I want to watch Fate/Stay Night but...

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by NinjaRealist

A lot of you guys are saying the visual novel is better. I did some looking into the visual novel, but I guess I'm weirded out about the fact that it has H Scenes in it with the justification being that characters transmit mana through sex. What the hell? Isn't that an even weirder way to make the characters do out of character things?

I didn't necessarily like the fact that all of the characters in Fate/Zero were prudes, for the most part, who didn't even have implied sex, but this nonetheless rang more true to the characters for me. This makes me wonder if it will ever be possible to make a good aime based off this visual novel that is also honest to the material?

Seconding that the visual novel is better than the anime, though I still watched and somewhat enjoyed the anime. It had a couple nice anime-original scenes, the best one being in episode 14.

I hear you about the H-scenes, this is a strange feature that many japanese visual novels have. Tthe genre was built on R-rated stuff, and it became the standard to the point where many VNs will tack on H-scenes to increase their popularity, even when they don't really seem to fit. The PS2 all-ages version of the VN replaced those scenes with more tame magical rituals. In the end they don't really matter and can be skipped without missing any plot points.

Many fans want to see a new anime of the final F/SN route, because it's the only one that hasn't received any animation so far, because of its ending, and for the grimness that makes it feel much like F/Z at times.

[creb]

Originally Posted by NinjaRealist

Final Reaction to Fate/Stay Night at Episode 12:

Spoiler:

This is a completely different show than Fate/Zero and Saber is basically a completely different character in Fate/Stay Night. I can't even really look at her as the same character from Fate/Zero, her characterization is just that different. Also, the scene where Rin stops in the middle of a fight to hold her skirt down? WTF? Who cares about things like that when they are trying to kill each other. There are so many things like this, but this one stood out to me the most.

It is really not just that the animation is worse. The writing is also much, much worse. And the fight choreography. A lot of you guys are saying the visual novel is better. I did some looking into the visual novel, but I guess I'm weirded out about the fact that it has H Scenes in it with the justification being that characters transmit mana through sex. What the hell? Isn't that an even weirder way to make the characters do out of character things?

I didn't necessarily like the fact that all of the characters in Fate/Zero were prudes, for the most part, who didn't even have implied sex, but this nonetheless rang more true to the characters for me. This makes me wonder if it will ever be possible to make a good aime based off this visual novel that is also honest to the material?

Maybe if they had split this into two separate franchises and made Saber actually be a different character, I would have liked it more but as it stands I think I'm done with the Fate/Stay Night franchise. It seem to be more geared for titillation than serious writing.

/looks at earlier post

I did warn you.

[Laniaka]

Like Jaden said you can just skip the H scenes by fast-forwarding them.

If you are still bothered by them there is a patch somewhere for the PC version that removes all H scenes.

So don't worry about the H scenes too much, they're only a very minor part of the VN.

[dmasterxd]

Originally Posted by NinjaRealist

Final Reaction to Fate/Stay Night at Episode 12:

Spoiler:

This is a completely different show than Fate/Zero and Saber is basically a completely different character in Fate/Stay Night. I can't even really look at her as the same character from Fate/Zero, her characterization is just that different. Also, the scene where Rin stops in the middle of a fight to hold her skirt down? WTF? Who cares about things like that when they are trying to kill each other. There are so many things like this, but this one stood out to me the most.

It is really not just that the animation is worse. The writing is also much, much worse. And the fight choreography. A lot of you guys are saying the visual novel is better. I did some looking into the visual novel, but I guess I'm weirded out about the fact that it has H Scenes in it with the justification being that characters transmit mana through sex. What the hell? Isn't that an even weirder way to make the characters do out of character things?

I didn't necessarily like the fact that all of the characters in Fate/Zero were prudes, for the most part, who didn't even have implied sex, but this nonetheless rang more true to the characters for me. This makes me wonder if it will ever be possible to make a good aime based off this visual novel that is also honest to the material?

Maybe if they had split this into two separate franchises and made Saber actually be a different character, I would have liked it more but as it stands I think I'm done with the Fate/Stay Night franchise. It seem to be more geared for titillation than serious writing.

Yeah that's how Saber's SUPPOSED to be. Zero screwed her character all up and then screwed her up again. Plus keep in mind this is based off an eroge so whether you care about it or not it's gonna be there. Also who cares about zero when most of the characters are pricks? Zero is freaking awful and far inferior to FSN which doesn't feel miserably at trying to be dark lol. FSN > zero

[GreyZone]

You just necroed a 2-year-old thread, you know...

The H-scenes are less than 5% of the content (and can be ommited depending on which translation patch you are using), even the every-day-life cooking scenes have more content.

Also comparing something ufotable produced with something DEEN produced is like comparing the recent Hobbit movies with the soviet Hobbit movie from 1985. But when the new ufotable F/sn starts airing, everyone should notice the difference between those studios.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

Also comparing something ufotable produced with something DEEN produced is like comparing the recent Hobbit movies with the soviet Hobbit movie from 1985. But when the new ufotable F/sn starts airing, everyone should notice the difference between those studios.

Actually, I don’t think it matters whether or not we’re talking about DEEN or UFOtable, as dmasterxd already thinks that “Fate/Zero sucks, F/SN awesome!”. If anything, UFOtable’s upcoming F/SN will only encourage his opinion that “Fate/Zero sucks, F/SN awesome!!!” .

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Actually, I don’t think it matters whether or not we’re talking about DEEN or UFOtable, as dmasterxd already thinks that “Fate/Zero sucks, F/SN awesome!”. If anything, UFOtable’s upcoming F/SN will only encourage his opinion that “Fate/Zero sucks, F/SN awesome!!!” .

That post was not adressed at dmasterxd since that person probably already read the F/sn VN and read/watched Fate/Zero. Instead I used the opportunity to get at least a few of those people who don't want to watch the new anime, because "the 2006 one sux", back on board.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Actually, I don’t think it matters whether or not we’re talking about DEEN or UFOtable, as dmasterxd already thinks that “Fate/Zero sucks, F/SN awesome!”. If anything, UFOtable’s upcoming F/SN will only encourage his opinion that “Fate/Zero sucks, F/SN awesome!!!” .

Oh, I won't be so sure about that. The upcoming Ufotable rendition is going to be Rin's route after all, not Altria's.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Oh, I won't be so sure about that. The upcoming Ufotable rendition is going to be Rin's route after all, not Altria's.

Well, his problem with Zero is that he thinks most of the characters in it are pricks compared to F/SN (whatever iteration he was talking about). So, I don’t think UBW-route by UFOtable will change his stance on “F/SN superiority” compared to Zero .

[dmasterxd]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

You just necroed a 2-year-old thread, you know...

The H-scenes are less than 5% of the content (and can be ommited depending on which translation patch you are using), even the every-day-life cooking scenes have more content.

Also comparing something ufotable produced with something DEEN produced is like comparing the recent Hobbit movies with the soviet Hobbit movie from 1985. But when the new ufotable F/sn starts airing, everyone should notice the difference between those studios.

Yes I already know ufotable's productions are the eqivalent of the 1985 Hobbit movie lol.

[dmasterxd]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Actually, I don’t think it matters whether or not we’re talking about DEEN or UFOtable, as dmasterxd already thinks that “Fate/Zero sucks, F/SN awesome!”. If anything, UFOtable’s upcoming F/SN will only encourage his opinion that “Fate/Zero sucks, F/SN awesome!!!” .

Yeah this did not happen. UBW is complete garbage just like Zero and the route in the VN. I was told ufotable was a good studio... So no it's just Zero and UBW suck. DEEN FSN, Fate route, and HF route are awesome.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by dmasterxd

Yeah this did not happen. UBW is complete garbage just like Zero and the route in the VN. I was told ufotable was a good studio... So no it's just Zero and UBW suck. DEEN FSN, Fate route, and HF route are awesome.

So I was right then :

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

So, I don’t think UBW-route by UFOtable will change his stance on “F/SN superiority” compared to Zero .