2008-01-31, 00:29 | Link #61 |
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I wholeheartedly agree with nuay.
I'm somewhat of an otaku. I only really started collecting DVDs last year summer, and I'm counting I have 49 boxsets, just ordered one more boxset coming (Utawarerumono), collecting another one by one (Zegapain), and starting another by February (Kanon). Not to mention buying more at a discount (at least a dozen) in an upcoming convention in may. But people like me are hard to come by even in my area that has a lot of anime fans, much less finding those who's willing to pay those kind of prices (aka. the true otaku). But I think it's as relentless says. They don't really expect to make a killing, just to make up a bit of extra money. I imagine that if all they ever had to do is to make an english cover and a translation, it won't be much of a header in terms of cost. There exists more hardcore otaku than I am in north america (just haven't personally met any yet I suppose), and at those prices they'll still make a bit of money despite it being passed over by the vast majority of anime fans. And I think that's all they're looking forward to (recouping production cost), I guess.
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2008-01-31, 00:50 | Link #64 |
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We'll just have to wait to find out if they do make more this way. It is an interesting experiment. Just keep in mind that based on the fees I've seen for licensing they'll have to sell a lot of DVDs to match the money. Of course, they won't have to sell as many DVDs as the licensor would have had to, but that's when we find out how many customers will adapt to the new price point and how many will just decide to purchase another title for less money.
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2008-01-31, 00:55 | Link #65 | |
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2008-01-31, 01:05 | Link #66 |
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Here you go: The Industry - Costs
Apparently license fees run about $20,000 per episode. At a DVD cost of $40 per 2 episodes that means they'd have to sell at least 1000 DVDs to break even. Of course they'd need to budget for R1 advertising and production costs. But the costs aren't really too bad unless many people feel the price is outrageous. I'm not sure how much advertising would cost and I don't really feel like researching it right now, but I guess they would have to sell a minimum of 1500 DVDs to cover it. Anyone want to look up how much licensors spend on advertising? I know they're pretty close mouthed, but there is probably a mention somewhere.
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2008-01-31, 01:37 | Link #67 | |
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but 20,000 dollars per episode? that's kinda low considering the costs that was made to make that 1 episode. but i dont know... |
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2008-01-31, 02:11 | Link #68 |
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What are they thinking? I could buy every Kanon and Air DvD for the price they want for a 13 episode series.
I enjoy True Tears, but there's no way in hell I'm paying that much. I hope some group still fansubs it. If not, oh well. Bandai Visual will never see a single penny of my money.
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2008-01-31, 02:11 | Link #69 |
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Well, naturally the license fee costs less than the amount needed to make the episode. This is just one of many sources of revenue necessary to recoup that investment. Considering how anime companies in the US are faring lately, I suspect that the fee is already at the limit of the R1 market to recover the sum.
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2008-01-31, 02:20 | Link #70 |
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IIRC , about a month or two ago BV's president state that there are many titles that they can't break even . There is also a rumour that the sale of BV's gun buster dvd combine all 3 volumes is even less than the sale of Rozen maiden volume 1,which is state by Geneon that it was one of their worse selling. True Tears is good anime but it won't appeal to larger audience and now BV make it even more niche with their stupid model. Why can't they just look at how other company ,like MB, did with their sub only release? Why MB can recoup their money while they releases 4-5 sub only episode per disc with only 20$ retail price? I mean why is it so hard to apply the model that already prove to be "work" in the market?
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2008-01-31, 02:31 | Link #71 |
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You're missing an important difference.
Media Blasters gave the low price and sub only treatment to anime that was older or of questionable salability. Those shows had a very low license fee, so they combined that with low production costs by leaving out a dub track, then passed the savings on to the consumer to increase sales. By comparison, True Tears and Shigofumi are being released concurrently in R1 and R2. That's the furthest thing from an old title with questionable salability. They expect these will be hot releases. They're merely leaving off the dub track because they doubt its value and it would slow down the release date. They are counting on the consumer to be so eager to get their hands on them that it will be worth a little extra money.
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2008-01-31, 02:53 | Link #72 | |
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There was an interesting interview with Funi's CEO last week where he made it sound like the advances R1 companies have to pay to license titles are rapidly falling to zero (although I'm sure they still pay a percentage of sales or something):
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2008-01-31, 03:16 | Link #73 |
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He says that the advances are approaching zero. I assume that means the licensor is making a nice percentage off each DVD sold to make up for that low advance... I wonder how it compares in the end...
That is interesting to learn that a dub costs $10K/episode. I suspect that Bandai Visual is not spending that money because dubbing would slow down the release, so it won't count against their costs. If they do dub, that will require them to sell another 500 units.
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2008-01-31, 03:24 | Link #75 | |
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But if you ask me,i rather if they just go for School Days which is much more well-known among the fans for its nice boat f**king bloody ending. Its sure feel weird to see True Tears got licensed by Bandai.I don't think that True Tears is that different compared to the other school romance series like H2O or KimiKiss...even the anime quality is comparably same with other series of the same genre.I'm not sure how they gonna make money from this anime though,since its a new series for this season,beside the game itself is not that well-known among all gamers around the globe. |
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2008-01-31, 06:15 | Link #80 |
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Quite a surprise, True Tears gets a subforum on Animesuki.
The next day it's licensed. o.o! *planning to buy the DVD's EDIT: I just realized how expensive this purchase is, these better be worth it...
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