripping story. Macross Frontier -Deculture edition- has one of the best first episodes in my opinion, ignoring the rest of the show. If they wanted it to be character-driven instead, Planetes is a good example of how to introduce and develop characters in the first three episodes while in space. Throw me a bone. Any bone. All I can take from more than an hour of exposure is that she will eventually be the captain of a ship, but what will it lead to besides her self-discovery? What drives her beyond "My father who I've never met was a pirate captain so I will be too!" and "Space is cool!"? After an hour I'm still scratching my head and will probably continue to do so for a while. It's not exactly reassuring when the main character has to google 'pirates'. Then there's this mysterious transfer student who's obviously an important character and might serve a role as the main character's rival of sorts, but all I know so far is that she likes parfaits. That is actually her defining character trait! The rest of the cast is more forgettable than Akarin. |
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Even the author knows that his books are not that compatible with Japan current generation of anime . Want me to summarize the novels? Documentary and Explanation: The Books. There are iffy scientific parts, but Miniskirt Space Pirates is sci-fi and is not Passport to the Universe 4 or Mr. Shouwa Rocket Shop 2 No character development? Guess we perceived things differently. Both Marika and Chiaki are "repaired" from their "klutz" character from the novel. And who said character development should be done in 3 episodes? No fanservice? What were those when Marika was changing to her space suit? The time it took to read that part in the novel is shorter than when Lily was chasing her friend across the screen, because there was no sentence describing Marika's body during that scene. And you know how there is no illustration for Odette II in the novel, because there are only descriptions about the looks and movement. I got one fanservice from Kawamori when he designed the ship, and looks differently from what I sketched No comedy? Is that necessary? No action? I don't need that in ep 3 when I know when the actions will come I am serious Quote:
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Hope my post here will help people in considering to drop this anime or not. I'm sure the anime will not follow the novel exactly, but I'm still going to follow it because I'm looking forward to Satou's orginal contents after volume 3, and I'm thankful that Sasamoto's book made it into anime adaptation. It opens possibility for more adaptation from his other books or his colleagues' As an addendum: Current reactions from 2ch regarding the anime - Plain, but thoroughly made - Looking forward to next episode - Let's discuss the bio-suit - I want to stroke Marika's hair <-- Why would you do that - Give me back my "dojikko" Chiaki Yeah, some people are hooked with this plain anime :P
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... ... ... ... ... ... Well thank you for warning me. I guess I won't even have to bother with eps. 4 then. Cheerio.
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2012-01-22, 23:19 | Link #588 | |
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2012-01-22, 23:38 | Link #591 |
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Problem is we're talking about the anime, not the books. I don't care about how is it in the books because adaptation decay can always happens, nor do I care about the authors impressive track record because even the best can sometimes fail.
A good anime adaptation is one that can stand alone on its own merit, not one that goes "trust me, you'll understand if you read the novels!" If the viewer is forced to plow through the original material to appreciate the story, then someone failed at adapting the source. Episode four, folks. If even after that the only defense it can muster is "trust me, it will get better!" then I'm out. World building makes the world rich, but when it's the only thing given focus this becomes the Discovery Channel instead.
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2012-01-22, 23:43 | Link #592 |
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^Satou is following the novel as minimum as possible with some alterations here and there. Or do you want Satou to create new contents for the introduction? Then that is not even an adaptation anymore
And if it helps, just download episode 4 and 5 and watch them in one go
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2012-01-22, 23:55 | Link #593 | |
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Personally, I'm enjoying Moretsu Pirates for what it is on the screen--I liked the first two episodes a lot, and the third episode well enough. If anything, the story seems to be about Marika as she goes from "ordinary teenager" to (presumably) pirate captain. But if you're not enjoying what's on the screen, then it's pointless to say "but if you read the books then you'll know what's really happening or what ought to be there..." or "if you check the summaries than you'll see it gets better..." because it's not the books we're looking at, it's the anime. There have been plenty of perfectly good original novels, manga, and games which had crap anime based on them, and if Tiresias is not enjoying the anime, there's no point in him watching it.
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Aside from some pretty good piloting skills in the simulator, there's nothing about Marika that makes her more "special" than any of the other characters in the show. She's no electronic warfare expert, nor is she experienced in commanding (Jenny Dolittle has that over her), she doesn't have that hardened attitude that Chiaki has and she's not familiar with firearms like her mother. She's rather quite normal. The only thing that stands out about her right now is her level-headedness. |
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Fair enough ... iirc you had similar criticisms regarding Tamayura Hitotose? Nothing wrong with it imo, could be just that you don't like that ... erm ... method of presentation I guess? To me it feels as if I am being slowly immersed in a world and slowly, gradually soaking it all in - maybe something like "world-absorbing" as opposed to "world-building"? World-absorbing being world-building without an obvious something (as you called it) that shows what is trying to be built? With Tamayura Hitotose the "world" itself was so beautiful and gorgeous to me that I was fine with the slow process of immersion and seeing more and more small, slowly unfolding details around me. And perhaps that series came with a default expectation behind its presentation and the beauty itself ... umm ... "numbed" those parts of us that want an element of a "something" that shows us where the story is going? (A little like the Aria trilogy in that sense, maybe?) But in this series of Mouretsu Pirates there is a completely different premise and backdrop associated with it, so the world-absorbing process ... umm ... doesn't "hold water" (sorry, couldn't resist) as well, so the aspect of wanting that "something" comes more intently to the "fore" for some people? Which could lead people to say things like: Quote:
**** In any event I am thoroughly enjoying the slow "world-absorbing" process going on here, although I admittedly have a pre-disposition to greatly enjoying such "methods of presentation". For me it works, and it works fine. Maybe as the eps continue on it will be clearer whether or not the method in these first few eps (of a 26 ep series of course) truly "works" in the overall picture. Anyway - for me ep 3 was absolutely enjoyable. 8/10 vote from me. For now I am really liking the series, and it continues to be my biggest surprise of the year, but I am very curious both what they are going to do with this and where they will take the series. Hopefully the transition will "work" for me (and others)!
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2012-01-23, 02:27 | Link #598 |
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Mouretsu Pirates has gone very incredible,
I had not seen the book yet, the scans are intangible But since the plot is good even though they changed the label Naysayers can kiss my ass. But GE's opinion is easy to see When there is no action past episode three where the crooks should already be in a robbin' spree led by a cute young lass. Red solo cup I fill you up Lets have a party lets have a party I love you red solo cup I lift you up Proceed to party proceed to party Offtopic: Next week: Lady Gaga's .....
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2012-01-23, 02:39 | Link #599 |
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Well I did enjoy episode 1, and episode 2 a little less, and now episode 3 a little less.....
This show's content so far, adaption or not, has just been kind of boring frankly. Way too much time establishing the setting (I love exposition, but useful exposition, literally nothing more has been added to this story these past two episodes, at least not too much). I'm sure the novels have a lot more detail, but an anime does need to stand up on its own. We won't get into the characters heads and find all the little details you'd get form a novel so its the anime's job to give it to us, a more involving experience. There's just got to be more to this story that what we got. Otherwise expect this to turn out mediocre soon, and I had higher hopes than that after episode 1... If she doesn't make her decision to be a pirate soon, this will quickly be a souring experience. And oh god, the pink, the PINK. Did we really need to paint the inside of a space ship that blinding pink? I know it's a heavy female cast, but c'mon. Give the ship some dignity.
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Awww ... I thought it was kinda funny.
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