2011-02-22, 02:19 | Link #12101 |
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If you want to stop a revolution, the only thing that works, is generating so much fear among the people that they are just glad to be left alone. There is a fine line between a martyr and deterrence, but it defines the outcome of such a revolution. If a regime uses tactics similar to the tactics used by the SS/GeStaPo, chances are they will succeed with their murdering tactics.
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2011-02-22, 05:02 | Link #12102 | ||
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why did Egypt's goverment act (relatively) tamely against the protesters while Libya is killing them by the hundreds ? its because Egypt was dependent on U.S aid, while Libya is not. Quote:
to the point where there is an active discussion about just forgoing the U.S financial support altogether' because it comes with too many strings. if it wasn't for the U.S's manufacturing capabilities, this would seriously be on the table. as it stands, the general sense in Israel is that whenever a new Israeli prime minister is elected, his first task as prime minister is to go to the white house and hand over his balls, because he won't be needing them for the next 4 years. now imagine if you could have that kind of influence on Gaddafi. or Assad, or Ahmadinijad. there is a very good reason why countries with U.S supported dictators are much more likely to have the dictator overthrown while countries like Libya or Syria are not. a western supported dictator has a much shorter leash.
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2011-02-22, 09:17 | Link #12103 |
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Egypt's military to move on cabinet, march expected
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNew...70O3UW20110222
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2011-02-22, 11:30 | Link #12104 | |
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again i said, "Hang all Pirates"
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2011-02-22, 12:11 | Link #12106 | |
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because i'm personally all for it. I say we should bring back the whole "Hostis humani generis" thing back to life.
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2011-02-22, 12:24 | Link #12107 | ||
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Raiding anything bigger than a patrol boat sized craft will add casualties to the list -that point isn't just military doctrine, it is real logic.
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2011-02-22, 12:39 | Link #12109 | |
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And for the ''proactive mesure'' I was more thinking about mesure to take before pirates take a ship.
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2011-02-22, 13:05 | Link #12110 | ||
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A dagger is a weapon with sharp edges on both sides. The Fairburn-Sykes Stiletto is an example of a dagger because it is solely used for combat purposes - the knife used is probably a standard issue with a serrated edge on one end. Quote:
Psychological pressure is under overt action, and probably what the ship crew is doing against the pirates with that many ships. A covert action would be like Maersk and Samho (earlier this year, raided by elements of 707th). Piracy is impossible to prevent. There is no proactive measure as much as pundits (read : retarded over-optimistic dumbasses, they really have ROoDs in their heads) like to believe. Vigilance isn't a proactive measure, it is a requirement. But as Murphy's law dictates, anything can go wrong as long as there is a chance for it to do so. Boarding the ship, in any circumstance no matter how well the boarding party is trained, shit will still happen. Though I am surprised that the VBSS killed the pirate with a dagger instead of bludgeoning him to death with an OC spray. At least the armskote is smart enough not to issue any of them tasers (any naval combat group shouldn't be equipped with tasers, it is totally stupid and impractical due to the environment they operate in).
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2011-02-22, 13:29 | Link #12113 | |
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Although a doctrine I know states "shoot those who are still holding their weapons, capture/incapacitate those who aren't", the rule of "ask first" still overrides that. The problem is that there is no time limit tagged to the latter.
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2011-02-22, 13:29 | Link #12114 | |
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2011-02-22, 13:40 | Link #12115 | |
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2011-02-22, 14:08 | Link #12116 | ||
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if not for that, he'd still be around, and the protesters in Egypt could spend the next six months protesting away. half a million protesters means less then 1% of Egypt population. Quote:
Mubarak wouldn't have ordered the Military to violently crack down on the protesters, as it would negate the whole point of having the military there in the first place. if he wanted to crack down, he would have used the security forces, which was what happened in the first few days. but then, when that didn't work, he changed strategies and police and security forces back and instead called in the army, not to crush the protesters, but to present them with targets they couldn't just attack. a protester attacking police and security forces would have been viewed as perfectly legitimate in the eyes of many in Egypt. a protester who tries attacking a soldier would immediately singled himself out as scum in the eyes of most Egyptians. bringing the army in was a brilliant move from a Machiavellian standpoint, and had the U.S not forced (by threatening to cut off aid) the army to tell Mubarak to go, he would have stayed in power. the absence of such pressure points in Libya, Syria and Iran, is why the leaders of THOSE countries can get away with using much more violent methods against protesters.
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2011-02-22, 14:40 | Link #12117 | |
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2011-02-22, 17:25 | Link #12118 | |
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It might even facilitate the pirates's life as they have to pass themself as fishmens before assaulting a boat, to pass as privateers could be even easier and more practical.
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2011-02-22, 18:17 | Link #12120 | ||
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US support evaporated because he had no real control on the ground. Quote:
Though regardless of all the chest thumping, this really is a complex situation to deal with. I'm not sure that sending in more warships is going to help solve the fundemental problem going on here. That Somalia is completely lawless and that there's no way to prevent pirates from setting sail from there. |
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