2008-07-21, 12:47 | Link #4061 | |
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ok 1)making euphie shoot him was to prevent her from destroying everything he worked for 2)making the spies in ashford ignore him is not the same as making them slaves (and they were not there to be his friends) 3)i already said he uses it as a stratigic weapon (when commanding people is all your weapon can do then thats what you do with it) 4)clovis cornelia and kallen were asked questions (the first two were asked about his moms death and kallen was asked why she fights) and not made to do anything else and none of them remembered it and since someone is sure to equate that to what suzaku almost did with kallen i have a suggestion for you rewatch that scene in ep 15 with suzaku and kallen and then tell me that this scene (especially the part where the camera doesnt show them and all you hear is kallen screaming in progressivly louder tones) doesnt reek of a diffrent sort of action rather then questioning needless to say that him proceeding with it would have made him a complete monster small wonder he stopped
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2008-07-21, 12:50 | Link #4062 |
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Again, failure to read. It doesn't matter what kind of questions are asked, Lelouch manipulated people with his power to his own ends, and whilst he has more control over it, he still uses it for the same purpose in R2.
And...pfff, what? Everything he worked for? Didn't you even pay attention to the subtitles? He wanted Euphemia to shoot him just so that he could become a martyr and that the Japanese populace would sully Euphemia's name, not the opposite. |
2008-07-21, 12:51 | Link #4063 | |
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actually it was either that or he loses the OOBK and everything he worked for and she did it with a few words
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2008-07-21, 13:20 | Link #4064 |
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...Lelouch didn't work towards the SAZ. Euphemia did. And if 'she' was a typo, somehow, that was unintentional and Geass had just permanently activated. Also, in no way was Lelouch even under the threat of losing what he worked towards, or the Order.
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2008-07-21, 13:44 | Link #4066 |
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Both Suzaku and Lulu have made terrible mistakes. That is like a fact.
Suzaku though, he got a reason to hate Lulu. Yes, he might not know exactly the whole truth about the Euphie incident, but what he's got, is enough for him wanting to eliminate Lulu. {same with Lelouch, Suzaku now is not exactly his cup of tea, it's a strong opponent.} And please, last week majority of the fans were like "Suzaku is gonna use the Refrain, he sucks." He does not, "he still sucks, moral ethics blah blah" If you wanna hate him, for the sake of hating him, cool but at least admit it. {and i am a Lulu fan as well for the record, but i'm not gonna close my eyes and justify the massacre that happened on #14 and a lot of other stuff just cause he might seem worse that Suzaku on that epi } |
2008-07-21, 13:56 | Link #4067 | |
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2008-07-21, 14:44 | Link #4069 | |
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might come as a shock to you but i dont hate suzaku at all i just think lulu isnt really as bad a guy as he thinks he is (when has lulu tried to rape kallen , if he did she'd kick his ass)
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2008-07-21, 14:54 | Link #4072 | |
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and thats not what i said i said if he did use it he would be a monster (which he isnt since he didnt ,as per his character portrail up to this point in the story) and i said the scene was too remenicent of a rape scene to ignore and i dont think im the only one who thinks it
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2008-07-21, 15:58 | Link #4074 | |
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Refrain is not a strategic weapon, it is a drug that induces hallucinogenic effects. You have no control over what memories the person recalls and relives nor can you affect the person while he or she is under the affect of the drug as evidence by the users being completely oblivious to a firefight and being swung form the arm of the knightmare. In such a state they cannot be questioned and you are only hoping for a small chance that they recall the memory you want them to. Lelouch's geass on the other hand makes sure that the person is telling the truth as they know it without any unknown factors or much of a side affect other then memory loss unlike refrain. Hate Suzaku? So thinking his stunt with using refrain is stupid and what he is doing is against international law is hating? For the record I do not hate Suzaku either, nor do I have a problem with him using refrain on Kallen if he would stop hiding behind is justifications and just come out and say that he is doing it because he hates Lelouch and can't forgive him rather then give a bull reason. Lelouch has tried to rape Kallen? I am sorry but I laughed at that. Asking for comfort is raping now? He did not restrain her and tried to force himself on her right? He told her to comfort him if she means what she said about following any order, tried to kiss her and she slapped him. Now who is the one making up crap in the hopes of leading to a character doing a horrible thing? |
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2008-07-21, 15:58 | Link #4075 | |
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That scene was just a way to create suspense by making us think something like "ZOMG.. He really did it and now they're letting us wait!" |
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2008-07-21, 16:02 | Link #4076 | |
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also suzaku would never do that if he did he would simply be hurting kallen out of spite whihc would make him even more dispicable than lelouch.
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2008-07-21, 16:04 | Link #4077 |
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Anger made him lose reason, he wanted to just find some outlet for it and using refrain because it has a small chance of getting what he wants and using limiting casualties as justification. In the end his strength of character and his resolve not be like Lelouch won out and he did not do anything.
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2008-07-21, 16:07 | Link #4078 | |
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2008-07-21, 16:12 | Link #4079 |
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The problem wasn't with what Euphie wanted, but with what she was actually providing. Even she knew that it wouldn't be without its difficulties. Lelouch was "hurt" because it made him more vulnerable to Britania. It made it more likely that, not to put too fine a point on it, he and his sister would die at their enemies' hands.
The SAZ wasn't some el dorado where everything would be magically solved. It was a trap. In the end, to spare Euphie's feelings, he agreed to put forth his effort to turn it around and make it real instead of destroying it, but that's what it was. |
2008-07-21, 16:15 | Link #4080 |
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like i said the whole scene was just pointless on suzaku's part
am i glad that he didnt actually drug her becouse he he felt it was what lulu would do yes (it shows he isnt a monster) do i think he deserves to be praised for it not so much all it proves is that he's not that far gone yet that he would stoop to ANYTHING to reach his goals its still wrong it was wrong when he chose to do it it was wrong when he tried to do it and it was wrong when he chose not to do it after all good for him that he's not a monster but he was still willing to do it right up to that point
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